(2)Poison Waters

[Abovegame]

Reminds me of my map a little.Glad to see Felwood tileset being used!

 

[Mister_Haudrauf]

...... the waters may damage anything that comes in contact.

I somehow doubt that the waters do actually damage you once you touch it.

 

[Panda]

I somehow doubt that the waters do actually damage you once you touch it.

I mean its just the story of the map don't take things too seriously.

 

[Mister_Haudrauf]

I mean its just the story of the map don't take things too seriously.

I know, but this is the first thing that came into my eye. Nothing more.

 

[Daffa]

I might take interest in developing an altered melee with poisons in it

 

[twojstaryjakcie]

The map is beautiful, the terrain and water convey the idea of a poisonous forest very well; the greenish landscape looks captivating, too. Creeps are mostly balanced, the map is symmetrical and from what I experienced, there are no apparent pathing issues. However, there are some problems with the map, but they're rather easy to fix.

✓ The Murloc camps near the Tavern don't drop any items - I suppose that's not intentional.

✓ The expansions don't offer much wood and I see no reason why they shouldn't. Moreover, the creeps at the expansion are way too easy to kill - it's possible to secure the expansion with as few as just three Militia and a Level 1 Archmage without taking any losses. This means that fast-expanding is an extremely potent strategy for Human players and gives them an edge over other races.

✓ Speaking of other races, I think it'd be a good idea to add a critter or two on each side of the map so that Undead players can use them for their Rods of Necromancy.

✓ There is too much water around orange creep camps, preventing Night Elves from using their Ancient of War to creep - if you increased the height of the areas around the orange camps and removed unbuildable terrain, Night Elf players would no longer be at a disadvantage.

It's not a big problem, but the green spider camp looks quite silly underwater - I think you could make a little hill for those poor creatures so that they can breathe again.

This map has some potential, but the aforementioned issues are holding it back when it comes to competitive experience (apart from the spiders, they just need some air).

 

[WolfFarkas]

hello there, nice map, there are two things that I sugest to change if you wish to:

1) I think those murlocks creeps level 16 can loot something

loot

2) You are genius or you have to much luck, no you don´t have agrro by an inch , still I sugest you to pull those creeps a bit behind, you can remove some trees so the U part will be more deep,is an easy thing to do there is plenty of space

path

rating

5/5

see ya

(apart from the spiders, they just need some air).

Magic spiders don´t breath air, they have some sulfurous enzymes so they can metabolize the minerals in the water.

Now talking serius many spiders can swim and they can capture a bubble of air and go to swim underwater, when the bubble is out, they go back to the surface and capture another

swimmingspider

They breath by the abdomen and not by the mouth. In their abbdomen they have book lungs and they have some kind of shutoff structure so they can hold the air in their abbdomen.

 

[twojstaryjakcie]

People seem to be taking my spider remark a bit too much to heart XD Of course there are water spiders and obviously even if there weren't, one could argue that Warcraft is a fantasy universe and spiders can breathe through their abdomen, legs and eyes combined, yadi yadi yada. I could argue and say that I don't see any air bubbles in-game, hurr durr, but that's not the point. I meant it more as a joke, but I think it'd just be easier for players to notice those little spiders - they're small, their bodies don't go above the water level and the water itself is pretty opaque due to its greenish hue. If they were above the water level, they'd just be easier to spot, that's all.

 

[WolfFarkas]

People seem to be taking my spider remark a bit too much to heart XD Of course there are water spiders and obviously even if there weren't, one could argue that Warcraft is a fantasy universe and spiders can breathe through their abdomen, legs and eyes combined, yadi yadi yada. I could argue and say that I don't see any air bubbles in-game, hurr durr, but that's not the point. I meant it more as a joke, but I think it'd just be easier for players to notice those little spiders - they're small, their bodies don't go above the water level and the water itself is pretty opaque due to its greenish hue. If they were above the water level, they'd just be easier to spot, that's all.

yes for melee purpouse, the scroll targeting will be harder

 

[mafe]

Another map that is quite rather similar to the last 3-4 of yours, but it surely has its own unique aspects. I like the creep positions. Having 3 neutral buildings "in line" always looks a bit unnatural, but given the map layout, this is still best option I think.
About creeps:
-I would not use disease cloud creeps, these are very nasty against humans, annoying for orcs and elfs, but undeads are completely immune. Gives one race a clear advantage.
-I am usually not a fan of manaburn creeps, but as here the evil guy is at red camp, I dont think it is an issue. For the same reason, the felwood merc camp is a very two-edged sword though, as that creep can also be bougth there, any manaburn is an very, very strong ability, that I believe can completely shift the balance of some matchups.
-For the lizards at the shop, a lvl 1 tome is probably justified. One could even make a case for a lvl 2 powerup.

 

[deepstrasz]

but undeads are completely immune.

Explain this issue please. How are they immune?

 

[Mister_Haudrauf]

Explain this issue please. How are they immune?

Disease Cloud is an Ability (effect), which damages everything not classified as undead. Undead on the other hand aren't even affected by the Cloud. Just tested it with a Disease Treant and a Giant Skeleton Warrior fighting each other. The Skeleton wasn't affected by the Disease Cloud.
Normal Enemies will get affected by the Disease Cloud. (Also tested)

 

[deepstrasz]

@Mister_Haudrauf
I tested it meself. Eh gads, you are right!
Disease Cloud does indeed not affect Undead, also Ancients, (obviously) Mechanical and magic immune but does affect Demon.

So @mafe knew what he was writing about. Disease Cloud creeps are not to be in melee games. I agree.

 

[Panda]

@Mister_Haudrauf
I tested it meself. Eh gads, you are right!
Disease Cloud does indeed not affect Undead, also Ancients, (obviously) Mechanical and magic immune but does affect Demon.

So @mafe knew what he was writing about. Disease Cloud creeps are not to be in melee games. I agree.

Gotcha, will update today.

 

[Gonzales]

Cool map