yeah its really easy to tell which DotA heroes were made before they got good at the editor like leoric sven clinkz centaur, and I hate how a ton of nukes have a ministun because they were based on Storm Bolt (zeus nuke, centaur nuke, terrorblade ultimate, lich ultimate... ok this one was sleep but same thing, jugg ultimate, luna nuke, gondar nuke, lucifer nuke)