Time Lapse

[Vinz]

So how did DotA do Time Lapse?

Unit Indexer, yeah. However, the time. I just can't think of how.
UnitData as index, TimeIndex(+1 every second, new value), etc..

So in this instance, how do we store data into TimeIndex? For all the units? Double array? Hash?

 

[chobibo]

What's time lapse? Sorry I can't get to playdota's website, shared ISP IP ban.

 

[Vinz]

Get back in time, 5 seconds, same HP and Mana. I truly think it is MUI but I haven't tested with WTF. (Not that doing that proves its MUI-ness, but sometimes it does. Or maybe it wasn't at all. /Confused/)

 

[chobibo]

Ah! you need a timer for that, and a struct. Store the unit, unit x and y coordinate, life, mana.
EDIT: sorry I wasn't thinking right, you were asking for a specific system assistance. I actually don't know how to use those.

 

[IcemanBo]

Store HP and Mana into reals[array] and refresh their values e.g each 0.1 seconds (increasing index --> new value), so you can just set unit's hp to hp[current_index - current_index-50) same with mana. (50 in this case with 0.1)

But you would have to reset the index after a while that you dont hit the limit.
If you do so, it may be the case that the current index <50, so it would use an array <0 --> you have to fix this with subtract the overhang of the old index limit

 

[Vinz]

I was asking for more units than one?

 

[chobibo]

I think you'll need a list for that, and just limit your minimum number of saves and save intervals (6 saves per minute).

 

[IcemanBo]

Why you need this for ALL units?

 

[Malhorne]

Locust them disable attack store hp and mana and at the end set all like at the begginning.

 

[axleion]

assuming you already understand how to deal with timer and saving data in each interval, to apply the saving to more than one unit, you can either use (vJASS way) struct for each unit to save the value for the respective unit, or you can use (non vJASS way) hashtable to store the value for each unit. to use hashtable, you can use GetHandleId, combined with StringHash and I2S(index) to save value for each time period.

however, if you decided to use hashtable and stringhash, you might want to read this, and this too as precaution.

 

[Radicool]

Doesn't Time Lapse also revert the unit's position and buffs? The concept of the spell is to revert the unit back in time by x seconds (based on level).

So this means hp, mana, position, negative buffs, etc. Position sounds the same as hp in terms of difficulty. How do you record buffs? Maybe you shouldn't worry about that?

 

[axleion]

Doesn't Time Lapse also revert the unit's position and buffs? The concept of the spell is to revert the unit back in time by x seconds (based on level).

So this means hp, mana, position, negative buffs, etc. Position sounds the same as hp in terms of difficulty. How do you record buffs? Maybe you shouldn't worry about that?

refer to the playdota hero page for detail, it removes negative buffs only, positive buff is kept, and no buff is restored if previously affected.

 

[Lambdadelta]

Time Lapse description for those who didn't read it in the OP link:

Warps the Weaver 5 seconds back in time, resetting the HP, Mana and position. Does not affect cooldown, gold or experience.

 

[Vinz]

Why you need this for ALL units?

To me, something non-MUI is unacceptable. And I just think that DotA didn't do it non-MUI.

assuming you already understand how to deal with timer and saving data in each interval, to apply the saving to more than one unit, you can either use (vJASS way) struct for each unit to save the value for the respective unit, or you can use (non vJASS way) hashtable to store the value for each unit. to use hashtable, you can use GetHandleId, combined with StringHash and I2S(index) to save value for each time period.

however, if you decided to use hashtable and stringhash, you might want to read this, and this too as precaution.

I guess I'll stay with hashtables.

Thank you for the replies.

 

[Arhowk]

To me, something non-MUI is unacceptable. And I just think that DotA didn't do it non-MUI.

I guess I'll stay with hashtables.

Thank you for the replies.

Everything in dota is MPI.

 

[Vinz]

Really?

 

[Arhowk]

Really?

Yes.

MPI stands for Multi Player Instanceability. MUI stands for Multi Unit Instanceability. The difference is its one per player for MPI, one per every unit in MUI. Generally, MPI is alot faster because it doesn't allow indexing, people complain when DotA lags so they have to keep the lag to a minimum so they only do MPI per player for every hero.

 

[Vinz]

So you're saying that everything in DotA is MPI?

 

[Radicool]

So you're saying that everything in DotA is MPI?

Wtf. Do I have to count how many times the guy said dota is MPI for you?

 

[Vinz]

I was asking if things like Sunstrike were MPI.

Generally, MPI is alot faster because it doesn't allow indexing,

But how about Tornado? It's a line damage and cyclones enemies hit. And last time I tried it with WTF, it worked with multiple casts. I think it's triggered.

 

[Arhowk]

I was asking if things like Sunstrike were MPI.

But how about Tornado? It's a line damage and cyclones enemies hit. And last time I tried it with WTF, it worked with multiple casts. I think it's triggered.

something can be MPI and multicastable

idk wtf sunstrike is

 

[Vinz]

something can be MPI and multicastable

Without indexing?

 

[chobibo]

Without indexing?

Hashtables, maybe. The old open dota map used gamecache.

 

[FUJI]

Hashtables can do a time lapsed, by saving life ( Life of DesiredUnit ), saving mana ( Mana of Unit ), and of course by saving unit position. And Store the unit in to the group and make a duration of the warp execution, decrease it in a loop, then Make an ITE Condition if duration <= or less than 0.00, after that Load a saved location then move a unit to that location, load a saved life and mana of a triggering unit then use that in SetWidgetLife or SetLife of triggering unit to ( ... ). Done!.

 

[axleion]

if you look into the released script provided in playdota site, you can tell all skills is made to be MUI or MPI at least.

I don't see why posts above need to argue about Dota's spells being MUI/MPI/whatever, if you can and want make it MUI/better then do so, no need to do it just because Dota do it like that too.

 

[Rheiko]

if you make a spell for your own map, MPI or not MUI is acceptable
but if you want to submit it to hive, of course it must be MUI/MPI

 

[chobibo]

They weren't arguing, Wrathion just couldn't believe what he read lol XD.