Zombie House V0.6A

[Moderator]

00:32, 19th Jul 2009
ap0calypse: Rejected

Very low quality: the terrain is unacceptable, the heroes, spells and items were all standard (changing models, name and gold-cost isn't counted as "customization" for me).

The map isn't balanced, as the shaman is far more powerful than the other heroes and the humans cannot win if there are 1-2 noobs (while it isn't hard for the undead: upgrade, create units and attack).

For the full review, check post #23.

Oct 26 - Ralle
Set back to rejected until updated on promise of much better quality.
I hope I waste nobody's time.

 

[Somaz]

Not so long ago I wanted to create something like this, with different survivor classes and some awesome triggered skills.

But for the undead team, I wanted them to be AI controled masses of Zombies, and the zombie players would have a hero too.

And WOOT! 56 kb! Finaly someone understands me. Going to try this now and tell you how it sux (or not ).

 

[Eldrazor]

OMFG THIS MAP OWNS. Only I'd have liked some more decoration and more eyecandy etc. And a zombie hero, to make it more fun for the zombies.

 

[Somaz]

Ummm... Actualy this map doesn't own. But also, it doesn't SUCK. That's a good thing.

The first thing I didn't like is how the zombies are made. Spawning so many units is a really bad idea, because zombies aren't controlled by the computer AI, but by players. And newbie or even moderate players don't know how to select more than 12 units. I would suggest making zombies tougher, but reducing their count. The idea of players controlling all those zombies is a bit bad.

Right now the zombie gameplay is very strange. More bad than good. Organising all those units is really hard.

Speaking of AI, there is no AI support, which is really bad since the gameplay is pretty basic and an AI should be easy to implement. Imagine if zombie players leave. What then? If the map had AI support zombie leavers could be replaced by AI's.

Some more points about the map:
-Ghouls are air units, they can fly through walls. Why the fuck?
-The number of items is WAY too low.
-The game doesn't have any frikin hot keys, please fix that.
-My fps became pretty low by mid game. Judging by the level of quality in this map I guess it's safe to assume that point leaks aren't removed in this map. And with a giant ammount of units spawned like that, it's just terrible.

Please try your best to fix everything I have mentioned. Considering this is still an alpha (or beta) it's not THAT bad, but nowhere near "owning".

 

[Eldrazor]

I refer to "owning" as "making me happy" Oh, and if you need any help, you can come to me (for GUI questions). And I'd be glad to help you with the eye candy.

 

[lollol123]

New things I have decided to add

Instead of lowering zombie unit count, I have decided to add in a multicontrol commander unit. Basically completely invisible to Survivors, this unit has the ability "Send Units to this Location". Using this skill, you can target it wherever you want and all the zombies under your control will be ordered to attack-move to that location.

Zombie Heroes that are going to be added:
- Overlord (A Wc3 Felguard captain if you remember).
- Elite Doom Guard (A captain that leads the Doom Guards)
- Crypt Lord (I hope you remember this -.-)

New Items:
- Super Health Potion (Heals 300 hp, 4 gold)
- Searing Blade (Gives chance to critical, 5 gold)
- Orb of Flame (Adds AOE dmg to heroes, 3 gold)
- The Orb of the Fallen Angel (Adds 40% lifesteal, 40 gold (wowzors))
- Fangblade (Adds +50 damage, 20 gold (Dang))
- Armor of the Leader of Destiny (Adds +15 armor, 20 gold(Dang again))

Hotkeys, more doodads, and AI will be added (AI for zombies only though...)

Also if anyone actually wants it, I'll add a "Wuss" difficult mode where survivors get 5 gold income and undead get 1.



Version 3.0A Fix will released soon with some of the new units and items I promised along with glitch changes (Thanks to Somaz for the heads up about the barricades, that problem has been fixed). Everything else that had not be included in 3.0A Fix will be added in 4.0A.

The Knight hero has been cancelled.

V 0.31A FIX will be released rather quickly to fix a couple of glitches I missed in 0.3A FIX.

Have fun!



I Love Infernals!!!!

HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR SOMEONE TO REVIEW SOMETHING????

 

[Somaz]

If you make everything you have mentioned, it'll be awesome. Yeah, the survivors don't need an AI. As for the hotkeys I remember that Bloodlust had a hotkey "B", and when I pressed B it turned out that B is the hotkey for Teleport Stone.

Don't forget to remove point leaks.


Also a thing I found troublesome, is that you can build barricades on cliffs. That allows you to reveal some higher places on the map and so that you can teleport there. If not for flying ghouls, survivors would have been invincible up there. A good thing is that most of the upper places are bordered ^^

Fixe the pathing
Good luck.

Edit: I don't know about Wuss (I believe it would be WAY too easy), but what about adding a Random difficulty ??

 

[Khaine]

Great mini-game/survival map

All in all great map
Maybe you can add custom models f.ex. for the shop-> and maybe a warning that the towers outside kill the survivors very fast
And I see that you have some good ideas for updates

Keep up the good work!

 

[Eldrazor]

1. Make a message for the zombies with a ping that they have to upgrade their units OR make upgrades automatic. Because now most games are pretty easy because enemies don't upgrade units, and when they start noticing, they get a huge lot stronger in a short time.
2. Fix the hotkey bug blink/bloodlust.
3. Don't add wuss, unless you make sth that picks the host and make him pick difficulty instead of red.
4. Don't make ghouls fly, I think the pathing that it flies is very nice, but it shouldn't be in the air. Just make him walk through barricades then.
5. This game needs undead HEROES, that gain xp over time (like 250 xp per min). I do think you should keep the bosses though, but heroes for the undead would make the game more fun to play as undead.
6. Me wants banshees.

 

[Somaz]

Why call a version FIX ?

Ok tested it and it still has many problems.
First that comes to mind is that the Send Units ability has hotkey "S". Man do you test your map before you upload it ? S is the hotkey for Stop. Also add a hotkey for Summon Zombies.

Aside from send units I suggest you add an ability "attack target" where all your units are ordered to attack something.

A thing that I noticed is that both siering blade and orb of fire deal splash damage.

Also maybe add an ability "Send Closest" that sends all unit within say, 1000-2000 range at the target location. Also why make Send Units an AoE ability ? Make it targeted and DON'T order the ghost itself to move

If you want I could help you with your map, remove some leaks and stuff. I don't want any credits for that ^^

 

[Eldrazor]

You should really fix hotkeys. In a split-second game like this, hotkeys are very important.

 

[lollol123]

AH ****ing computer linksys

Recently my internet is not working, and my computer is also crashing. The crashing (the blue screen of death) has prevented me to work on my map. The problem is my wireless internet router that came from linksys. I have experienced this problem before because the linksys program altered some windows files preventing my computer to start, but I could fix it with a quick Microsoft update. Problem is my internet won't work cause linksys supplies it and linksys doesnt work. CRAP. Sorry people, you might have to wait a bit before I update the map.

Stupid Linksys...

No internet = no microsoft update = no fixing computer -.-

I did this post from a public computer in a library -.-
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Screw every thing I just said in this post. Problem has been fixed.

 

[lollol123]

V 0.4a

Version 0.4A will arrive probably around Thursday (Mar 19) or Friday (Mar 20).

This version will finally herald the arrival of the undead heroes!!!

*See previous tab for heroes.

Due to scheduling issues, I will release the new undead units and survivor heroes at a later time.

The Ogre Warrior will also be changed since he kind of sucks.

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V 0.4A will be pushed back due to ummm scheduling problems. Some gamebalances will be issued for reduce lag ingame. This will be done by doubling the spawn time for all undead units, but making them twice as strong.

 

[Eldrazor]

Yaay! UNDEAD HEROES! Oh, and you should give small passive bonusses to undead units, like evolved zombie evasion, crypt fiend critical strike, etc. Ofcourse you shouldn't give them much power, like evasion is 2.5% and critical strike is 5% for 1.5x dmg, etc. Oh, and in last version the goblin boss ultimate was bugged, you couldn't make it because it wasn't a building. (you couldn't continue building it)

 

[lollol123]

goblin big boss ult?

wait which skill r u talking about? The heroes dont have ultimate skills.

 

[lollol123]

Goblin Big Boss BUILD

OOOHHHHH

Where you talking about when the Goblin Big boss tried to build a Goblin Missle Turret? If so, then I already fixed it. The problem persists in V3.5A, but due to the gargoyles targeted as air and the problem you mentioned, I quickly released 3.7A to fix the problems.

But you can forget that problem now since the game is up to V5.2A!!

 

[Eldrazor]

Yeesh... I'd really love to play it but I can't host right now

 

[Somaz]

I can ^^

 

[lulol]

a Really great map
Nice terraining, nice hero ability...

it's a short and intense map.

5/5 ! plz do a better terrain !

 

[lollol123]

I have some people telling me that the undead heroes are unbalanced. Do you agree? Also if anyone notices there is some lag when an undead player uses all units move command, I'll fix that. I wasn't sure if I included a fix in that trigger in 5.2A. I'm working on the next version, and also a new zombie and mutant related map.

 

[lulol]

i agree, undead heros aren't balanced

they aren't really funny, and they are easy to kill alone but with support they are a nightmare.

Noob attackers never use their gold... find a solution ! (maybe an auto-upgrade when their gold reach 10 ?)
I think Infernal isn't balanced. he may have an highter cooldown.
New undead player usually don't see and don't use their ghost, may you do something for that ?

Why do you use this cliff model for a house ? it's strange .

After playing this map 10 times i see the third floor. Ping him on the minimap !

Goblin turret have a low wood cost. increase it plz, it's not funny to play when defender are massing turret.

Ps: sorry for my english, i'm not very good. if you don't understand one(or more)of my questions i will edit them
!!

 

[lollol123]

Why do you use this cliff model for a house ? it's strange .

The reason I use the cliff is because it works as both a sightblocker and a wall. Making a hill doesn't work because units walk right over it. Doodads don't work because none are large enough to show you that your hero is inside a building.

 

[ap0calypse]

HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR SOMEONE TO REVIEW SOMETHING????

Knowing how many maps still need to be reviewed? A very long time, don't complain about it.

Review:

Review

General: (Rating: 3/5)

• This is a very simply-made game.
• I don't like protected maps of this kind: when your map isn't really good, try not to protect it (optimizing is allowed, of course).
• The file size is very good.
• The description is good, but can be more appealing (use BB-codes on the hive, use more structure in-game).

Gameplay: (Rating: 2/10)

• There was no originality here whatsoever: you are a human trying to survive waves of undead, until you are saved by reinforcements.
• You can teleport between different 'floors' with the spell.
• The shade's abilities don't always work, or sometimes don't pick all your units.

Terrain: (Rating: 1/10)

• Lack of proper doodads.
• Lack of terrain variation.
• Blizzard cliffs for walls, which creates an ugly atmoshpere.
• The terrain didn't fit te map style (in my opinion).
• no terrain height variation.

Objects: (Rating: 1/10)

• Standard spells
• Standard items
• Standard hero proper names (footman = paladin for example).
• The shaman's spells are imba. (me vs 2 comps: about 4200 points... without cheats).
• The vampiric-orb tooltip says "When wearing this mask ...".
• There are only a few items.

The overall quality of this map is low.
The terrain is unacceptable and there is no originality in the gameplay.
The objects are standard, but with some changed models/names (though the hero proper names haven't been changed).
The adv. interface/gameplay constants haven't been changed.

I wouldn't be surprised if the triggers leak and are inefficient (actually: you've said yourself that the triggers leak, with this sentece: "this can cause lag lategame").


Rating: 1/5
Rejected

If anyone has any comments about my review, point them out and I'll discuss them.
If you feel offended by this review, try to look at it as constructive critiscism (which it is).

 

[lollol123]

lol?
Note the earlier thing about how long it takes to review a map. I was joking by the way, I understand how many maps, models, skins, packs, tools, etc. you guys have to review on a constant basis. Don't take it seriously.

Also I didn't intend for this map to be a super hit. The main reason I made this map is because usually when I have a 40 minute lunch break, I don't have time for most Warcraft 3 games (and I got tired of Ladder way back). This map plays for 10 minutes, perfect for my schedule.

I didn't intend for this map to be awesome beyond belief or for it to be incredibly original. I just wanted this map to be fun. Many people do find this map fun and they ignore the problems.

Note it's not actually rigged, it's just the problem of playing singleplayer and facing a computer that hasn't been programmed to gather troops and atttack you and upgrade their units and properly use their heroes (or get one for that matter).

I originally planned to use doodad walls models from hive, but i couldn't find any that would fit perfectly as a wall and be a good size to show that you are in a really big house with zombies pouring through all the doors and holes in the walls. That's why I used cliffs (trust me I hated using cliffs too).

The main reason I protected the map is because during my earlier beta tests public, I found that a couple days after someone was hosting my map, where the host had a hero with 500 str, 500 agi, and 500 int. He completely removed the anti-camping Spirit towers outside the house, and proceeded to teamkill his teammates (including me) and the undead.

Main point is the sole point of my map is for quick fun, not for mindblowing awesomeness or orginality. People had fun with my map, and so did I (also fitting within my time schedule). Don't knock something so hard which is meant to be a small project (it specifically says this is a minigame in the loading screen).

I usually work on this map whenever I have the time (took me a month and a half to go from one version to the next). Also note I just realized my map was rejected couple of days ago when you reviewed it a few months ago.

 

[ap0calypse]

Yeah, but I look at the map's quality: the hive is for maps of an avarage quality.
The terrain and objects (spells, heroes, units) just aren't good enough for it to be approved, even if a lot of people like the map :/

It seems like you don't have much time, but you can at least try to modify the objects and improve the terrain.

I review every map the same way, whether it's a small project, made by a newb or a professional map, a judgement shouldn't be based on loose facts.
I didn't try to knock down your map, I (as a critic) tried to tell you what's wrong with it.
Minigames are accepted, as long as their quality is decent.

Anyway, have fun updating/playing the map.

 

[lollol123]

Not true actually for game balancing :/. my entire team was composed of noobs and the undead players were people who played the game alot. I led the team to victory

Also strangely, I thought the troll was the most powerful (if used right)...