StarCraft 2 = Ripoff

[Kwanz4]

Now, don't be mislead by the title of my post--I really think that StarCraft 2 would be a fun game and a great experience to the gaming community, but it costs way too much.
Not only do you have to pay for separate factions ($180 in total), but I was recently informed that BNet is going to integrate SC2 into your WoW account so that not only do you have to pay $180 for the entire game, but you have to pay $15 a month after that for as long as you want to be able to play on Battle.net. Now you may be able to use other servers such as Garena (assuming that they are going to provide support for SC2), etc. If that is the case, then I am probably going to buy it.
Aside from that, I love their concept art:

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[LordDz]

You do realise that you only have to pay the monthly fee for WoW but not for Starcraft 2? They only combined the accounts to make it easier to keep track of everything.

 

[Kwanz4]

Really? Well I'm embarassed.

 

[Tyranid]

You should be... freaking jokerfanboi...

 

[Tleno]

Yup. And if I'm not misstaken, they'll give you only campaing of one race, but you'll be able to play in skirmish/multyplayer.

 

[Deathcom3s]

They're releasing the campaigns for each faction seperately, but it would be a fool move of theirs to make only one faction playable during release of the first iteration. So you can expect to be able to play all 3 factions in skirmish's and MP matches.

And yes, Battle.net has turned into a central hub for all Blizzard games, but that does not mean you will have to pay $15 a month to use it simply because you have a WoW account associated with your account.

This isn't exactly breaking news, where in the world have you been for the last year or so?

 

[PurplePoot]

And the second two campaigns are in fact expansions as well, so nothing surprising here either.

 

[Kwah]

Moved to SC2 discussion.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

So I'd just suggest, read carefully things and tell your informer to delete their information not to mislead people with silly rumors.

I've forgotten how it will go, so 1st CD is Terran? It allows you to play Terran cpg as for MP you will be able play vs others with all races? Kinda like Roc and TFT and how players interact w each other - i.e u cant play with those with 2 CDs, and will the expansions offer more units in melee, im not sure. Like, with 2 CDs you will have e.g 'spell breakers' and with 1, it will be like RoC.

 

[PurplePoot]

Imagine if the release and the expansions, instead of having a small campaign for every race, have a large campaign for a single race instead. First is Terrain, then I think it's Protoss and then Zerg, although I may have the order of the last two reversed.

 

[redmarine]

The StarCraft II triology will be released in in the following way: First Terran, Second Zerg and then third Protoss.

What is interesting here is that the first game will be the base game and will feature a full campaign for the terran and a small protoss campaign along with it.

The other two games will be expansions which will add more content and will continue the epic storyline.

The price tag hasn't been stated yet but as a fan it doesn't matter.

 

[Mechanical Man]

This is lame idea. Playing all races in each expansion allows playing more twists, for example first humans mind their own business, zerg attack terran and then protoss, protoss fight zerg back, then fight a little among theirselves, in expansion terrans defend against zerg, protoss then attack zerg and then terrans, because found out something unexpected and so on.

Also, only one campaign per expansion won't allow you to play with the same arsenal in determined expansion. For example, you won't play a campaign with some new units terran get in expansion. And no, multiplayer and skirmish is NOT the same thing

EDIT: Fucking database >.<

 

[Tleno]

This is lame idea. Playing all races in each expansion allows playing more twists, for example first humans mind their own business, zerg attack terran and then protoss, protoss fight zerg back, then fight a little among theirselves, in expansion terrans defend against zerg, protoss then attack zerg and then terrans, because found out something unexpected and so on.

Also, only one campaign per expansion won't allow you to play with the same arsenal in determined expansion. For example, you won't play a campaign with some new units terran get in expansion. And no, multiplayer and skirmish is NOT the same thing

EDIT: Fucking database >.<

Yes, but I'm sure there are gonna be missions where you'll be able to try those too...

 

[PurplePoot]

Nothing comes without a price.

 

[Deathcom3s]

And no, multiplayer and skirmish is NOT the same thing

Did i say they were? No...

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

The StarCraft II triology will be released in in the following way: First Terran, Second Zerg and then third Protoss.

What is interesting here is that the first game will be the base game and will feature a full campaign for the terran and a small protoss campaign along with it.

That's all I need to hear. Only will it have for example all Terran units or just some of them. Either way, when it's out, at least in June,July,August, they will be on the shelves of few EU countries. I would have to make a trip to another country to buy CD1 the least, to avoid VAT that will double the price...

 

[Mechanical Man]

Did i say they were? No...

I just told that prevent stupid replies like 'try a skirmish map then'

 

[redmarine]

That's all I need to hear. Only will it have for example all Terran units or just some of them. Either way, when it's out, at least in June,July,August, they will be on the shelves of few EU countries. I would have to make a trip to another country to buy CD1 the least, to avoid VAT that will double the price...

Or you could simply buy it on Blizzard's store and download it.

It uses a torrent like system so it will work. Blizzard are trying to remove the physical disks and make their games require no CDs at all(none of their current games do).

 

[Tleno]

Or you could simply buy it on Blizzard's store and download it.

It uses a torrent like system so it will work. Blizzard are trying to remove the physical disks and make their games require no CDs at all(none of their current games do).

Sounds like the New Steam. Don't know how you, but I'll just buy the game while visiting relatives in Belarus... games are like 2-3 times cheaper than in Lithuania...

 

[PurplePoot]

You can still install them from a physical disk if you own the key, though.

 

[JimBob]

That's all I need to hear. Only will it have for example all Terran units or just some of them....

It will contain all of them including the scrapped new ones and old ones from SC1. Part of the gameplay throughout the campaign will be choosing which units we want to buy or include in our arsenal. We will have options to choose between some of the older technology like the Wraiths and Firebats or some of the new technology like the Marauders and Banshees. Correct me if I'm wrong. At least that's what they said based off the Blizzcon 08. Although, I don't know if they've decided to change any of that since.

 

[PurplePoot]

They didn't claim (to my knowledge) you could use Starcraft units at any point in the campaign; they said they would be available in the editor for third party games.

 

[Tleno]

They didn't claim (to my knowledge) you could use Starcraft units at any point in the campaign; they said they would be available in the editor for third party games.

I hope they'll add more possiblities to creating your own maps... I really gonna continue modding in SC2...

 

[ACdestinydream]

from what ive known and read, the models will be completely different from wc3. no attachment points. no items either, so unless we want an item system or equipment system we need to make models into items...

 

[LordDz]

They didn't claim (to my knowledge) you could use Starcraft units at any point in the campaign; they said they would be available in the editor for third party games.

They did not?
http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/StarCraft_II:_Wings_of_Liberty
"Raynor's Raiders will have access to some older technology, such as Wraiths, goliaths and medics; Raynor's been around for a while and would likely use the older technology."

:> :>

 

[PurplePoot]

They did not?
http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/StarCraft_II:_Wings_of_Liberty
"Raynor's Raiders will have access to some older technology, such as Wraiths, goliaths and medics; Raynor's been around for a while and would likely use the older technology."

:> :>

Thanks for the link; in the cited interview Dustin Browder claims it's a possibility, and I would like to see them come back so I'm not complaining.

 

[redmarine]

Thanks for the link; in the cited interview Dustin Browder claims it's a possibility, and I would like to see them come back so I'm not complaining.

There have been some screenies of medics as well as wraths so yeah they're definitely in.

 

[Ghost765]

well, chaos rising is hopefully gonna make dow2 better...anyways. ill get sc2 i guess. it seems ok.

 

[Hunter9G]

WHat if we deactivated our WOW account? does this mean i wouldnt go on SC2? and also, if we still have to pay the 15$ for Wow doesnt that mean weactually do pay 15$ a month? for exmple, i reactivate my WOW account so i can go on SC2, then i have to pay for a WOW account i dont even plan on using? that is a bit of a rip off

 

[Linaze]

Let me put it this way:
SC2 WON'T COST ANYTHING TO PLAY / MONTH
Period.

 

[redmarine]

WHat if we deactivated our WOW account? does this mean i wouldnt go on SC2? and also, if we still have to pay the 15$ for Wow doesnt that mean weactually do pay 15$ a month? for exmple, i reactivate my WOW account so i can go on SC2, then i have to pay for a WOW account i dont even plan on using? that is a bit of a rip off

Battle.net is free e.g. you can play StarCraft II and Diablo III online free of charge and feature set(-microtransactions). WoW subscription is not.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that StarCraft II's Battle.net access does not require an active wow account.

 

[Ghost765]

just make a new battle.net account if you have to.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

Yeah, what the.... making some wrong assumptions not even reading the previous posts.

 

[Dr Super Good]

In SC2 you can /w people playing WoW apparently and visa verse, even if you are in a game I believe. Hopefully add bots do not find this out as they will then use drones from WoW to find account names of people and then /w spam them from SC2 and be safe from banning for days due to WoW moderators not having the ability to punish people in SC2 (as why should someone playing WoW have that ability?).

I think each expansion for SC2 will be a lot more than you think. Each one will add atleast 6 new units to melee I believe per race (like WC3 TFT) and also will have atleast 2-3 GB new model content for custom games. This is not to mention the fact it might include new editor features for more compelex maps. Think of them as major content packs which become manditory to play well. If you get over 500 hours of fun from it like I have from WC3, it becomes pretty cheap.

 

[JimBob]

I think each expansion for SC2 will be a lot more than you think

True, they did say they are saving some really cool things just for the expansions. They also said that they want the expansions to each have their own feel( at least that's how I interpreted it). I'm guessing they mean in terms of the campaign. From what we've seen from the Terran Campaign will be completely different than the other campaigns. For example, part of the story and strategy will be Raynor looking for artifacts, taking mercenary jobs, choosing which units to buy into his army and choosing which missions to take. With all that in mind; based off our choices there will be different out- comes for the story. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Blizzard has said that the Protoss and Zerg Campaigns will be completely different from each other and the Terran Campaign. They will all have their own unique feel. Now with that in mind does everyone now understand why they're calling Starcraft and its two expansions a trilogy? Because each one is like playing a different game( Again, that's just how I interpreted it).

 

[Hunter9G]

Yeah, what the.... making some wrong assumptions not even reading the previous posts.

i read every post on this topic. the way it was put was jsut very confusing. dont criticize shit you dont know.

 

[redsew]

In my oppinion, Blizzard made StarCraft II to have more levels to beat, and etc...
Cant really explain what I'm thinking, but I think that the reason of seperate discs is to have more space to make more levels, have more units, functions, etc.
But Blizzard Really has to update thier websites as they are really slow while the development is fast.

But, having to pay for seperate discs is really ripped off, Discounts would be nice .

 

[Hunter9G]

expansions will most likely be cheaper like they were for WC3 expansion Frozen Throne.

 

[ACdestinydream]

no, they cant be counted as expansions, they are like wc1,wc2,wc3. they will all be really different.

 

[LordDz]

no, they cant be counted as expansions, they are like wc1,wc2,wc3. they will all be really different.

No, they will still be the same game. Wc1, Wc2, Wc3 all three used different engines. I highly doubt they will develop a new engine for each game.

 

[Tleno]

expansions will most likely be cheaper like they were for WC3 expansion Frozen Throne.

no, they cant be counted as expansions, they are like wc1,wc2,wc3. they will all be really different.

No, they will still be the same game. Wc1, Wc2, Wc3 all three used different engines. I highly doubt they will develop a new engine for each game.

Yes, actually they are gonna be just an expnasions. Like Frozen Throne. They will use the same engine with minimal changes, some gameplay tweaks and stuff like that...

 

[kRaZy-bLaZeR]

So..If we make maps on Wings of Liberty, We can't play them From the Zerg Expansion? That's the main area of Concern

 

[Tleno]

No, we will just like we can do Reign Of Chaos using Frozen Throne maps.

 

[Cogzwell]

Each of the packs is not going to cost $60, that's console money, the first will probably cost $50 and the rest either $40 or $30 so at max its actually $130 one time over the course of 3 years...

 

[Dr Super Good]

The expansions will probably be about the same price but cheaper than the first one. Each expansion should have atleast 2 GB extra content as well as new major functionality for custom games making it worth it. Remember it will be an expansion a year or so so you will have pleanty of time to save money. Also remember that once the first expansion is out, they will bundle the game as a pack (2 DVD) at a discount and with the final expansion like wise (3 DVD). With inflation and everything the final pack will probably cost 100 USD for all 3 1 year after they are all released. After that they will start to fall until they are eventually being given away by the time WC4 comes.

 

[Anachron]

I would not like to pay $15 per month.

 

[Tleno]

I would not like to pay $15 per month.

And you won't have, unless becuace of some misterious reason you'll want to play WoW. You don't have to pay for B.net, only for WoW. Those two were connected just for comftability.

 

[Anachron]

Oh, so I misunderstood. Thats good.

 

[ObsidianPHoenix]

Another thing that people seem to be overlooking is that the Campaign in Wings of Liberty is as long if not longer than the three combined campaigns on Starcraft 1, so blizzard is not fleecing you for cash, the product being delivered is a full game in every respect.

 

[Hero_Lief]

By the way, there won't be 'minimal' changes. There will probably be a new interface, like they did from RoC to TFT (menu-wise, not ingame) and there will certainly be a new main menu model, probably some new units...
The Battle.Net servers will probably all be merged, unlike RoC & TFT. You'll probably host a map and when it appears in the list it says what expansion you need to load that map... Even though other people with different expansions viewing the same thing will have different interfaces, it'll all work. Remember that there will also be improved filters so you can probably filter out only maps on your current expansion.

Also remember that "minimal" changes are false because... Well, remember the transfer from RoC to TFT? All that new WE functionality. The Galaxy Editor will probably also change.

In the end, Blizzard knows what they're doing. Don't worry. It WILL work out. Blizzard's games always do.

EDIT: Merged servers mean expansionwise. Almost guarenteed there will still be 4 servers for the different regions (IRL).