Stars 1.21 OPEN SOURCE

[Moderator]

23:17, 7th Dec 2009
ap0calypse: Approved

 

[Zelda.Alex]

>Placing credits in the details of the map is good but please include info about the gameplay too. Something more than

A real time space strategy game.

Colonize planets, build ships and buildings, create alliances and destroy your ennemies.

>Also ennemies is mistake.

>Suggested players are 12. Can I play it in single player too?
>You need to give the Type & category of the map in this thread too. It helps.

 

[Kingprice]

Sounds funny i will test it
Can you tell me how to build anything or do something the only thing i can do is attacking meteors and fly arround

 

[takethat]

this is better then galactic conquest, planets have special effect surrounding them making them look more pretty.

planet builds building will automatically orbit the planet over time also is a nice feature,

hyperspace jump also has nice special effect,

the mothership also great, 1 big ship with many small component, looks homeworld2 style...


however, why use the egg model for iron harvesting? what are they? look very wierd to have such thing in space.

laser effect also slower then the impact.

sometimes the orbit defense will overlap with other building like station or dock.

mothership is too fast for a big ship.


many good idea in this map, mothership component is 1 of the best.
but how you reduce the file size with so many import model?

 

[jk2pach]

Well first sorry for bugs. The normal version should be ready tonight.

And thanks a lot to comment that

So:

-First it is not a solo player game. You can test it alone but IA does not work.
-EnNemy: it should be fixed. I already make this mistake *** french language. And there were more than 40 times the name 'enemy' in tips :/
-Thread: fixed.

-Tips: done

>>How get planets?
The Builder shuttle can colonize your first planet. Then, to colonize others, it will need the Colonization upgrade. To colonize, select the builder shuttle and target a planet.

>>How receive ressources?
To gain ressources, build cargos. They can harvest to asteroids and pulsars mines. You will also receive an automatically income which depends on a lot of factors.

>>How invade an enemy planet?
You need an invasion frigate and load troops on it, buy using the training center skills. Then send the frigate on its target and use the Invade ability.

>>How defend my planets and ships from abord/invade skills?
Same: load troops on planets and ships with the train center.

>>How can I repair the MotherShips modules?
When a module of the MS is destroyed, it is repairable by a dock.


>>What is trade?
Players can trade together. To create a trade road: two players must build a freeport with the builder shuttle.
Then you have to send cargos on the other player freeport. Use for that the trade ability. Then cargos will automatically trade between the freeports, like in Age of Empire II. The more far freeports are, the more ressource you will receive. To abort trade, use the Abort Trade ability of the cargo.

-Eggs: rofl=)
Actually i did not found a model of asteroids which is a bit animated, but not as fast as the small meteors which go across the map.

-Laser: i do not understand.

-MS speed: actually if you destroy one of the two motors, it lost 49% of it speed.

-Building overlap: fixed in the next version, I just ended the test^^.

-Size of the map; first W3 Optimizer allows me to gain 250kb with triggers etc... But there is a major bug with this tool, and I ask Vexorian if he could work about. Cause at the moment I can't use the script optimization.
Then, the models: as you see, most are fully displayed with team-colors. All these models are based on the Onslaught by Callahan downloaded there.
I am not good into making models, but his was very simple to change with vertex modify. It use ingame texture, so an average ship model is under 100 ko.

There is otherwise a heavy bug: sometimes the game crashed while loading for some players, as soon as the game is hosted in battlenet with more than 3 players, and I do not foudn wtf. It seems to have a link with the W3 Optimizer bug, so I am waiting the answer of Vexorian. But map starts when the crashed players leave BNet, so I already made lot of tests with alpha version.

Mothership: the idea comes from WarZone 2100, an old strategy game. All units are a 3 part system: corpse, motor and turret. So now I am able, since my Savagery maps (rejected cause the moderator does not trust me when I say it is MY map :/) to use VJass, I simply created an attachement system to link modules to main body, and there was a MotherShip
But it could be so leakless I limit that to one /player (tests have prooved that playing with more than 8 players could be dangerous after one hour of game).

 

[jk2pach]

Map updates directly to 1.01 (because of a mistake i could not upload 1.00 there^^)

Screenshots and update log added.

 

[takethat]

do you mind posting the attachment system? kind of curious how it work XD

still, i think the MS is too fast, since it got hyperspace ability, it can be slower. And when lost its 2 motor, it speed drop to 1% XD (near unmoveable...)

 

[wereguy2]

A very good map, that has a great, dynamic feel to it.
It has a nice tech tree, with plenty of varied units.
The use of size to make units look different worked surprisingly well!
At the start I couldnt find a planet, maybe you should ping the closest planet to each player at the beginning on the game.
The death effects looked spectacular with lots of units onscreen.
The orbiting buildings sometimes intersected, making them unselectable.
It really needs DISBTNs.
The upgrade tooltips say Level %d
At one point, I think colonization failed, as my builder could suddenly move, and the planet was not mine.
Level 10 colonization doesnt work
4/5 (Due to the bugs)
No vote until they are fixed

 

[jk2pach]

Thanks.

I will work on 1.02 today.

Disbtn: That was to not overload the map, but you are right, thats kinda ugly^^
Colonization: it is not a bug. It is when your builder is issued an order, it abord the colonization. Level 10: -_- I will se that, but this is only a simple ability of drain linked to a timer and booleans/custom values.
Building intersection: if you have tested the new version (1.01) instead of 1.00, it should be better. But it is sure i did not find the perfect system at the moment.


@takethat
Attachement system: it is the the same for stars/planets/buildings and mothership.
Planets and building: simply detect the creation or the owner-change and run a local timer which set the position of the unit every 1.00 seconds for the buildings, 20 seconds for the planets.

Mothership: detect the creation/reparation/destruction of modules and linked them with a timer every 0.03 seconds. That is why it could leak a little with 12 motherships on the map I use 3 triggers: the periodic move for all modules, one to the first creation of mothership, and one for the repair. I use globals, because it was easier for the repair. Otherwise I would have use locals .

For the generic form of the mothership it is...test. A module is linked to main body with: a distance and a degree. I simply have tests hours the best settings

 

[wereguy2]

The level 10 thing is just an issue concerning Targets Allowed - it only targets Allies

 

[jk2pach]

It is like other levels, Ancient-Mechanical-Neutral.

Strange.

Disbtn added. Upgrades tips level %d replaced by level 1 etc...

I'm working on a better building orbital system.

Probleme is to set the first angle between planet and building. I can't use custom values (already used), so I use globals. But for a reason, it does not work well^^

EDIT

1.02 online

EDIT 2 :

I'm working on 1.03
Main chainges: Neutral Agressive Player to harass players
Black hole after 1 hour to make a little cleaning on the map if they are survivors All buildings/planets/stars will be locked by BH.
Lot of minor changes, like the genreration of solar system which is now full linked to the player start location.

 

[wereguy2]

Dont double post, instead click on the EDIT button of your previous post and Copy/Paste what you want to add onto there.

 

[takethat]

remove everything from non player sector sounds fair but it make the whole map abit empty.

btw the model for pirate frigate kind of bugged, every time it move, the engine looks wierd

 

[jk2pach]

It is not a bug. Its my modelist talent xD

Remove everything: it is because, as you know, orbital system could create some leaks, more than be fair or not. I use a lot of timers. The less widgets, the less leak. So the less players there are, the faster is the map.

 

[Ss-4-Goku]

I have found a bug. When i was trying to approach a planet, my game crashed. Do you have ideas that might have caused this? Also, i'm using a Mac OS X 10.5.

 

[jk2pach]

Thanks for for the reporting.

Unfortunately, it is the first time there would be a abug with this -_-.
There are no triggers starting with "a unit within range of planet" etc...

Do you remember what ship was aproaching the planete, if he had an ability runned?

For the OS, I think there is no probleme with Mac.

Edit:

Well I made 2 other games this morning, I did not find this bug. I found some other which are fixed for the 1.07

 

[Jstansberry]

yah, i found a bug. the torpedo freezes and crashes my wc3, i dont know if it is my computer, or if it is actually a bug.

 

[jk2pach]

Has anyone founded bugs?

The 1.07 was the first real "stable" version.

The 1.08 is nowavailable. I have added severals abilities specific to each way.

 

[wereguy2]

Lol, dont double post xD
Make an EDIT2 or something

 

[cedi]

wtf. Can I see the map trigger, you did something realy wrong. I had two fatal errors and one infinit loop in three games...

I like it, but I had never a ship greater than a shuttel...

cedi

 

[jk2pach]

Impossible^^ I never have this, and i test the map several times on Bnet

And the map triggers is in Vjass, but with my skin it should be hard to read.

When did you have the fatal errors?

 

[cedi]

First time it was when I builded the third shuttle.
The infinit loop appeared when I researched the goldmine upgrade level two.

Btw. I think I'm good enough to read your code...

cedi

 

[jk2pach]

Goldmine upgrade. You mean the cargo harvest pulsars or the planet bonus?

Btw, I trust your level, but not my way to write code xD

Probleme with gold /lumber iron is that they only appear in one trigger, the periodic income. It never has bugged, I will check this.

But. How can you be sure it's an infinite loop?

Edit: and shuttles; there are no triggers for shuttle. It should be an other thing.

Did you use the Pirate AI? (at start, as host, when you choose AI mode)

 

[cedi]

Jap, I used the AI.

So I played it again and every thing worked right...

And why I'm sure that it was an infinite loop, the game freezed. I think that occurs only when the game needs all power to do one thing...

I can read nearly everything, then I helped enough bad triggerers...

But I think there're some other bugs. The I builded a canon, but it hadn't appear...
And I think you should use another system for the summons of the unded transporter. Ehh and, give to every ship, which has a second attack a dummy ability, which says how mana damage the weapon deals.

I thin, a funny ship is one, which can reales five, six torpedos instantly. But they should appear on one of the ship sides. then you can call it full broadside or barrage.

Ähh jea, the mines should have a new icon, without outocast borders. And create mines, which stay at the cast point. ( like goblin mine. ) Ahh and the black hole looks very bad...

cedi

 

[jk2pach]

Canons: it arrives with all buildings when the orbit of the planet is "full" of structures.

Icons: i'm working on creating severals new icons (my own), more simple as the existing, which are nice, but not mine, and not easy to understand.

Multitorpedoes: it could be an ability of the gunship frigate (military way). But it should also cost a lot of iron, cause 6 torpedoes is something very...powerfull

Secondary weapons (laser turrets, missile thrower, bomb thrower, shrapnel): if only the pheonix ability could appear. For a reason i do not understand, the icon is disabled, whereas sometimes it appears on other maps I made :/

Attachement Drones System of the Launcher: in fact I needed a Locust ability, but without invulnerability/unselectable units. So i needed to recreate this with timers. What do you reproach to this?

Mines without movment: it already exists for pirates, they have a "ionic mine" which is like Goblin Mine. Military autoguided mines are able to move because its an interesting way to play.

Mine icons: same (future new icons, like in the map Void, easy to understand, less graphic for more comprehension).

Blackhole: :/ I'm not a modelist, excepted for ships. I don't know really create models. This is a classic aura with other skin .

 

[cedi]

Okey, I played it again with a mate after 3 minutes the game creshed by my mate... He needed to restart his computer.

We played with out AI.

4/5 games crashed.

cedi

 

[jk2pach]

Since the 1.07, 0/30 map hosted crashed

Wtf with you :s

 

[Ham Ham]

Well, played this map 2 days ago, and there is my complete revision: (They get on ranges from 0 to 5)

Terrain: 4/5
Better than most space maps I played. But it would be nice if you could add some nebulas, etc. By anyways, its hard to get a good space terrain because there are not too much things in space

Tiggers/Spells/General Work: 3/5
Average. This map dont have anything in spetacular systems, but you put some good work here.

Theme Implementation: 5/5
Great models! They fit perfectly with the game. Nice size/model usuage.

5+3+4 = 12/3 = 4

Overhall: A 4/5 map. Better than most space-conquest-like maps I played.

 

[jk2pach]

Thanks a lot.

I'm working on 1.12

All custom icons are now mine (not those I found there).
Interface removed. A custom interface is nice, but mine is not very good made, and, overall, the size of the files is to big for a result like that.
Some gameplay change, new abilities.

 

[kids711]

Wow~

Interesting !.. Ima try it out

Wow.. My wc3 Frozed when i moved my builder D:..

 

[jk2pach]

There is a new bug since 1.08. I'm trying to find the origin of the bug. Sorry.

 

[-TYRANID-]

Yea i had some problems..... sometime trough the game all my buildings teleported to random points in the map and manny things are spelled wrong...

 

[jk2pach]

Building teleportation: never seen this bug; is it the final blackhole after one hour of game that u mean?

Spells casted: idem. No bug known. Could you be more precise?

The only actual bug I know is the game crash. I'm working on (and an other map, that is why it took time :/)

 

[crawlers]

please remove the black hole it is very imbalanced, if you put ur units into groups before it happens you can still select the mand build with them, and pirates can make bases with thier income and take over the world since allmnost allways a builder is alive after black hole comes, please remove it!!

 

[jk2pach]

Do you mean the giant blackhole after 60 minutes of the game, or the microblackhole available for Military way only?

If it is the first one, probleme is its unic goal is to cut short to all farming strategy and make the game not to long.

 

[Mobilize]

seriously now, fix this if you have time over, everything involves icons... looks bad :3

screenshot

1st: the icon for gold and lumber isn't the same.
2nd: Peon icon? Hm.

Otherwise, I'll bring this to my next lan party, might be fun

 

[jk2pach]

Well. I should fix that, thanks. I forget it.

Btw, if you find a bug, could you report it, please? Thanks a lot.

 

[Mobilize]

I'll look over your map completely today, and I'll prob find something,
Ill edit this post tmorrow when I'm finished with it.

-Edit-
Here ya go, I hope this helps.

Review

Models

HHHYPERSPACE;
Get another portal model, though its good the ship didn't just blink
And add an effect to the hyperspace move, that would be great.

The Rally point flag, and,
change these please, the doesn't look really "spaceish"
And their icons, I'm pretty sure you know which one I mean as my mouse is place over them and they're not like the other.

Bugs

I hope this isn't supposed to be lol.

Icons (yeah I love icons.)

Nope, that rally point wont go, It'll just fall down in space.

The cancel button isn't that great either...
Anyway lol, do this or the map will be fail

That was all, though I cant believe I just did that
Hidden inside Hidden inside Hidden inside Hidden and so on lol.
Thanks.

^Mobilize

-edit-
its more than just hyperspace in the models tab, just hard to see the text lol

 

[jk2pach]

Thanks a lot for such a nice report

I'm working on the 1.15 beta. I will take care of what you said, and add other things. This will be more a extra-cleaning version than major gameplay change.

 

[bboy-tiger-]

Just tested the map. Map is quite good. But could use some small fixes. Like solar core portrait camera... command buttons icons arent so nice and other SMALL details. But from a big view map is good .
3.8/5

 

[Mobilize]

inform me when the 1.5 is out, Ill be glad to check it.
Thanks.

^Mobilize

-Edit, YES, moron, "replaced by a new version?"-

 

[jk2pach]

out? English term i do not understand in this situation :x

Do you mean out of service, replaced by a new version?

 

[bboy-tiger-]

Lol. he want to tell you to post here when you create and upload new version of map. ( new version is out - outside/created/ready/released)

 

[jk2pach]

lol bis: he wantS

Thanks for the translation

 

[onix_noob]

I will test your map and will give you replay after 10-12 hours when i wake up good night to all for now

Edit1: WTF who told you that you can release new versions without testing them. Heres my review: 1/5 Rejected for approving i can't even host your map when i click Create Game it don't host instead of this it's going back like i click Cancel

Edit2: When new version is up i will try to play it again (do i need 1.24 patch to play it coz garena users are still on 1.23)

 

[jk2pach]

I tested it, that was not necessary to rate like that. On my computer this work :/

Edit: yeah. As it is written in update log, the 1.15 patch works for 1.24 Blizz' patch. So previous 1.15 patch do not work on new Blizz' patch, and my latest release do not work for patch less or equal to 1.24 Blizz'.

I have made several tests, the map works good. You could have asked before rate such a bad note . Enjoy.

1.16 will be created this month. I have stopped my current ORPG project to make a new version of Stars.

 

[onix_noob]

I will make 2-3 games today with more ppl than me (then i will change the rating of the map).
For now only the problems that i can notice:
Repair ability at Dock MK appear to be green box when i rebuild the dead modules of the ship.
Pulsar Collect (upgrade) is also Green box when is from lvl 2+
When the timer run out most of my building was on the center of the map near a "Sun Shines".
There was a base of the "AI" i think down of me and everything was disappear but when i go there the brown things was on the minimap and my mother ship begin to fire, on things that only he can see.
When the timer run out if i have "Builder Shutle" and if i am pirate i can still build pirate base but when i make some buildings they don't arrange around the base.
The "materia" thing is supposed to destroy everything near it and to drag most of the things that are close toward it (i go at top of it with my ship and nothing happen)
When the asteroids are "empty" and my workers can no longer gather from them they remain at the place where they are.
Take the icon and the tooltip of the Phoenix Fire "stats" to somthing else it will be nice.
Make the "hyper jump" thing to be chaneling or atleast somthing becouse i think when the ship is charging it's engines for the jump he must not be able to move, attack maybe but moving arrownd and jumping with his back infront is not very original.

That's all for now, i will write more later today when i play few games with ppl so i can test all of the variants for playing pirates/traders/etc. And please Write with red Laters at the end of the map description that you need version 1.24 in order to play it (if i don't know about the new hash things how i can know that your map need 1.24) atleast for 1-2 weeks

 

[jk2pach]

Thanks a lot for this report. All errors have been writen on my paper for the fixes I want to set on 1.16

In order to explain to you: at the end of the timer (anomaly), there is a trigger which locks all planets, ships, etc... and moves them second after second to the position (randomed) of the giant blackhole. This explain why all seems completely bugged. I mean this trigger takes a lot of ressources on CPU, and even if there is no leak created by the trigger, such a timer (0.04 sec on all things on the map) is hudge to manage for a CPU.

Probleme with pirate base is a real error from me: the goal of the timer is to stop the game after 1 hour and to force the players to finish them each other with their last fleets.

I think I will remove the black hole trigger and simply destroy all planets/Stars/fleets without lure them with a fast timer.

The two main changes I want to make for 1.16 (more than fixes, new abilities etc...) are:
-implement all my models with animations /particles like those I have uploaded on this site and most of all, use mdx squisher on them to reduce the size of the map.
-develop the role of motherships, by granting to each player a mothership like a hero in a melee map, but with all modules upgradable

Edit: a player had the idea that it would nice to create trade-road with jumpgate like in the game of Microsoft, Freelancer.
I will work on this, now that I can use VJass tables properly.


Edit 2: the 1.16 will certainly be like a 2.0 with a lot of changes.
Motherships will be available as soon as you got a dock and a Shipyard Mark I. They will be shuttles upgradable to frigates and then cruisers.
Actually they will be 12 kinds of motherships: 4 shuttles, 4 frigates, 4 cruisers, divided in 4 ways: Polyvalent/Merchant/Pirate/Military, for all ways excepted Terrorists. Each way will be able to choose between the Polyvalent and its own class Mothership.
Up to 40 turrets will be choosable as Mothership Modules. Shuttles MS will have 3 modules, Frigate 5 and Cruisers 8.
Docks are now compulsory to manage Motherships, and are available in 3 upgrades.

Lot of small things will /have been added to diversify the gameplay, and I have changed the basic systems (Trade/Orbits/Motherships etc...) by implementing the Tables of Vexorian, in order to reduce the ressources needed to play this map.

I hope the 1.16 Beta will be ready in 2 weeks at least.

 

[FlavoredPickle]

Help Me I Need The Script that allowed you to get the parts for mother ship (Multiple Guns) because i am thinking of making a Star Wars Campain and requier the script for Capital Ship Hard Points