Universal Local Fog/Glow/Shadow as a Prop

[stan0033]

non-reforged wc3 doesnt use .dds image, convert to blp

 

[Sapprine]

non-reforged wc3 doesnt use .dds image, convert to blp

That's a myth. Normal SD graphics are fully compatible with .dds format, except on older patches

 

[General Frank]

That's a myth. Normal SD graphics are fully compatible with .dds format, except on older patches

That's true, I can confirm that.
On (most) recent patches .dds and/or .blp redirects internally to the other format.

 

[MWM]

this is so much better than localplayer fog and timers.

 

[Sapprine]

Here's the myth all completed so everyone else can use this great asset too.

You should've asked for my permission before altering my asset, but fair enough. No biggie

 

[Tuwnew]

Too bad it doesn't work on older versions (1.31)

 

[aloH]

I didn't understand how to use it, but it looks great in the screenshots. xD

 

[Sapprine]

I didn't understand how to use it, but it looks great in the screenshots. xD

do you have discord? I can explain you with screenshots how it works in a DM if you want

 

[stan0033]

convert the texture to blp to be comatible with older patches of classic

Review accepted by Footman16

 

[Sapprine]

convert the texture to blp to be comatible with older patches of classic

Review accepted by Footman16

I'm sorry but I edit my textures with Photoshop and use GIMP for file conversion. I personally exclusively work with .dds files, because they work universally for both SD and HD which is very convenient to me, especially for universal models like this. I didn't start modeling/texturing until after reforged dropped so I never learned it any other way. I've never worked with .blp and would probably mess up the texture and rendering and I have no knowledge or desire to fix it.

I've also never worked with any older patches since Reforged came out. This model is made in the Reforged era to be compatible with Reforged, so it seems silly to me to unapprove my model just because of personal preference and because some minority running old patches can't use it. That's like as if you unapprove an SD model from 2008 for being incompatible with HD graphics or something.

If people want to use this on older patches, they are free to fix it for themselves, but I'm not going to.

 

[stan0033]

I'm sorry but I edit my textures with Photoshop and use GIMP for file conversion. I personally exclusively work with .dds files, because they work universally for both SD and HD which is very convenient to me, especially for universal models like this. I didn't start modeling/texturing until after reforged dropped so I never learned it any other way. I've never worked with .blp and would probably mess up the texture and rendering and I have no knowledge or desire to fix it.

I've also never worked with any older patches since Reforged came out. This model is made in the Reforged era to be compatible with Reforged, so it seems silly to me to unapprove my model just because of personal preference and because some minority running old patches can't use it. That's like as if you unapprove an SD model from 2008 for being incompatible with HD graphics or something.

If people who want to use this on older patches, they are free to fix it for themselves, but I'm not going to.

you are in the SD section, it must be compatible with classic as well. You can use BLP Lab v0.5.0 to convert

 

[tillinghast]

i question why custom texture is even necessary here
here it is with Textures\GenericGlow64.blp, additive filtering and 0.25 alpha, in-game 255/255/255 tinting, scaled up to 5
you can even make several versions by changing the alpha's intensity instead of having one that's barely noticeable

if there is some issue with additive filtering that i'm not aware of, you can try using Textures\GenericGlow1.blp with blend filtering and less than 1 alpha
if you use blizzard textures then you won't have to convert anything yourself too, just have versions with .dds for reforged and .blp for normal warcraft

 

[deepstrasz]

you are in the SD section, it must be compatible with classic as well. You can use BLP Lab v0.5.0 to convert

Technically, the rules only mention the type of .dds for Reforged models. There is no explicit mention of .blp for Classic ones.

Resource Submission Rules (Models, skins, icons, spells & systems)

Resource Submission Rules (Models, skins, icons, spells & systems) Users can upload resources to Hive's resource sections. Resources are marked as pending until a resource moderator or reviewer checks it out. The resource is fully visible and downloadable by everyone until that happens...

www.hiveworkshop.com

 

[stan0033]

Alrighty if the debate about DDS is such big deal for y'all I'll leave this bundle to some other reviewer....
It's faster to argue than to fix right

 

[Footman16]

There's no debate here, it should be .blp for compatibility. It takes 2 seconds.

If people want to use this on older patches, they are free to fix it for themselves, but I'm not going to.

That's not how things work, I would advise against refusing co-operation.

 

[General Frank]

i question why custom texture is even necessary here
here it is with Textures\GenericGlow64.blp, additive filtering and 0.25 alpha, in-game 255/255/255 tinting, scaled up to 5
you can even make several versions by changing the alpha's intensity instead of having one that's barely noticeable
View attachment 597403
if there is some issue with additive filtering that i'm not aware of, you can try using Textures\GenericGlow1.blp with blend filtering and less than 1 alpha
if you use blizzard textures then you won't have to convert anything yourself too, just have versions with .dds for reforged and .blp for normal warcraft

I think this might be the best solution and would just circumvent the entire non-arguement with the .dds/.blp

 

[deepstrasz]

There's no debate here, it should be .blp for compatibility. It takes 2 seconds.

That should work two ways, meaning for the users too if they need it if it's that easy and since the rules don't specify it but for some reason it is enforced.

 

[General Frank]

That should work two ways, meaning for the users too if they need it if it's that easy and since the rules don't specify it but for some reason it is enforced.

You are right, there is no rule or guideline for that.

 

[AdinizWarcraft]

Left: DDS
Right: BLP

I don't agree with the Hive catering exclusively to players playing on the latest version, so here you go:
(p.s., this literally took me less than 2 minutes to do. If we cannot ask of this basic principle of our modellers, we have a problem lol)

 

[Sapprine]

View attachment 597425
Left: DDS
Right: BLP

I don't agree with the Hive catering exclusively to players playing on the latest version, so here you go:
(p.s., this literally took me less than 2 minutes to do. If we cannot ask of this basic principle of our modellers, we have a problem lol)

You can't blame me for this, I have no idea how blp works as I didn't start modeling until abouts 2021, also never worked with older patches. I guess at least some people running legacy or whatever can use it now, but I won't be providing bug fixes or support for any issues with this legacy variant, though.

If this is such a big deal to everyone why not make it an official site rule and put a required "Insert Legacy variant/BLP" on the upload page for SD models? Such a hassle to backpedal on this, I don't want to throw some random .exe file from 2009 on my PC just to crap a file that's useless to me anyway. Or add a .dds/.png to .BLP coverter on the site under the "Utility" tab? Idk this whole thing feels archaic to me.

 

[AdinizWarcraft]

You can't blame me for this, I have no idea how blp works as I didn't start modeling until abouts 2021, also never worked with older patches. I guess at least some people running legacy or whatever can use it now, but I won't be providing bug fixes or support for any issues with this legacy variant, though.

If this is such a big deal to everyone why not make it an official site rule and put a required "Insert Legacy variant/BLP" on the upload page for SD models? Such a hassle to backpedal on this, I don't want to throw some random .exe file from 2009 on my PC just to crap a file that's useless to me anyway. Or add a .dds/.png to .BLP coverter on the site under the "Utility" tab? Idk this whole thing feels archaic to me.

It's an image format.

 

[Ralle]

I set it back to pending - perhaps a bit quick. I will sit down with @Archian tonight and talk this over. Initially I think the decision about backwards compatibility should be up to the author, but I can see the benefits of requiring BLP as well for legacy-compatible things.

A thought. MDX1200 format and earlier are not legacy compatible anyway, so should people be prevented from using those too for SD? I think that is kind of too strict. And if stan Sapprine happens to be using a recent MDX format, will be also be asked to use an older one?

 

[stan0033]

I set it back to pending - perhaps a bit quick. I will sit down with @Archian tonight and talk this over. Initially I think the decision about backwards compatibility should be up to the author, but I can see the benefits of requiring BLP as well for legacy-compatible things.

A thought. MDX1200 format and earlier are not legacy compatible anyway, so should people be prevented from using those too for SD? I think that is kind of too strict. And if stan Sapprine happens to be using a recent MDX format, will be also be asked to use an older one?

i think BLP is de facto standard for textures in SD war3 and it's a fact that older 3d modelling app like wa3ME 1.07 and MDLVIS and War3Tuner cant read DDS. So if a reviewer is inspecting a model he has to use RMS or the newer War3ME. So it's also about third party tools compatibility.
I wonder what would be the reaction of members if the rules started allowing DDS officially for SD models and the SD models section fills with those.

 

[General Frank]

We already allow using .dds, uploaders just make others aware that it is for the SD reforged version of the game.

 

[Jaccouille]

A thought. MDX1200 format and earlier are not legacy compatible anyway, so should people be prevented from using those too for SD? I think that is kind of too strict. And if stan Sapprine happens to be using a recent MDX format, will be also be asked to use an older one?

There is no reason to save your model in MDX1200 format instead of MDX900 for SD anyway, is there?

 

[General Frank]

There is no reason to save your model in MDX1200 format instead of MDX900 for SD anyway, is there?

It would be MDX800, but no, there ain't.

 

[Ralle]

I talked to Archian. We've decided to stick with the rules we currently have. An upload must support the latest version of Warcraft 3, this is Reforged. So it is @Sapprine's decision whether he wants to use BLP or DDS. Both are valid in Warcraft 3.

Sapprine only deals with the latest version of Warcraft and it doesn't make sense to belabor him with the past. If he doesn't care about legacy, it shouldn't hamper his joy of sharing a perfectly working SD model.

That said, people make a good case for submitting it with a BLP, but that will be Sapprine's decision to make. The SD section is for the SD graphics mode in Warcraft 3, not for legacy versions of Warcraft 3 per se. It's a good alternative that someone uploads a legacy compatible version if someone needs it.

Also, it's fine to advice the uploader of ways to maximize compatibility with old versions, but it shouldn't be a requirement.

EDIT: I actually don't see in the rules about supporting the most recent version of Warcraft, but it's been discussed many times in the past. I have added it to the rules.

 

[stan0033]

Okay now that Ralle clearly made the usage of .DDS texture "Not recommended but allowed." in the rules, that model can be approved. Simple and useful prop.

Review accepted by Footman16