Murloc Defense BETA 2.2

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Leaks, bad terrain.

Lag_Reviews · Jan 10, 2010

Nice Map Review here!

Hey Nice map, I just downloaded.

Now time to review the map as it is only a beta mode I will not review it fully, I'll just tell you the good things and bad things and how to improve.

Pros:

No bugs and glitches, that I noticed
Everything works apart from the miner and im-balancing of everything

Cons;

Don't get much gold, I played singled player
Units are imbalanced to Murlocs
Not many Towers
Murlocs/creeps don't stick to the path

Confusing things:

The Miners they seemed useless, why do we control them?
The scout towers at base just take up room, are they need?
The food limit 78? Towers shouldn't cost food
Why can we have like 600 heroes? should only be allowed 1-3
Whats with the female at the base?

How to improve:

Add a custom preview picture
Add a custom loading picture, the loading screen the one after you click start game
Add more towers (Maybe at the start of the map you could let us pick a builder type, ice fire poison wind earth etc and each builder would have many towers and upgrades based on there element.)
Balance the Murlocs and towers and units
Give more gold as towers die before they can be upgraded and before you can build more
Make the creeps stay on the path not walk jungle

It will be an alright map once you fix alot of things,
Lag_Reviews

PS: Why does the map not end? people will just get bored and leave knowing the map does not have a purpose. With a bit of work this map will be alright and worth playing I can't wait!

Vengeancekael · Jan 10, 2010

Maybe add a changelog to the description.

Dragon270 THE ONLY · Jan 10, 2010

Thanks for Reviewing

Well about the Miners. I was thinking about making them a few for each player, but for right now they are just NPC's standing around. the reason i have a load of villagers standing around under player Red is because, if the murlocs get far enough they will slay the humans.

I've had many problems balancing. I decided there had to be a limit to towers. I would like to learn a trigger to kill some farms when in multiplayer or, or add more in single or 2 player. But the food is to limit them so a player doesn't have a dozen towers bombarding the murlocs. I've tried to get the 3rd Level Tower to do less damage. Once i had the Murloc Legion over powered. They ran through and killed all.

As you may notice the waves are repeating 6 Murloc Tidreunners, 1 mage every so often, and 2 Nightcrawlers. I tried to add more special waves that only happen once. Ther is a trigger i Titled Hunter Raid. 15 tide runners swarm out of the spawn point. They may need more attack and health.

Last the rabbit thing was to be silly if someone is using that repetitively I should Remove it from Red Player's control. I dont get what you mean 600 heroes though. Originally a single boss killed dropped 1 lumber. The max you should have is 4 in the game unless Red says "-r"

Dragon270 THE ONLY · Jan 10, 2010

Dragon270 THE ONLY said:
Well about the Miners. I was thinking about making them a few for each player, but for right now they are just NPC's standing around. the reason i have a load of villagers standing around under player Red is because, if the murlocs get far enough they will slay the humans.

I've had many problems balancing. I decided there had to be a limit to towers. I would like to learn a trigger to kill some farms when in multiplayer or, or add more in single or 2 player. But the food is to limit them so a player doesn't have a dozen towers bombarding the murlocs. I've tried to get the 3rd Level Tower to do less damage. Once i had the Murloc Legion over powered. They ran through and killed all.

As you may notice the waves are repeating 6 Murloc Tidreunners, 1 mage every so often, and 2 Nightcrawlers. I tried to add more special waves that only happen once. Ther is a trigger i Titled Hunter Raid. 15 tide runners swarm out of the spawn point. They may need more attack and health.

Last the rabbit thing was to be silly if someone is using that repetitively I should Remove it from Red Player's control. I dont get what you mean 600 heroes though. Originally a single boss killed dropped 1 lumber. The max you should have is 4 in the game unless Red says "-r"

I Forgot something very key here. The Gold being much less. It used to give 50 every thirty seconds, and due to a previous trial and error, Yellow and Orange had 100 every 30. The Point of lowering it was so you dont get thousands of gold. I'm still working it out

Well.... I have noticed the speculation over my unending waves. People ask about it many times. :spell_breaker:

And so the great question of "Why?" must be answered. Look at modern armies today. We send out squads frequently, usually containing the same ranks of soldiers.

I know this map is a Tower Defence. So I do add special attack waves that
will come out. The player Red commands were meant to control difficulty. I added the Murloc Ghould raids and The Air Raids to make it non-repetitive. I am working on more small special waves to come by. Right now there are actually 2 and the 4 bosses. A Ninja Raid before the first Boss and a Hunter Raid somewhere in the middle of the whole game.

Any suggestions the players of my map can give me will be great. Please post under this map your thoughts and ideas. No matter how ridiculous it might come up in the game. However due to the rules of The Hive Workshop and my own Moral, keep it mostly appropriate :thumbs_up:

Lag_Reviews said:
Hey Nice map, I just downloaded.

Now time to review the map as it is only a beta mode I will not review it fully, I'll just tell you the good things and bad things and how to improve.

Pros:

No bugs and glitches, that I noticed

Everything works apart from the miner and im-balancing of everything

Cons;

Don't get much gold, I played singled player

Units are imbalanced to Murlocs

Not many Towers

Murlocs/creeps don't stick to the path

Confusing things:

The Miners they seemed useless, why do we control them?

The scout towers at base just take up room, are they need?

The food limit 78? Towers shouldn't cost food

Why can we have like 600 heroes? should only be allowed 1-3

Whats with the female at the base?

How to improve:

Add a custom preview picture

Add a custom loading picture, the loading screen the one after you click start game

Add more towers (Maybe at the start of the map you could let us pick a builder type, ice fire poison wind earth etc and each builder would have many towers and upgrades based on there element.)

Balance the Murlocs and towers and units

Give more gold as towers die before they can be upgraded and before you can build more

Make the creeps stay on the path not walk jungle

It will be an alright map once you fix alot of things,
Lag_Reviews

PS: Why does the map not end? people will just get bored and leave knowing the map does not have a purpose. With a bit of work this map will be alright and worth playing I can't wait!

If you are talking about the Fighting your buildings thing: This is to give the game more fun. It is funner to make a base AND fight than to sit and shoot.
If you are talking about how they sort of wander around the Gypsy camp, yes this problem occurs often. i have added more trees to lead them down, then go the strait line to the Town. I have had an issue 1 time,where Gurgles(The Final Boss) paused forever in the camp. i had to lure him to our new base to slay him.

GhostThruster · Jan 10, 2010

Please don't triple post. Yes, I can see your posts are hugigantinormous.

Lag_Reviews · Jan 11, 2010

Heh?

Dragon270 THE ONLY said:
If you are talking about the Fighting your buildings thing: This is to give the game more fun. It is funner to make a base AND fight than to sit and shoot.
If you are talking about how they sort of wander around the Gypsy camp, yes this problem occurs often. i have added more trees to lead them down, then go the strait line to the Town. I have had an issue 1 time,where Gurgles(The Final Boss) paused forever in the camp. i had to lure him to our new base to slay him.

I suggested make the units go on the path, although if they get shot at they turn to attack towers. Then once the towers are dead they continue back on the path.

Just an idea

Also people don't like it when you double/triple post, you can just hit the edit post button and add more info to the one post. Although honestly I don't care.

Alright map,
Lag_Reviews

GhostThruster · Jan 11, 2010

No one cares, its just that it is against the rules. I've played this map and I must say it is very good. Maybe fix some spelling and some screenshots. 3/5. Good job.

Dragon270 THE ONLY · Jan 11, 2010

Thanks, sorry for the Spam

Im sorry I triple posted. I wasnt actually thinking of the spam. I noticed some spelling issues. Too bad Editor doesnt have a spelling checker like this one :xxd:

. I have constantly spelled it "Defence" not "Defense". If you notice things like spelling and hotkeys not working please let me know by posting here. Im glad you like the map but it still needs balancing to be seriously settled. (This problem has gone on since I first made this for fun in September 2009)

Ghostthruster please seriously rate it at the top that could boost the rating by a whole point!

GhostThruster · Jan 12, 2010

You should add a Changelog and use the hidden tag. Keep updating the map and checking your spelling.

Sure thing man!

Acorn511 · Jan 17, 2010

Why do my workers keep trying to attack the murlocs? I want them to stay still dammit! Maybe add a classifcation as a worker so the builders don't auto attack the murlocs?

Lag_Reviews · Jan 17, 2010

That'd be good!

Acorn511 said:
Why do my workers keep trying to attack the murlocs? I want them to stay still dammit! Maybe add a classifcation as a worker so the builders don't auto attack the murlocs?

That'd be good if something like that was made. A simple script that too builders murlocs where invulnerable or on your team.

That would make it, a bit better than what it already is.

Good luck and I hope you make the builders don't attack murlocs script and add it to your map,
Lag_Reviews

PS: Good luck!

Dragon270 THE ONLY · Jan 17, 2010

Lag_Reviews said:
That'd be good if something like that was made. A simple script that too builders murlocs where invulnerable or on your team.

That would make it, a bit better than what it already is.

Good luck and I hope you make the builders don't attack murlocs script and add it to your map,
Lag_Reviews

PS: Good luck!

Mega Long Post

The original idea is that they are supposed to fight and attack. To get them to respawn a little bit faster I'm about to add an altar building to train them on the battle field. And the base hero I used to make the Builder a hero was, the Paladin. but if you would like i will classify it as a builder. It IS annoying to get ready to build something then they charge off blindly. They are meant to fight though, at lvl six they get Robo-Builder, and can kill alot of enemies when you buy orbs(+20 strength 1,000 something hp and base attack of about 30 to 47).

P.S. The Robo-Builder does attack on its own AND can build, Mend Wall, Fry Murloc, Unbuild, and Turn back into a normal builder.

Dragon270 THE ONLY · Feb 9, 2010

Guys, I need some help. Ill be hosting this repetitively on Battle Net. I need some help finding minor errors.
Play the game in some way. Look for: Typos, Tooltips out of place, Lumber Disappearing after you Repair (This is a MAJOR problem. I have tried and tried, but some new units, and possibly the Workshop building, cost lumber to repair. If you see this, tell me which building here on the site, but you can just "Mend Wall" it to repair without lumber.), or ANY other problems.

I have fixed Masonry. You may no longer farm lumber from farms.

I know how you all complained about builders. They no longer attack automatically. They must change into their tinker forms to Auto-Attack. The only attacking Builder is my Dragon270 Hero :mwahaha:

. Im to the point of removing dragon270 from the trigger list. He will become available as the first multi-lumber hero

Newominus · Feb 12, 2010

Water tower description, read it.

Edit: This game needs a fissure hat. It allows you to blow up things.

Dragon270 THE ONLY · Feb 12, 2010

I could add an item like that. I will edit earthquake maybe to where it deals damage to enemies, for earth tower to be useful. Ill make 2 different ones 1 for item one for tower. Also I'll read the description i hope it doesnt say something totally dumb.

Wow those were some nasty typoes. I'll look out for those in the future. Thanks for letting me know Newominus. This is what happens when I rush.

krisserz · Feb 12, 2010

The description is not good enaugh and you waste space by that changelogs. Split the together.

Dragon270 THE ONLY · Feb 12, 2010

I'm sorry. I was told to make a changelog and I'm new to The Hive. I messed with it slightly.

Other than that, any requests will be added in the next update. It wont be that big of an update, I am still trying to balance creeps and fix a few minor
mess-ups I have found while playing it a few times.

Hordeon · Feb 13, 2010

I think this game is a bit unbalanced. Your Idea is fine, seems pretty fun

Dragon270 THE ONLY · Feb 14, 2010

Yes it is unbalanced. They were extremely easy, now they are hard, I may accidentally make them too easy. One day I will finally have it balanced.

Speaking of hard or easy, does anyone here think the ranged Murlocs are too difficult. One guy kept ranting about how gay it was because the Archers wiped out his towers.

Newominus · Feb 15, 2010

hmmm... Boss may drop special item?

mouseman89 · Feb 16, 2010

Reincarnations description says "tauren chieften" instead of War Veteren I think and nuke is "conjures a piller of flames" shouldn't it be calls in for a jet to blast the targeted area with a nuke or something?

EDIT: shouldn't barricades be able to build on the roads?

Newominus · Feb 16, 2010

miners should have faster attack speed. they're really slow and the architect could to better.

mouseman89 · Feb 16, 2010

Revival station costs lumber to repair..

Some things in Energy tower and element tower are misspelled... Tower lvl 4 description cannons misspelled.

Newominus · Feb 17, 2010

I think I knew about that mispelling and forgot to report it :|

Edit: Please don't double post, use the Edit Button in the lower left corner of your posts.
Edit: Nerf the Murloc Mage damage by 15. Its hard enough as it is being a ranged attack
Edit: Footmen aren't as useful in late stages of the game.

Dragon270 THE ONLY · Feb 24, 2010

Sorry guys I am giving up warcraft for lent. I decided not to mess with editor either. THANK YOU for the posts. I can make mages weak (just wait another month) and i can fix the revival staions and the war veteran problems. Thanks for letting me know the revival stations needed lumber. I had forgotten it completely.Ill also fix those typos.

oh yeah almost forgot. If you want the bosses to drop items, i dont know how to yet, but it would be cool. If you have ideas for their names or even the stats, post it here.

mouseman89 · Feb 26, 2010

For Items dropping from bosses;

Events
- Unit - A unit owned by Player 12 (Brown) Dies
Conditions
- Or - Any (Conditions) are true
  - Conditions
    - (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Murloc War Queen
    - (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Murloc Battle Mage
Actions
- If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
  - If - Conditions
    - (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Murloc War Queen
Then - Actions
- If ((Random integer number between 1 and 100) Less than or equal to 50) then do (Item - Create Tome of Experience at (Position of (Triggering unit))) else do (Item - Create Tome of Power at (Position of (Triggering unit)))
Else - Actions

or something like that.

EDIT:ALL of the air towers say, "Mulocs" instead of murlocs.
EDIT: put center of map instead of position of triggeing unit.

Dragon270 THE ONLY · Feb 26, 2010

Wow...... dont delete that post. It will be the most useful thing after Easter.

it says "Murlocs' instead of 'murlocs'" because they have formed their own nation,
according to the story I put in the changelog. So the noun name in my map is proper.

EDIT: Oh it says mulocs. I can fix that later. They all say that because i dont rly change
discription i just change it from Air Tower lvl 1 to lvl 2 or 3 etc. (I love using air towers
it was the coolest tower design ever.

mouseman89 · Mar 2, 2010

I meant it said "mulocs" theres no r.

Edit: for gold mines;

Untitled Trigger 002
- Events
  - Destructible - A destructible within Gold Mining Area <gen> dies
- Conditions
- Actions
  - Item - Create Gold Ore at (Position of (Dying destructible))

and a chance more than one gold ore;

Untitled Trigger 002
- Events
  - Destructible - A destructible within Gold Mining Area <gen> dies
- Conditions
- Actions
  - If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
    - If - Conditions
      - (Random integer number between 1 and 100) Greater than or equal to 75
    - Then - Actions
      - Item - Create Gold Ore at (Position of (Dying destructible))
      - Item - Create Gold Ore at (Position of (Dying destructible))
    - Else - Actions
      - Item - Create Gold Ore at (Position of (Dying destructible))

Edit: put all the changelogs in one hidden tag(i mean put the hidden tags in just one.

Dragon270 THE ONLY · Mar 3, 2010

OK that would work better than having the drop rate table.

mouseman89 · Mar 28, 2010

I think the pit lord costs food, but the other heros dont.

Dragon270 THE ONLY · Apr 1, 2010

oh yeah. I think i did that to limit him because he was a good character. When i go back to editing this (Easter is in 3 days) I might change that. Speaking of heroes. Ill be adding a new necromancer hero.

EDIT: Look forward to special tower builders, new heroes goldmine fixes, boss item drops, and typo fixes.

Newominus said:
Edit: Footmen aren't as useful in late stages of the game.

This problem is already being speculated. Im sorry i didnt read this part yet.
I am adding upgrades to their attack defence and HP if i find . The Dragon270 minis get upgrades, making him even MORE powerful.

(Send me a message for how much lumber D270 should cost as a merc hero. Test him in single player to get a grip of how much his power is)

mouseman89 · Apr 1, 2010

lumber cost for D270... maybe 2.

Dragon270 THE ONLY · Apr 2, 2010

mouseman89 said:
lumber cost for D270... maybe 2.

That was my first choice.It may be adequate.

mouseman89 · Apr 2, 2010

Originally Posted by mouseman89
lumber cost for D270... maybe 2.

Click to expand...

That was my first choice.It may be adequate.

ya cause 3... youd have to kill 2 or 3 bosses though 1 you could just buy from the start.

Dragon270 THE ONLY · Apr 2, 2010

but... HEHE. No one really knows about him until they go to the camp. then i could be the only one to save for him(even i could still get him free

APRIL FOOOLZ!

mouseman89 · Apr 2, 2010

lol hows that a screenshot?

Dragon270 THE ONLY · Apr 2, 2010

mouseman89 said:
lol hows that a screenshot?

Its an april fool. See the lush animations of the Lorderon Fall grass, the detailed LvL1 Tower, and the fish-like appearence of the Murloc Tiderunner.
I posted a real screenshot so i dont get reported..

mouseman89 · Apr 2, 2010

lolz whens the new version coming out?

EDit LOL its just a fish with legs XD :grin:

Dragon270 THE ONLY · Apr 2, 2010

I dont know. I dont want to mess with world edit too much. I gave up warcraft for lent as i have stated. we have 2 days left.(At least this sunday.) The fish has 1 arm and 1 leg. Its 2D.

PS Check out the album my profile for a sort of release note area. There are more lame pics like my signature there.

Dragon270 THE ONLY · Apr 3, 2010

The new patch is out

mouseman89 · Apr 5, 2010

why dont you make a new building awesome farm, gives 78 food so you can just place that instead of a ton of farms?

Acorn511 · Apr 5, 2010

You should add modes if possible. Like one where one person can play as the murlocs and try to take down the humans.

mouseman89 · Apr 5, 2010

lol beat it with 2 people, using only footmen tanks and heroes.

Dragon270 THE ONLY · Apr 5, 2010

Acorn511 said:
You should add modes if possible. Like one where one person can play as the murlocs and try to take down the humans.

I have thought of that! :thumbs_up:

Someday (MAYBE) you can be a third Murloc Legion character, that is the reverse of the Builders. Have a hero (that you choose like Dota) and train units. heck, now that i have the power....
Wait about a week for this.

EDIT: REMEMBER! MAYBE!
EDIT: It happened a while back

mouseman89 · Apr 5, 2010

make towers/walls be able to be build on roads... its so annoying when the only place you can block them from getting to the towers is the begining.

Newominus · Apr 6, 2010

Nice to see you haven't fully abandoned this map.

Edit: As I said before, miners are bad :|

Acorn511 · Apr 6, 2010

Can you add a self destruct/sell ability for misplaced walls/towers. My worker got stuck and no way to get him out other than slowly hack at the wall I just built. Or alternatively, add a blink ability to the worker?

Dragon270 THE ONLY · Apr 8, 2010

Acorn511 said:
Can you add a self destruct/sell ability for misplaced walls/towers. My worker got stuck and no way to get him out other than slowly hack at the wall I just built. Or alternatively, add a blink ability to the worker?

Good Idea. Next Patch: Murloc Minions Player slot, and Wall(Wisp) Self Destruct. I dont know how to make it refund, PM trigger?

Edit: For reasons that cant be changed unless i decide to not be lazy and make a spellbook of builder abilities, the max # of abilities has been hit for builders. I cant add blink. at least not yet.

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