(8) Troll Smash v3.21a

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Orcnet

09:31, 6th July 2013

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Review

Map Approved

Troll Smash (Version 2.20) Rate Score Percent Letter 5/5 91-100 A Rate Score Percent Letter 4/5 81-90% B Rate Score Percent Letter 3/5 75-80% C Rate Score Percent Letter 2/5 70-74% D Rate Score Percent Letter 1/5 50-69% F Overview: Gameplay "The Game play is now smoother and more over well executed now, I like the idea of game modes and such it keeps the replay value on time when players are in need." Terrain "Terrain has improved as well, it now looks more greener and troll inhabitant-looking landscape now." Management "Much of the game has improved, but somehow I would be best if the stone guardian has similar range of 500 since some of the positioned stone guardian has an advantage with the creep camps and incoming players, but still approved with new rating now." Total Score: Rate Score Percent Letter 11/15 87% B

 

[eubz]

Please, leave some comments.

EDIT

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Our forum will be up soon.

 

[-SmaSHeR-]

Nice map 5/5

 

[WolfFarkas]

Nice map 5/5

extrange you didnt review it my friend, i will steal you the first chance

An honor to review one of your maps eubz
my review

good things
-quest explaning the game, 3 diferent modes
-imported material, and well selected
- very interesting heroes, and skills, you want to play it more than once

things i question
1-sharp terrain, and the enviroment can be better.
2-i dont see 12 players playing this very confortable, PVE cant be done confortable and PVP is unavoidable at the very begining.
3-a market for 12 players, i dont think nobody will have time to think, what item will choose.
4-if you want to kill, kill kill without think, is okay, but is like there is a gameplay missing and can be expanded
5- for the hero arenas i played, it was nice to start in a satuary zone to read the skills and have time to buy objets, stuff before go battle
6- talking about skills, i said this like 10 times, i dont like to choose the hero if i cant read the stats and skills before choosing. Here this happens and i will never like ( thats why the tavern system is the best in my opinion)

so for an hero arena, i wont give a 5/5.....

3/5 , i quit one point for terrain and one point for dont be able to read descriptions of heroes before choose , fair enough.... also voting for approval
edit: i low points in things you can fix, the other stuff i will pass it, so im kind

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[BLazeKraze]

Great.

 

[AwzomeWulfzz]

A hero arena, seems pretty nice. I agree with abgm too, the starting locations are too near. And might I question why the forest trolls turn into big abominations made of rock? And it's pretty entertaining. But after awhile, it can become boring. It's a nice little map put into pieces. And, here's my review. 3/5 for you, jolly wulf!

 

[eubz]

3/5 , i quit one point for terrain and one point for dont be able to read descriptions of heroes before choose , fair enough.... also voting for approval

i dont like to choose the hero if i cant read the stats and skills before choosing. Here this happens and i will never like

1. Thanks, I agree on the terrain but that's a minor thing.
2. You can see some description by clicking the circle of power where a hero is standing. (Have you read the text before you play?).

if you want to kill, kill kill without think, is okay, but is like there is a gameplay missing and can be expanded

The gameplay is actually to kill, kill, kill. The players are those who can expand the gameplay. If you try to avoid the fight, that is not the main objective this game has.

for the hero arenas i played, it was nice to start in a satuary zone to read the skills and have time to buy objets, stuff before go battle

In every starting points there are resurrection stone where you can buy preliminary items. Strong items can be found at the center to make the game different from other hero arena maps. Also, this can make any player difficult to win. Not good for those who do not know tactics.

-i dont see 12 players playing this very confortable, PVE cant be done confortable and PVP is unavoidable at the very begining.

the starting locations are too near

This is the main objective of the game. For those who only wants to avoid, the weak, and those who do not know tactics in a small map for 12 players means defeat.

Thanks for the review.

 

[Orcnet]

Map Approved, see review on top

 

[Binsu]

You asked me to review your map so here it is. The thngs I can say now is that this game is just awesome. Looks much much better than the WiP I tested in your thread:

[+] Good Points:
-Good Warcraft-ish terrain feeling, terrain is not flat, tile mixing is fine, is not empty also and filled some areas carefully. But to suggest, dont use Blizzard Cliffs but try learning doing cliffs through Raised Ground and Plateaud ones too. I dont have any grudge into Blizzard Cliffs but I think Raised Ground is much more creative and unique way.
-Lots of heroes to choose from, serving their purpose very well, have some mixes of custom and Warcraft skills. Hero is simple but great to use. I miss this kind of maps.
-Items and Item Recipes are really useful in battle but I think some points are quite too imbalance such as splash damage of Searing Blade is too strong, 100%. Also lifesteal for that Axe is so strong, it add me up 100% of my attack into lifesteal.

[-] Bad Points:
-Creeps are quite easy to play with along, I suggest each time intervals, spawn greater creeps so creeps in the game will not become too repetitve and always level 1 creeps.
-Heroes when reaching Level 5 doesnt gain EXP or XP from creeps but only from heroes.

[] Suggestions:
-No terrain is perfect so this map is always open for terrain improvements but Im not saying its bad.
-You should balance some items such as their lifesteal, splash damages and more...
-Make creeps interesting to play along, Try not making them repetitive
-Fix the thing with the hero not gaining any EXP from creeps upon reaching Level 5. I suggest go to Game Constants and Creep Camp Table I think thats the name and delete the numbers and change it with a single number 100.

Overall, game with a very good terrain, lots of heroes with custom and warcraft skills and they serve their battle role properly, lots of items to choose from and really becomes useful in battle. Overall, rated 4/5 and +4 REP.

 

[eubz]

other places were you can finde trolls are in Zul farrak Tanaris desert, Zul aman ghost lands,
hinterlands forest, zul drak in northrend
but in all cases ruins are the principal enviroment for trolls
of course this is only aplicable for wow.

Yeah, I also have read these in Wow Wiki.

 

[xXxMKDxXx]

Nice map!
5/5


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What happened to some rpg maps developed by you?

 

[sonofjay]

You know eubz, you're one of the better melee mapper on this site and since the terrain is really look like a melee inspired terrain I think you could have done better on the terrain of this map. But meh, I love your simplicity when it comes to gameplay so I'm pretty sure I'll be entertained on this.

 

[eubz]

You are right jay. I haven't started this map using shallow waters so the terrain might be terrific. I am actually planning to redo the cliffs and start all over again using shallow waters then develop everything from that point, so much work for this but I'll do it if I get much time.

 

[WolfFarkas]

Post directed to eubz

better late than never

i want you to tell, im really sorry for my review, i didnt like how i did it, i feel it was negative, not very constructive in many parts and also i mistake in the heroes description
also i regret the rate i did, i never rate fearing mistake and here i made a mistake.

so i beg you to pardon me

also the map is really nice, very fresh idea, really good work and not say this before was a crime as a review-man

 

[Mgeterno11]

My review

This is a great map, has a lot of fun. I like the idea a lot.

Terrain

It is nice, good enough for this map, but a bit sharp, and more doodads, plants, etc are required to make it better.

Heroes

Their models are nice, and fits them perfectly. The spells are also balanced, but i suggest you to import some icons for the custom spells. They will looks better like that.
And they stop receiving EXP after level 5 when they kill creeps. So i think you should fix this in the gameplay constants.

Gameplay

Overall it is good and okay, but i would like to point out some things.

Some creep camps are a bit weak after a while, when the respawn, and the hero is at a higher level. I suggest to fix the respawn, i mean that the creeps are changed to a more powerful one when they respawn.
So it would be balanced: stronger heroes, stronger creeps.

Other things are wel-done, including the hero selection area, and the items. I think the item recipies are cool idea.

Conclusion

I think it is a perfect map, just do the things i have suggested, and it will be even more funny.
I rate it 5/5 + rep

 

[Orcnet]

Map reviewed one more time to user request with new rating as well

 

[Binsu]

Introduction

I see you've done lots of updates an yes I have played ths once again and I must say I have find some new problems which I didnt found at previous ones and also noticeable but I avoided to suggest.

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[tab][tabheader]Good Points:[/tabheader]

• Terrain is really good. It is not flat and well done with the tile mixing. Its simple yet beautiful!
• Lots of items to bought but I wish you should add more and balance them up for they are completely imba.
• I love the new heroes. I think there are 1-2 of them.

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[tab][tabheader]Bad Points:[/tabheader]

• Imbalance items. Some gives far too bonus such as that Axe item that gives too much lifesteal and Heart of Aszune that gives far too stats and Agility even it does require easy to buy items.
• I must say this but I have come to tried more heroes and I must say some are quite imba mostly the Forest Troll and some are quite weak and easy to kill. Mostly you should fix the Forest Troll's skills. It has quite a bonus damage skill that gives far too damage even in Level 1 and also its stun of the 2nd skill is too long. I can even do kill may heroes at once.
• Because of imbalance heroes and items, the game is quite easy to beat so if you dont plan on fixing thr imblanceness, at lest add more option for greater Kills at the start of game to prolong gameplay.

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[tab][tabheader]Suggestions:[/tabheader]

• Fix the issues about imbalance items.
• Fix the issues about imbalance heroes.

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Comment

Overall, the game has an attractive terrain though imbalance-ness in the game is completely noticeable. I will not change the rating but do please fix the pointed things. Thanks!

Ratings: Same
Reward: +4 REP

 

[eubz]

I'll do the balancing of the Forest Troll abilities. Maybe for the items too. Thanks for the new review Hell Master.

 

[Binsu]

No problem, I do feel it needs balancing so I did this. AT first too scared to disappoint you to be honest but got the confidence now. Hope you will balance this up. Best of luck there, eubz!

 

[eubz]

AT first too scared to disappoint you

If the criticism is constructive, that's a good one. For improvement purposes you know.

 

[Binsu]

Well, thanks as I said, best of luck with this. I expect much on this because I do know this has the chance of being a great map to be honest.

 

[Binsu]

Seen the new version and Im so impress. I love the new additions such as new shops and new items. The game has now a perfect mix and balanced items. There is already a starting item present such as the Jade Ring wwhich makes the starting process of the game more fun.

Still same ratings because I do have a strong feeling that this game can be much much better to be worthy of a 5/5. Good luck with this bro!

 

[eubz]

Thank you. I am adding new hero and item in the next version.

 

[Binsu]

Been waiting for a new hero so good luck with it. I wish it will be somehow more uniue compare to others.

What do I mean by unique? Its spells are customized and is not fully base in wc3 but triggered.

And to suggest another thing, I do think its time to change all of the heroes' spells and make them somehow more unique and not being dependent to wc3 skills all the time or simply edited from the original spell but what I mean is purely triggered.

 

[Binsu]

Introduction

Once again, nice new updates and I have see you've focused much now on balancing. And yes, game got quite balance though still some imbalance-ness is left.

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[tab][tabheader]Good Points:[/tabheader]

• Terrain is as I have said, great. The terrain is not flat and also it is filled with proper decors that makes it lively.
• I can see you've added items and they are quite useful. Mostly what I love are the new recipes you've added though I do think it could use some more items that is like complex to build.
• The new heroes are quite good though their skills are quite simple and all wc3 spell based. You could do something about it by triggering some parts in the spell and adding some additions into it.

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[tab][tabheader]Bad Points:[/tabheader]

• The gold gain from killing heroes are quite imbalance and has high values such as I've killed an Computer Insane hero that is level 12 and I got 2.5k gold. Its either you lower the gold gained or higher the item cost because it also affects gameplay thus making it imbalance.
• Some ultimate skills of heroes are quite not useful and some quite imba. Such as the Troll Archer's ulti might be only a AS Boost but it does lot of effect when in late game. Imagine a +200 damage with additional 200% AS. That will be quie undefeatable if you still have lifesteal. I suggest lower up the amount of the AS Boost or lower down the duration of it. 15 secs is too long.

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[tab][tabheader]Suggestions:[/tabheader]

• Could use some balancing in gold gain through hero kills
• Could also use balances in ultimate skills.

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Comment

Overall, it is quite improved and much balance but its really hard to get a perfect rating so rating still remains.

Rating: Same
Reward: +4 REP

 

[taavidude]

this is amazing could you make more like these but with less passive animals(they are all over the place) more heroes but map is sooo good 5/5

 

[eubz]

More heroes will come out soon.

 

[Alireza Evil]

This map is really cool but there are some problems here Hero selecting:The tavern is hard to select and you have to click muplite times so you can select. Kill All Mode:When i was playing this with my freinds on this mode some one died and he was out of the game and the death points where 20 i dont know if it was our fualt in mode selecting but you should fix this AI playing: The AI Players are too weak they die so fast they get some weak items can you improve them? i will be glad if you do that. Creeps:The creeps are too weak you should put some stronger ones can you put a boss with revive? Final Rating: 4/5 this map is great i know you can do better

 

[FUJI]

Sounds Amazing dude and nice Map! I'll test it later when I'm in my PC . +REP for the good job!

 

[eubz]

Kill All Mode:When i was playing this with my freinds on this mode some one died and he was out of the game and the death points where 20 i dont know if it was our fualt in mode selecting

Kill All mode means elimination mode. If you reach the number of death you will be out from the game. Note that the multiboard says ELIMINATED.

The tavern is hard to select and you have to click muplite times so you can select.

Tavern isn't hard to select in my PC.

put some stronger ones can you put a boss with revive?

This will be implemented on the next version.
Thanks for the rating.

 

[xXxMKDxXx]

Have save/load? - joking!
maybe archer wars style ranking,..

6/5 no complains !

Edit2: add more items and recipes!

Edit3: Am on phone, have problems rating the map! below thumbs up icons, as a result i get negative rating of -6/5!! Sry?

 

[Streak]

eubz what a fun map!"! here 5/5 and Rep
I really like the way you make your description and the way you triggered your map

Good Job !

 

[Alireza Evil]

Well in kill all mode my ally didn't reach 20 deaths and he was thrown out.

 

[deepstrasz]

Mask of Death should have a lower percentage of life steal.
There's a problem with players being disconnected after dying.