Spells & Systems Mini-Contest #18

[nerovesper]

Actually, you really got my first idea.
My first idea was after turning undead they will slow down(because most undead are slow, except on the show Dawn of the dead and the game left4dead, xD) and Magnus heals friendly units.
But a friend suggested me that it doesn't add up or its not good that way. But when you put it that way the elements really does come together.
I'll try to fix it to what you said, I think it really fits that element. Thanks ^^

 

[Element of Water]

a spell called turn undead should really make enemy undead units run away...

 

[Justify]

I don't think so... this is still Warcraft and it's quite unimportant which names other games use :/

 

[Squiggy]

Count me in, starting right now

 

[xXMephistoXx]

But still. People might think about undeads running away when they see the spell, since that's what most people assosiacet with the name, but then they see something entirely different.

 

[Kingz]

My coding is a bit of complex when you look at it but i tried spaming my spells about 20 times repeatingly and it didn't bugged while still keeping about the same FPS.
Actualy my coding is just a lot of use of Paladon integer array system and a lot of variables(lol cause 75% are integers and reals for spell settings).
I want to know will the variable number reduce or increase the triggering scoring(i use a lot of variables cuz of high spell customizations).
EDIT:
Does it need a documentation for the spells?

 

[Hanky]

Yes, documentation is wanted.

 

[Element of Water]

Documentation about how the spell works? Or maybe what it does? What are we supposed to document exactly?

 

[Justify]

But still. People might think about undeads running away when they see the spell, since that's what most people assosiacet with the name, but then they see something entirely different.

Then they should read the damn tooltip

Documentation about how the spell works? Or maybe what it does? What are we supposed to document exactly?

Explain the script itself, why you save the unit in this group, what this trigger/function does and so on So it's easier to read and understand.

 

[Element of Water]

Ok thanks.

 

[Kingz]

My spells aren't finished, only modifications remain now...
Anyway to ensure nobody makes a double of my spells, here are my spells tooltips:
First Spell, Deep Freeze:
Deep Freezes the targets in the 400 AOE making icycles materialize and fall on them dealing up to 20-50/30-60/40-70 cold damage per second depending on the distance from the original pulse. Deep frozen unit's cannot be controled. If under the effect of Full Impact the frost damage is doubled due to the frostbite. Lasts 3-10 seconds and cannot stack.

Second Spell, Full Impact:
A cryometeor falls from the sky dealing force damage and frostbiting enemies. The meteor falls dealing up to 100-200/125-325/150-450 force damage in 350 AOE and giving units within 200 AOE frostbite for 3-10 seconds. Damage is dependant by the distance from the impact point. Units hit by the meteor in 150 AOE of the impact point get shatered if under the influence of deep freeze. Frostbiten unit's get their movement speed reduced by 2-5/4-10/6-15 %.

They synergy with themselves and i used only 1 dummy and 2 buffs and 2 abilities for buff checking, every other aspect is calculated in the triggers, including MS reduction.
Sorry for not posting i want to make sure it's bugless/leakless/lagless and polished.
Hope you like the idea, the real thing is yet to come...

 

[Element of Water]

Damnit, I've run into a major problem with my spells - I can't seem to add buffs, remove buffs, or check if a unit has a buff using code... UnitAddAbility is what I should use to add a buff, right? Then why isn't it working?

 

[xXMephistoXx]

Doesn't UnitAddAbility add an ability, not a buff? I think you would have to create a dummy unit and order it to cast a dummy spell with the desired buff. Ofcourse, I'm most likely wrong

 

[Element of Water]

Well, the GUI add buff action uses UnitAddAbility...

 

[xXMephistoXx]

Ok, then I was wrong :S Not that experienced with buffs

 

[Element of Water]

Yeah and neither am I - that's why they're all bugged up for me...

 

[xXMephistoXx]

I've always used dummy units and dummy abilities with buffs, and they've worked fine for me, although they're a little less effective :S

 

[Rmx]

I'm 100% sure that i'm gonna loose COZ MY IDEA SUCKS BADLY !!! if it competes with ur ideas GUYS !!!!!!!!

 

[Element of Water]

Can u plz not uze anoying text talk/put so many !'s after everything u say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!? It makes your comments hard to read.

And anyway, don't put yourself down, we may all be crap and fail miserably.

 

[-Berz-]

Oh well... time to start with something basic,..

Meh, I changed my mind.

I doubt I'll make something for this contest, thou i have an idea that isn't so bad.

We'll see

 

[Squiggy]

Hm as far as I know, you can't enum units with locusts using 'pick every unit matching 'Condition' if you want to check for buffs.
In case you need the buff but the dummy can be invisible, set the model to .mdl and leave out the locust D:

 

[Element of Water]

It's nothing to do with dummy units, I just want a buff on my spell's target for god's sake. And I want to be able to check if the unit has the buff. And I want to be able to remove the buff with code. But none of this works.

 

[xXMephistoXx]

Which base-ability are you using..? It's not every ability that can have a duration.

 

[Element of Water]

I'm using Channel. But the unit is supposed to get the buff via triggers anyway... I suppose I could change it so it's not getting it via triggers, but then what about removing the buff/checking if the unit has it?

 

[xXMephistoXx]

Just do "The unit" has buff "Your Buff", wouldn't that work? Just a condition.

 

[Element of Water]

Well, the Jass GetUnitAbilityLevel(unit, ability)>0 doesn't work and that's what the GUI condition is based on...

 

[nerovesper]

I finally updated my spell,

Just like you said EOW. xD

I even changed the name of the TURN UNDEAD... I don't really know why people would think that Turn Undead will give them a thought that undead should run away. The name doesn't really say it all. I don't know if it means "Turning undead" or "Turning undead to face the opposite direction and run away..." LOL!
^0^

 

[The Reborn Devil]

I haven't started creating my spell yet ^^
I have an idea, but I'm still waiting for a reply from Hanky about a PM I sent him about using my projectile system.
If I can't use it I'll need a new idea, because both spells requires the projectile system.

 

[Squiggy]

Well, the Jass GetUnitAbilityLevel(unit, ability)>0 doesn't work and that's what the GUI condition is based on...

Either way, order a unit to cast the spell with the buff you want it to have on your target

 

[xD.Schurke]

Well, the Jass GetUnitAbilityLevel(unit, ability)>0 doesn't work and that's what the GUI condition is based on...

in jass it should be GetUnitAbilityLevel(unit,Buff) > 0 then e.g. GetUnutAbilityLevel(unit,'B000'), this works for sure, i don't know what you are doing wrong

{EDIT}

I haven't started creating my spell yet ^^
I have an idea, but I'm still waiting for a reply from Hanky about a PM I sent him about using my projectile system.
If I can't use it I'll need a new idea, because both spells requires the projectile system.

in the description is written, that you are not allowed to use projectil systems etc.

 

[Element of Water]

xD.Schurke, double post.

in jass it should be GetUnitAbilityLevel(unit,Buff) > 0 then e.g. GetUnutAbilityLevel(unit,'B000'), this works for sure, i don't know what you are doing wrong

That doesn't work at all for me... neither does adding the buff

 

[The Reborn Devil]

in the description is written, that you are not allowed to use projectil systems etc.

I says:

Examples of large do-it-for-you systems:

° Particle System
° Caster System

I doesn't say projectile system. A projectile system just simulates a ranged attack with a few more options.

 

[xD.Schurke]

it should^^ for me it works

 

[spiwn]

in the description is written, that you are not allowed to use projectil systems etc.

I think you are allowed to use your own systems.

That doesn't work at all for me... neither does adding the buff

Checking if a unit has a buff via the GetUnitAbilityLevel(unit,buff)>0 works. So you problem is elsewhere(this cannot be done directly in GUI except with a custom script or with the Unit Has Buff action).
You can't add a buff with just UnitAddAbility.

 

[Element of Water]

1. I'm certainly not doing anything in GUI. I don't see where else my problem could be...

2. How can you add a buff then?

 

[-Berz-]

2. How can you add a buff then?

Use a base buffed spell -.-'

 

[spiwn]

It was already explained.
Make a dummy ability with the proper buff, add it to a dummy unit, and make the unit use it.

 

[-Berz-]

Ok i checked a few of your posts, you said you're using 'addAbility" (or something)

That doesn't give the buff (it does, if aura) but that is tricky... so just use a dummy that casts buff based spell, or use buff based spell on your hero as a hero spell.

 

[Eccho]

Buffs are easily overwritable. However there are one option - using slow aura (tornado) and setting all values to 0, adding a new buff - will work.

 

[Element of Water]

Ok then.. you can't add buffs with triggers... so much for making my spell pure Jass... and I've had another problem too now - SetUnitMoveSpeed doesn't seem to work... is this another one that doesn't work at all? Do I have to do this with dummy abilities too?

 

[Eccho]

Well, you do use triggers to add that dummy ability which has the buff. But no, "stand-alone" buffs is not possible.

SetUnitMoveSpeed should work... But it could be complex when resetting it, as you have to save what units are affected in a group and reset killed ones.

 

[Element of Water]

1. Aww crap...

2. Ah, I found the problem with a simple test (press escape, move speed to 0) - minimum movement speed. You can't use SetUnitMoveSpeed to make the unit's movement speed lower than their minimum movement speed... which sucks entirely.

 

[Eccho]

Ahhh, good observations, I didnt know that. And it seems that blizzard abilities work that way too, thus the only way to stop a unit entirely is with ensnare/entanglingstun.

 

[Kingz]

Related question:
I use set unit movement speed in my triggers, is there a way to prevent the "good" or else "green" leter show when i slow the unit?
It's movement speed is slowed but it shows Very Slow like this:
Very Slow
Can it be changed by triggers?

 

[-Berz-]

So how did i totally stopped the unit just by triggers? It was the steal theme i think. And yes its hard to get it back to "normal" movement speed.

 

[Paladon]

Store the default speed in a variable, manually reduce the movementspeed and restore it, using the variable, later.
Somehow easy

 

[-Berz-]

@Paladon, have you thought that as you save it into a variable, the units is maybe under effect of stunn/slow?

Edit:

Ah, now i see what are you pointing at, silly me D:

 

[Paladon]

You can save the default (not current) movementspeed. That's no problem.

 

[spiwn]

There already is a default unit movement speed that can be fetched - GetUnitDefaultMoveSpeed(), also available in GUI.
But that is irrelevent. You can do it like this:
Set Unit ms to Current ms * 3 / 5 (40% slow).
Then:
Set Unit ms to Current ms * 5 / 3 (removing the 40% slow).

All other slows boosts are acounted. The only problems with this are: Minor fluctuations( because pcs cannot accurately handle 1/3; and that you have to be careful after respawning not to increase the ms of the unit by accident.

 

[Darkt3mpl3r]

I hope you guys like Tornados