What are Buffs and Effects

[Just call me Js]

I just want to know what are buff's and effects?
I tried making a custom buff.
The buff seem to have no use and does not do anything.
I am confused about what the buff is and what effect is.
Thanks to anyone who helps me clear up my confusion.

 

[donut3.5]

Buffs are mainly just infocards and visual displays, as well as to check whether or not the spell is still in effect. Buffs wont do anything on their own. (except for maybe the exception of cold arrow effects and such and stun (pause), but not sure on those)
--donut3.5--

 

[PurplePoot]

No, buffs do nothing on their own, they just are placeholders to tell you what ability is in effect.

Effects are basically special effects, but a custom object has to be used in cases where the spell creates more than one of said effect.

 

[Just call me Js]

so how do i make these buffs do anything? Uing triggers? If so which triggers should i use?

 

[Just_Spectating]

buffs wont do anything. abilities will.

 

[Just call me Js]

buffs wont do anything. abilities will.

so how do i make the unit with a buff get affected by the ability?

 

[Just_Spectating]

what buff are you talking about?

 

[Need_O2]

we have a option called dummy caster that casts an ability to a unit
Dummy unit is an invisible(non modelled) unit with locust and invulnurable ability (set model to ".mdl" this makes it invisible)
Dummies work with triggers
Get help from tutorials for learning more about dummy units

A tutorial from me

This Trigger Creates a dummy unit to cast frost nova to a unit that enters a region (you can use this for slowing)
Requirements:
An unmodelled Dummy unit with "Locust", "Invulnurable (Neutral)" and "Frost Nova (Neutral Hostile)" abilities (modify frost nova to make mana cost 0 so dummy can cast it and set damage to 0 if you only want to slow)

• Dummy Unit
  • Events
    • Unit - A unit enters <Location You Want>
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Unit - Create 1 <Your Dummy Unit> for Neutral Hostile at (Position of (Triggering unit)) facing Default building facing degrees
    • Unit - Add a 1.00 second Generic expiration timer to (Last created unit)
    • Unit - Order (Last created unit) to Undead Lich - Frost Nova (Triggering unit)

Anyway this trigger will cause leak(lag) if you use it too much you may learn how to reduce leaks in further times of your trigger training

And a tip: There is no Unit - Add Buff trigger or something like that. This is the best and eaisiest way I guess it gets easier if you do it with JASS also

 

[YoshiRyu]

And a tip: There is no effect adding trigger in WE and there is no other way to apply effects to units without dummy units I guess

don't trouble him

 

[PurplePoot]

You don't need to add Invulnerable to units with Locust, Need_O2.

 

[busterkomo]

Buffs/Effects are basically eye candy, Although certain ones can be used effectively with triggers(cold arrows, for an example).

 

[Stilljester]

Buff Possiblities

It's true what they're saying - buffs don't do anything, and they are just placeholders. But if you are making custom abilities, it can be very useful to keep tight control of your buffs, because you can assign triggers to check for them.

For instance, this is a neat little combo I've used in the past:

Let's say you're making an RPG and you want the character to be able to sleep to regain health and mana (there are MANY ways to simulate this... but read on). One way is to make a copy of the standard sleep spell, and modify it so that it can only be cast on allies. Give the spell to a building or something where the hero can rest - let's say a tent. Then create a custom buff that the ability can put on the target (In my map, I called it "Resting"). (Note that sleep actually adds 3 buffs - the "stun" and "pause" buffs don't need to be changed, I just replaced the "sleep" with "resting") Now you can create a trigger:

-Every 1 second
-set RestGrp = all units matching condition: (boolean) matching unit has buff "resting"
-pick all units in RestGrp,
-set life of picked = life of picked + 10
-set mana of picked = mana of picked + 10
-destroy RestGrp

Obviously, that is just a shorthand ver of the trigger - you gotta be careful of memory leaks, but there are many in-depth tutorials on that on this fine, fine website.

But the point is, now you have a sleep spell that also heals the target! The normal sleep spell still works normally because it assigns a different buff.

By paying attention to your buffs, you can use triggers to add additional effects to established spells. The sky's really the limit...

 

[Need_O2]

You don't need to add Invulnerable to units with Locust, Need_O2.

Sure I know that already you cant select a non modelled unit with draging or clicking but theres nothing wrong with adding locust

good part of locust is it allows you to select modelled units too
like making scaled special effects (you can use doodas for this too but I like to use units anyway)

 

[YoshiRyu]

no... he said you tha locust "include" invulnerable

 

[Need_O2]

Ups my bad and I know that too
But the tutorial I readed about dummies (it was the worst tutorial Ive ever seen) was telling us to add locust invulnurable and make model none

Anyway we cant attack the locusts in carrion swarm already

The question here is:
Then why did you tell him to add Invulnurable to dummy ?
Answer is:
I dont know :/

 

[Teh_Ephy]

so how do i make the unit with a buff get affected by the ability?

Abilities that have effects over (deal damage, raise defense, etc.) time create buffs, not the other way around. However, if you remove a buff, you also remove any non-triggered effect that the buff was showing to be in effect.

 

[Just call me Js]

so are using abilities the only way to give buffs? How about passive abilities?Are there any passive abilities which gives buffs? Or probably you can add buffs some other way?

 

[YoshiRyu]

Are you talking about buffs (visual candies) or effect (influences on the units)?

 

[Just call me Js]

Are you talking about buffs (visual candies) or effect (influences on the units)?

I was talking abuot buffs yeah.
But i got an extra question you said "effect (influences on the units)?", i thought effect were only eye candy?

 

[YoshiRyu]

term missunderstood
we will both forget buff and effect

and we will talk about : {giving 1 hp every second} and {display light around unit}

are you talking about addind {giving 1 hp every second} or {display light around unit}?

 

[Just call me Js]

I am talking about adding the {dispplay light around unit} and the buff that you can see at the unit's status in game and also the buff that the conditions can check for.

 

[Need_O2]

use an aura then auras always give buff
You can check ability level of an unit too

 

[YoshiRyu]

Need_O2 had a good idea
a 0-range aura will provide you the 3 elements you want : 3D graphic effect, status icon, and a way to check it.

 

[Just call me Js]

use an aura then auras always give buff
You can check ability level of an unit too

Need_O2 had a good idea
a 0-range aura will provide you the 3 elements you want : 3D graphic effect, status icon, and a way to check it.

The aura thing worked! Thanks Yoshiryu and Need_O2
but i couldnt find that check ability level of an unit thing, is it a condition?

 

[YoshiRyu]

but i couldnt find that check ability level of an unit thing, is it a condition?

yes, an integer comparison with "unit - level of ability for unit" on one side

 

[Need_O2]

and boolean comarison "unit - unit has specify"(or whatever it is) buff xD
and if level ability of unit is more then 0 the unit has ability
I use dummy abilities as custom booleans but they say it leaks