The Allinace

[VeljkoM]

Azerothian geography isn't my strong side ^^;

 

[AIagremm]

But it is mine. Draenorian geography as well.

 

[VeljkoM]

Do you have some good map? There are so many different ones. Strange how world changes in each game.

 

[AIagremm]

You know my Draenor map, I made? I had to do a lot of branestorming to combine Outland and Draenor maps together to make a perfect hybrid. Im going to upgrade it soon, with new zones such as Frostwolf Mountains.

 

[VeljkoM]

Ok but how about Azeroth map?

 

[AIagremm]

Do we really need one?

 

[VeljkoM]

Well it would be nice. At least that link to the WoW world map.

 

[AIagremm]

Well, right now maps of Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor are right, I made Draenor map because Draenor from WCII and Outland from WoW were two completly different things.

 

[VeljkoM]

There is no Dreanor in WoW only Outland which is just piece floating in space. It is smaller then Northrend.

 

[AIagremm]

I still hope that Titans will find a way to "repair" Draenor.

 

[VeljkoM]

Well I wish that WoW didn't exist but we all have to live with disappointment. Maybe in Warcraft 5 million?

 

[AIagremm]

I hope Draenor never got destroyed in the first place.
The rifts could have poured the planet into the Nether, but left it be, only with minor damage, and it would return to material plane soon.

 

[VeljkoM]

Better worry what happened with all those pieces of Dreanor that are sucked in somewhere. Maybe some collided with planets like asteroids?

 

[AIagremm]

I imagine some pieces of Draenor being united by native creatures into one, using magic, shamanism and stuff.
I always was interested in other continents of Draenor. Maybe there were other races, or even titan ruins there. Who knows what wonders were there... or in the sea.

 

[VeljkoM]

There were many races that we can't even imagine (Garona and Guldan didn't said which exactly). But it is impassible to fix Dreanor since there is no way to gather all pieces.

 

[AIagremm]

Titans could do some fancy "essence of metal, stone and water" thingy and rebuild the core of the planet, its important that they create only the underwater parts, and try to put the shattered continents on their places.

 

[VeljkoM]

But who would drag piece of planet from other side of universe? Or how would they reassemble ocean? And they need to be alive also.

 

[AIagremm]

Titans still exist. I dont think that other parts of Draenor are too far.
And they would create new ocean, as well as most of the planet, except the continents.

 

[VeljkoM]

They act dead. They are probably on some new planet saying "screw Azeroth, we have rest of universe"
May I remind you that millions of portals were open. Only known are to Azeroth (who know how much far is Zeroth really) and twisted nether (nice place to visit).

 

[AIagremm]

There are portals to Twisting Nether and Outland in Azeroth, and portals to Xoroth and possibly even Argus in Outland.

 

[VeljkoM]

That still doesn't show the actual distance (and Argus is maybe destroyed also). And we are kinda off topic. This is alliance place.

 

[AIagremm]

Indeed. And yes, Argus may be destroyed.

I still like Alterac, when it wasnt ruled by that idiot king, who betrayed Allaince.

 

[VeljkoM]

Well look at this way. They are first humans to work with orcs.

 

[AIagremm]

They are still idiots. Alterac would have easily survived the Second War... at least alteracians. Couldnt they work with dwarves? Both live in mountains.

 

[VeljkoM]

They did survive. They are today known as bandits.

 

[AIagremm]

I mean they would survive as a nation, and would most likely rebuild Alterac, if it was destroyed by orcs.

 

[VeljkoM]

Duno why didn't do it in post second war. They had a chance.

 

[AIagremm]

Because Alterac was under control of Lordaeron and Stromgarde, who were trying to control it, and get it under full control of one of them.
However after that Syndicate wasnt powerful enough to retake all of the mountains and capital ruins, so they allied with Shadow council and demons. I would try to make a final blow and recreate Alterac kingdom, or come to other nations and ask for help and allegince, to redeem themselves.

 

[VeljkoM]

They didn't ally they just asked Horde to take care of Alliance outposts and return they gave the book. At that moment they should have united and recreate their kingdom.

 

[AIagremm]

Oh right, Beyond the Dark Portal. Yes they should, but back then all the kingdoms were still powerfull and healthy. They would destroy Alterac again.

 

[VeljkoM]

Well there is a thing called diplomacy (but I am not sure if that word is known there).

 

[Misha]

meaning, yes, usage of it, i doubt x]

 

[AIagremm]

Actually humans are considered the most diplomatic race on Azeroth(which I hardly belive after the Third War), but do you think they would let a bunch of traitors, who after they were exiled didnt go to far lands in search of new life, but remained here and ravaged the nearby villages, and now want to rebuild their kingdom, and get their titles and "power" back. Do you really think they would exist more then a week?

 

[AIagremm]

There was an eight kingdom...

 

[VeljkoM]

Well they could do what USA and all great forces do. Make them dependent states.

 

[AIagremm]

Autonomic regions? You mean all human kingdoms united?
Sounds kinda communistish.
"Humans of all the Azeroth, unite!"

 

[VeljkoM]

No I meant Lordearon could put Alterac in their control. Not all kingdoms. Alterac would unfortunately have to obey Lordearon and do only what they approve. Sad but better then dead. Then after many years they would eventually get independence somehow.

Also Horde are communists.

 

[AIagremm]

You are right, however there was one thing that prevented that from happening.
Alterac crisis, was after the Second War when Stromgarde and Lordaeron both wanted Alterac all for themselves. Terenas wanted to make Prestor the king of Alterac, but since he was Deathwing, and soon "disappeared", and kater it was taken by Syndicate.

Did you know that really small, and kinda strange kingdom existed? It was the eight kingdom, which I wouldnt call one.

 

[VeljkoM]

Tol Barad?

And I really need to read some Warcraft novels and not just critics. I have to know my enemy.

 

[AIagremm]

Oh, dont tell me. Naga want to attack Kul Tiras and Tol Barad?
Remember that right now its a prison of horrible creatures.

 

[VeljkoM]

Duno yet. I didn't read one novel based of games. It just unethical to use someone else idea for personal gain and in process ruin story.

And if it isn't Tol Barad which then?

 

[Fussiler1]

I just think it's Tol Barad.

 

[VeljkoM]

How is Khaz Modan "Human" nation.

 

[AIagremm]

Someone called Khaz Modan a human nation? That is just weird.

Tol Barad is actually really strange. Well, I guess Cataclysm will tell us more about Tol Barad.

 

[VeljkoM]

Tol Barad appeared in warcraft 2. And I knew I should have taken picture of your post Fussiler

 

[AIagremm]

Tol Barad is weird. There is no info about it as a kingdom, but there's a little info about it being a symbol of Horde's fury and strenght, then it was made the most horrible prison in Azeroth by Kul Tiras.

 

[VeljkoM]

Before that Stormgrade controlled it. It was a vital point in second war.

 

[AIagremm]

Stromgarde?

 

[VeljkoM]

First Stormgrade controlled it but Horde captured it so they could invade Khaz Modan then Stormgrade, Kul Tiras and Lordearon retook it. I guess Kul Tiras somehow had more influence latter over it. Maybe it was a way to make Kul Tiras rejoin alliance.

 

[AIagremm]

Well in WoW it will be some sort of battleground and daily quest hub mix.
So it will be like Isle of Quel'Danas in some ways, but instead the dungeons there will be battleground. If olny we knew why they came there... Perhaps Cataclysm opened the psion and its dark prisoners are free now.