Wrath [5.0]

[Moderator]

21:46, 10th Aug 2010
ap0calypse: Approved

 

[Vengeancekael]

2 major bugs have been found, 1.1 in bound.
Edit: 1.1 released, new video coming soon
Video uploaded, processing...
Done

 

[jupi9999]

will try it

 

[Vengeancekael]

mkay.
Edit: 1.2 released
Edit: 1.3 released

 

[Junpei]

Nice Map

 

[Vengeancekael]

Did ya play it?

 

[Kl3sk]

I don't want to seem ignorant, but judging by the -preview- YouTube video, this is just another basic hero / castle defense map that we've all seen before. However, I'm not that ignorant as to say it's not approval-worthy.
I can see you took your time making it, nice skins / models , even though the spells are the most blandest you could ever find in a W3 map.
Again : I haven't played the map, but my opinion as an average member that sees your screen-shots and YouTube video = not that impressive.

- Rating : N/A

- Voting for : N/A

 

[Vengeancekael]

Aha, how about you try it then.
Edit : 1.5 released.
Edit : 1.6 released, major update.
1.7 to feature lots of cool stuff.

 

[kidsoulex]

gonna try it tomorrow too lazy today

 

[-Kobas-]

I just don't like to test and review friends maps

But pls dude fix TERRAIN
No honestly what is with camera bounds on right side of map, grrr, also dalaran tree wall is fail, pure fail...

EDIT:

OMG dude wtf is this:

• Prevent Queen from going far
  • Events
    • Unit - A unit enters RГ©gion 029 <gen>
    • Unit - A unit enters RГ©gion 028 <gen>
  • Conditions
    • (Triggering unit) Equal to Queen Senerin 0013 <gen>
  • Actions
    • Unit - Move Queen Senerin 0013 <gen> instantly to (Center of RГ©gion 006 <gen>)

Grrrrrrrrr

 

[Cweener]

Review Time #21

Review # 21

Rating System (in weener points:)

1-10 Originality
1-10 Replayability (discounted for most cinematics*)
1-10 Triggering (discounted for protected maps*)
1-10 Terraining
1-10 Object Managing (custom items and destructibles etc...)
1-10 Spells (if applies**)
1-10 Description (On THW and In-game (Loading Screen and information))
1-15 Engaging a.k.a. fun to play
1-15 Misc (size, system implementation, laginess etc...)
-100 or +100 for abiding by THW rules.
_{* = when one is discounted then other sections maximums are raised, and those sections are judged harder (if your map applies then it will show you what i raised later)
** = some maps dont really need spells so this section is discounted and given an automatic 10.}

Rating System Scores

Less than 100 = FF- (Reported, You clearly didnt abide by all of the posting rules, and i have reported you for (not) doing so.)
100-150 Points = F- (Rancid and Needs major work. Vote for Rejection and no +rep.)
151-160 Points = F (Bad and Needs work. vote for Rejection and no +rep.)
161-170 Points = D (Below Average and Needs much updating. has potential. vote for rejection and no +rep.)
171-180 Points = C (Okay but Needs updates. has potential. vote for rejection* and no +rep.)
181-190 Points = B (Good but still not reaching full potential vote for approval but no +rep)
191-199 Points = A (Great and probably has reached full potential**. good job. vote for approval and +rep.)
200 Points = A+ (Amazing, you did everything right and went all out, approval and +rep)
_{* = depending on the map really, and what categories it scored low in
** = not always but most cases.}

Wrath of Kael 1.6

_{Triggering scores not available, so other maximums were raised(see rating system*)}

1-11 Originality *9* while this map has unique aspects, it's main concept has been done on occasion.
1-11 Replayability *9* It's fairly fun, and decently balanced leaving a lot of room for playability
1-11 Terraining *7* Needs more doodads in the battlefield.
1-11 Object Managing *6* While the item tooltips were adequate, I was very annoyed at the ability tool tips. Especially when learning an ability. I had no idea how much damage I was going to be able to do or with what range.
1-11 Spells *10* Bugfree and a lot were original
1-11 Description *12?* Epic
1-17 Engaging *17* It was fairly engaging, with lots of random events thrown in.
1-17 Misc *17* Everything here was perfect.
-100 or 100 Rules *100*
0-200 All-in-all *187* B+ (Good but still not reaching full potential vote for approval and +rep was given)

Author's Note,
This map was great, I liked the concept and execution. I did however note bugs, as well as a few dislikes. These are fairly common dislikes in my opinion, you could easily get an A for this map.

Bugs I found

Bugs:
Amulet of glory has annoying "1" in icon
I can control a shop ? and tell it to build me a lumber mill. ??
The shop is female villager model, yet has male voice.

Recommendations

Recommendations:
Add more height variation in battlefield.
Add more doodads in battlefield.
Fix the bugs.

Likes&Dislikes

[Liked]
Well, there is simply too much to say about what I like.


[Didn't like]
Tooltips for abilities were inadequate.
Terrain in battlefield was ehh...

If any map I've reviewed has been updated, feel free the ask me to re-review it. or if I haven't reviewed YOUR map, feel free to ask me.

 

[Vengeancekael]

I just don't like to test and review friends maps

But pls dude fix TERRAIN
No honestly what is with camera bounds on right side of map, grrr, also dalaran tree wall is fail, pure fail...

EDIT:

OMG dude wtf is this:

• Prevent Queen from going far
  • Events
    • Unit - A unit enters RГ©gion 029 <gen>
    • Unit - A unit enters RГ©gion 028 <gen>
  • Conditions
    • (Triggering unit) Equal to Queen Senerin 0013 <gen>
  • Actions
    • Unit - Move Queen Senerin 0013 <gen> instantly to (Center of RГ©gion 006 <gen>)

Grrrrrrrrr

Lol, that's a very old trigger, i need to remake them
Cweener, thank you for the review.
Edit: Updated
Edit: Updated
Edit: Videos from 1.7 to come in a few.
New Hero "Faerie"

Edit: 1.7 released, 2 new videos.

 

[SilentDoom]

Wow amazing map dude. 4/5

 

[Vengeancekael]

Thank you ...

 

[Yebreh]

Pardon if its been said.

I'm testing as we speak, and all it seems you've done is taken your other defense map, reskinned the enemy (Which are still hillariously named Undead), changed the boss name, and repackaged it as a new map.

 

[Vengeancekael]

Oh so you don't see anything new than just the different race? Oh and they serve the Undead <.< You may not have noticed that when playing the first part of my castle defense map.
Edit: Updated

 

[deepstrasz]

This map is interesting. You should fix the spell descriptions to look more readable. You should make the battlefield more realistic. Enemy units attack as if they came to their deaths. They should come more organized say in battalions. The gate should only be destroyed by siege type units not by any infantry or archer (imagine how long it would take in real life to do something like that). Place the vendors farther than the hero choosing region.

I like the idea it's kind of like a battle in the game Rome Total War.

Cheers !

 

[Vengeancekael]

Hmmm I like your ideas and I will be considering them
That's what I call nice feedback.

 

[woodgie]

I played your other castle defense maps and they were quite good. I'm just posting to mention that at the very end of your map description you wrote "Defense of Argur" twice. Anyway, I'll possibly try this with a few friends later if they're in the mood for castle defense.

 

[Yebreh]

Oh so you don't see anything new than just the different race? Oh and they serve the Undead <.< You may not have noticed that when playing the first part of my castle defense map.
Edit: Updated

Don't get me wrong man, I'm not bashing you or anything, I see that there are new heroes, units and such, but it seems like.. You could have just updated the other map.

 

[Vengeancekael]

I played your other castle defense maps and they were quite good. I'm just posting to mention that at the very end of your map description you wrote "Defense of Argur" twice. Anyway, I'll possibly try this with a few friends later if they're in the mood for castle defense.

Very well thank you But I don't see where I've written Defense of Argur in the description.
Edit: Oh found it.
Edit: 1.9 released, a major update, also new skill tooltips.

 

[Vengeancekael]

2.0 Released

 

[-Kobas-]

Is this one, you told me about

 

[Vengeancekael]

Yes lol, you may test it now.
Edit: 2.1 released.
Edit: 2.2 released

 

[Vengeancekael]

Ignore this guy.^

 

[Cweener]

How come? He's only got 3 negrep gems

 

[Vengeancekael]

LOL
Edit: 2.3 released

 

[-Kobas-]

Damn dude, can you work on your map for week or more and then upload 3.0 version or just 2.4!

It will be hard to play it online, you upload map 2 times per day, grr I don't play it online for example 3 days, and I need to dl it again!

This is my opinion, you can work on map, create versions and then just upload 3.0, 4.0 etc etc (and create hidden tag with versions between (3.0 to 4.0, change log + version link))

So are you go and upload new version soon or should I test this one now

 

[Vengeancekael]

Yes you may xD
Edit: 2.4 released, don't expect any updates for some time anymore. 2.5 will take long.

 

[-Kobas-]

Yes you may xD
Edit: 2.4 released, don't expect any updates for some time anymore. 2.5 will take long.

LOL

Hey why you don't ask if you need map preview image!

 

[Vengeancekael]

Lol why? I thought you were busy.

 

[-Kobas-]

Well I am busy for large project, but for thing like this (that can be done in few min) lol never

 

[crimson fire]

looks really nice, havent tried it though, gonna do that now

 

[-Kobas-]

Sorry dude no use
Map lag like hell, I can see slideshow on my PC

That is 2 much units for my standard

But I find some memory leaks!

• Mage Choc of Fire
  • Events
    • Unit - A unit Is attacked
  • Conditions
    • (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Mage
  • Actions
    • Trigger - Turn off (This trigger)
    • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
      • If - Conditions
        • (Life of (Triggering unit)) Greater than or equal to 200.00
      • Then - Actions
        • Unit - Order (Triggering unit) to Human Blood Mage - Flame Strike (Position of (Attacking unit))
      • Else - Actions
        • Unit - Order (Triggering unit) to Attack (Attacking unit)
    • Wait 1.00 seconds
    • Trigger - Turn on (This trigger)

Icons are now awesome, but they all should be BTN (not passive) in Learning menu !

Some triggers can be fixed, use variables more

• Hero - Set Owl 0338 <gen> Hero-level to 25, Hide level-up graphics
• Hero - Set Templar 0365 <gen> Hero-level to 25, Hide level-up graphics
• Hero - Set Rifleman 0518 <gen> Hero-level to 25, Hide level-up graphics
• Hero - Set Angel 0356 <gen> Hero-level to 25, Hide level-up graphics
• Hero - Set Elementalist 0366 <gen> Hero-level to 25, Hide level-up graphics
• Hero - Set Faerie 0549 <gen> Hero-level to 25, Hide level-up graphics
• Hero - Set Monk 0334 <gen> Hero-level to 25, Hide level-up graphics
• Hero - Set Chevalier 0335 <gen> Hero-level to 25, Hide level-up graphics
• Hero - Set Power 0519 <gen> Hero-level to 25, Hide level-up graphics
• Hero - Set Ranger 0337 <gen> Hero-level to 25, Hide level-up graphics
• Hero - Set Archlord 0550 <gen> Hero-level to 25, Hide level-up graphics
• Hero - Set Wizard 0364 <gen> Hero-level to 25, Hide level-up graphics
• Hero - Set Champion 0345 <gen> Hero-level to 25, Hide level-up graphics
• Hero - Set Phoenix 0333 <gen> Hero-level to 25, Hide level-up graphics
• Hero - Set Giant 0018 <gen> Hero-level to 25, Hide level-up graphics
• Unit - Kill Hero Selector 0357 <gen>
• Unit Group - Pick every unit in (Units in Region 092 <gen> owned by Neutral Passive) and do (Actions)
  • Loop - Actions
    • Unit - Change ownership of (Picked unit) to Player 1 (Red) and Change color

Oh clean unit group leak also

Now come terrain, this one looks really great, I like how you colored stuff!
But pathing ground is horrible
I can blink to some places (catedral, small forest above last catapult on right etc etc)
Battle ground is still empty, few rocks, shrubs, plants in general won't hurt

Gameplay look ok, but you need few game modes, like, All Random, All Pick!

You can hit "ESC" key to open help panel!
Now create few command buttons about Hero selection, items to buy, game mode etc etc!

Oh I will create LS and MPI for ya

 

[Vengeancekael]

Lol I guess your Pc can't handle it
Also you can just type "-X" to get information about a hero.

 

[-Kobas-]

Here it is Loading Screen, Image and file for WE, and Map Preview Image!

Image was created by azazel1944! Link

Map preview is different than loading screen! (Same picture different text)

I hope you like it

 

[Vengeancekael]

Yeah I've seen that image, but seeing the text edit, I guess I'll use it DAMN IT I just updated it to 2.5b

 

[-Kobas-]

This description deserve VOTE FOR APPROVAL
If we exclude terrible lag on my poor PC this map can be approved!
Well it is far from 5/5 but if I should rate this one I will give 3/5!

 

[Vengeancekael]

lol aww too bad

 

[-Kobas-]

Well 3/5 will be mark (at least in my eyes), you still need to fix memory leaks (well some) and fix some triggers!
Then come empty terrain on some places! Hints, quests, special events etc etc!
Also we can't forgot modes or game commands

 

[Nillere]

Dude, srsly, don't rage, not cool! (Mapname) But i'll give this a try tomoz, as i've got my laptop in the car all day

 

[Vengeancekael]

Well 3/5 will be mark (at least in my eyes), you still need to fix memory leaks (well some) and fix some triggers!
Then come empty terrain on some places! Hints, quests, special events etc etc!
Also we can't forgot modes or game commands

Fixing the triggers will take some time since the triggers were made long time ago xD
Game modes will be added, as well as game commands etc.

 

[Kl3sk]

Fixing the triggers will take some time since the triggers were made long time ago xD
Game modes will be added, as well as game commands etc.

Whoa, that's not exactly good news...those old triggers are a no-no. There's nothing wrong with them if they worked then, but old triggers have this nag for leaking... either way, there's nothing I can say that hasn't already been said for far, but I'd just like to express a personal note : You concentrate on adding a lot of skins / models and other aesthetics into the game, but you're completely ignoring the terrain... it causes eye-bleeds... when the new version comes out, please try to focus on this aspect too, okay ? Thank you.

 

[Vengeancekael]

there are, as far as I know, no leaks, so don't worry, I am remaking the triggers however to make them run faster. And well as far as I know people said that the terrain is fine, but I'll work on it.

 

[Naman]

havnt tried the newest version yet but great map with great heroes and everything!

edit: tried the newest version... u added a lot of stuff but now sometimes people dont respawn
also we ended up with so many enemies they stopped moving and ranged heroes could kill most of them easily
also can we buy tomes? its hard to get rid of all the money u end up with cuz the pots arent that good

 

[Vengeancekael]

Thanks
2.8 will feature the first AI player.

 

[Acutesharpness]

I was wondering why you tell people to play it instead of to refer to the descriptions alone, the game has awesome terrain, nice system. You spend a lot of effort on the game instead of the hero!

When I saw the description, I thought you need more work, anyway I will say that this map needs improvement but it is good to be played. Definitely worth an approve.

I played a knight hero called Templar, he was a moderate aoe and single target hero.
This game called Wrath of Kael has a lot of potential, hearing it isn't enough, you need to play it to experience it. When I select my hero and go out, I was having a hard time finding all the teleporters. Wrath of Kael is a game that players defend the castle until the timer runs out. Overtime, there will be swordsman launched into the castle to complete a sneak attack from kael. You objective is to kill kael after he had decided to come in and wack some ass, that is to enter the gates after the timer. I think it was fun for a few minutes until I had a bug and had to use -debug.
Well I will say till here for now, you need to fix a bug, I am unsure of the others but I will put my comments below.

Bug

There is a circle of power called castle, around the middle of the castle. When a hero enter, it would be invulnerable and in air for a while, out of panic I used -debug. My hero died and revived with permanent invulnerability, you must fix this bug as it is easily exploitable..

Suggestions

I encountered a lot of lags, I suggest you to check you triggers to find leaks

Ratings for now is 3/5, I had not voted yet.

 

[Vengeancekael]

uh when you enter that circle, allied units in the map will receive a bonus to their armor, to stop, you need to type -stopchannel.
There are no leaks, yet since it's so huge and there are so many effects and units it just has this lag, but I'm working on it right now. Thank you for the review.

 

[Acutesharpness]

Yes no problem, I was curious and I thought this map worth a review..

I hope you noticed that -debug after entering circle has a bug, it's a must fix! Erm may be just remove invulnerability?

When the player enter the circle, just display some text, else the player will not know what is really happening, plus tell them to do -stopchannel if possible