The Allinace

[Fussiler1]

Well..
Goblins got their intelligence from the Ka'jamite. I believe in the very early past they were slaves of the Trolls and developed intelligence. Drove out the trolls and such.. they even had a civilization that was far beyond Dwarven-Technology nowadays. But meh, ka'jamite went up and their brains shrinked. Now they're desperately searching for Ka'jamite.

 

[AIagremm]

They were searching for Kajamite after they got free, but since then they almost forgot about it. The technology and civilization goblins have today is only a shadow of their former glory.
However it seems that in the goblin starting zone in Cataclysm(Lost Isles), they will find Kajamite. Rumors say that it will be used by... intelligent monkeys! I think thats a reference to da human!

 

[VeljkoM]

Maybe they would get even more insane if that is possible.

 

[AIagremm]

No, maybe they will become normal. The only thing that stopped them from becoming great was their greed.

 

[VeljkoM]

And insanity. Just ask survivors of second war both Horde and Alliance. Goblin and normal is like cold fire or normal lore.

 

[AIagremm]

xD But insanity is actually one of their best features, unlike greed

 

[VeljkoM]

^^ It is why I like them. Oh I remember times in warcraft 2 and 3 when i would bombard my enemy with army of sappers. They are so loyal...

 

[AIagremm]

They are so greedy. They've done it only for cash from the orcs.

 

[VeljkoM]

Nah they saw orcs as investment. Plundering human nations was pretty tempting. Even I can't resist.

 

[AIagremm]

I would like to create my own human kingdom... maybe in restored Draenor?

 

[VeljkoM]

Then we can destroy it again. But don't humans need to save their own lands first? You can't move people to the other planets to make them live there.

 

[AIagremm]

Oh yes I can! Plus, what about the Scourge, burning legion? Ok, burning legion can get you in both places, and scourge... well it is a good reason to go to Draenor. And especially since if Cataclysm(here's a reason already) continues and Old Gods get free. Draenor be da safest place if we fix it.

 

[VeljkoM]

Well I was thinking of humans from normal lore not wow (yea for some reason we have section for it separately). You know lore where Azeroth exist. Dreanor is less safer since demons regularly go there. It is time go to next planet and hope Blizz won't overload it again.

 

[AIagremm]

New planet? Hm... homeworld of the worgen? >

 

[Fussiler1]

You'll fight then against the Emerald Legion.

 

[AIagremm]

Lords of Emerald Flame actually. No one knows who they are. Green dragons? Demons? Old Gods?
I also think that gnolls may originate from that world as well.

 

[Mr.Chaos]

The Gnomes should be the leader for Stormwind! Without them the alliance would fail! Without their machines they would live in jail, the orcs would burn Stormwind 'till the ground. But of course The Argent Dawn are the cool guys

 

[trolman]

Gnomes?But you olnly see them in the steam tanks and in the flying machine,tnx god there are no starcraft ghosts in warcraft or the gnomes would be usless.

 

[AIagremm]

Alliance survived(partially) the Third War without gnomes, plus dwarves created their own technologies for Alliance!

 

[StormWarriors2]

Where did that come from?

 

[AIagremm]

Gnomes werent helping the Alliance in the Third War, they were fighting troggs in Gnomeregan.
Dwarves created their own technologies, however as most other dwarven technologies they were based on gnomish tech.

 

[VeljkoM]

Heh most people didn't even know until wow that gnomes were part of Alliance.

 

[AIagremm]

Most people think that Alliance is "Duh. That thing you choose a race from to play that are goodies, but Horde is also goodies, but Alliance think Horde are baddies!"

 

[Fussiler1]

Not without a good reason, z.z

 

[StormWarriors2]

Racist!

 

[Fussiler1]

Warhammerist!

 

[Phoonix]

there is no good or evil. everyone thinks they are doing good from there point of view.

 

[Fussiler1]

Even the Scourge? z/z

 

[AIagremm]

Or Legion. But the Old Gods are born to do evil, they are avatars of primordial chaos.

 

[Phoonix]

no first of all most things in the legion are mindless beasts or controlled by some bugge creature that n it's own also is controlled by someone. and i bet that when you look from a legion agents point of vieuw you are doing good now evil. same whit scourge.

 

[AIagremm]

I have to disagree. Yes he Legion believes that they are doing the right thing, but the Scourge knows what its doing.

 

[VeljkoM]

Legion are classic demons. They believe that destruction of universe is required so the new and better (their) world would be born.

 

[Phoonix]

correction Alagremm Arthas/Nerzul knows what he is doing the rest are mindless freaks. even his Death knights are controlled.

 

[AIagremm]

Yes, however the Scourge is the Lich King.

 

[Phoonix]

yes and The lich king does not do the things he do to be evil. he does it to escape from the burning legion. you seem to forget that Kil'jeaden wants the lich king dead his own creation. the lich king wants to escape that fate and is now doing what he thinks is the right way to do that.

 

[trolman]

thats so selfish,wasting the lifes of milions just to save your own

 

[Phoonix]

that is how it is and he does not think about their lifes. he is selfish but still thinks he is doing good by having it his way.

 

[VeljkoM]

Necromancers and acolytes have free will since they are alive. Some scourge undead have limited free will. Only creatures like abominations, ghouls and creatures like that lack intelligence.

 

[Phoonix]

ah that is another story, Necromancers seek to gain the power of the dead, they don't want to stay in their human form. They want to evolve, you can probably already see where this is going. Yes they want to become liches. in fact some necromancers have the power to become a lich for a short amount of time. Now you could ask why the heck would you want to be a lich. The answer is simple, mortality. Yes every Lich has an amulet and this amulet contains it's soul. aslong as the amulet is intact the lich will ALWAYS regenerate. I'm guesing the Lich king didn't have an amulet but a sword and an armor. yes Frostmourne and his Legendary crown.

 

[VeljkoM]

You know that definition of lich is "skeleton that has intelligence and can use magic".

But in Warcraft case most of the Liches are actually former death knights that were in service of the horde. (with some special cases like Kel'thuzad).

Eather way they have will at some degree.

 

[Phoonix]

at some degree that is where it hits the spot. and nowadays it's not Death knights anymore. the most favorite candidates for Liches nowadays are Necromancers. remember The lich king lost allot of his loyal Death knights wen the Ebon blade broke free.

 

[VeljkoM]

I kinda don't track wow lore. I thought only some death knights left not all.

 

[Phoonix]

Alot of them left. even Highlord Darion Mograine.

 

[VeljkoM]

For a ultimate undead controlling being Ner'zhul left to many free wiled undead. There are no more good days when orcs and undead were evil and alliance was good...To bad warcraft 2 doesn't have advanced engine.

 

[StormWarriors2]

:*(. I have the game but i can't play it.

 

[AIagremm]

The amulet is called phylactery. It contains one's soul.
Liches were created from Nerzhul's chosen warlocks, who he has taken with him when he stepped in the portal.

Many death knights were freed in the Battle of Light's Hope. That holy place was supposed to kill them, but the death knights were freed instead.

 

[Phoonix]

yes and by many we mean thousands of them.

 

[Fussiler1]

Thousands.. weeee...
The Scourge is tremendously large.
And how can you call Arthas/Ner'zhul selfish?
If Ner'zhul was selfish, he wouldn't warned the Frostwolves about the corruption and saved the entire Orcish race?
If Arthas was selfish, he wouldn't really have cared about the rest of the world and already overrun it?

 

[Phoonix]

thats the point he doesn't care about the rest of the world... arthas is gone Ner'zul is gone none of both are there anymore they MERGED they became a new entity.

 

[AIagremm]

Actually they didnt compeltely merge. Soon Arthas overwhlemed Nerzhul and banished him somewhere. Right now Arthas is the Lich King.
And only a small part of his soul left stops im from destroying Azeroth... which actually explains why he hasnt done it yet.