Skeleton Warriors v1.9

[Moderator]

16:29, 10th May 2008
Firelord213:
[+]The map is yours.
[+]The map is not protected so no need for any map protection information.
[+]The map is in English.
[+]No signs of any crashes or bugs.
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My own thoughts:
[+]It's a bit hard but OK.

*Appproved*

 

[No.47]

Pretty easy map w/ that Finger of Pain

 

[D.O.G.]

++UPDATED++
V1.5
- Main quest changed, 1 optional quest added
- Big changes in inventory system
- New items
- Improved cinematics
- First cinematic can be skipped
- Fixed some small bugs
- Added more trees to terrain

COMMENTS PLEASE!!!

 

[Gamecrafter_DK]

Firelord's review

When he says something like that, there's probably nothing else to say, or so it sound like... i'll try it now... and give a full review!!! or just a couple of lines... whatever mood i am in...

 

[D.O.G.]

... i'll try it now... and give a full review!!! ...

Please!
I took terrained by my friend map (he gave me permission to edit it), and made from it normal playable campaign-type map. And I made new inventory system specially for this map. But nobody gave me full comment/review of my map.

 

[Gamecrafter_DK]

Well, because of that smiley, you'll get one!!!

+points.
- like the 'training' system for the skeletons (it looked like they got bigger and bigger)
- like the slots made specially for orbs and books.
- like the 'soul harvest' idea...
- like the concept of a skeleton army map...
~somewhat- points.
- Like the orbs, too bad there were only 2...
- same thing about the 'special' unit, waste... it makes people say; uuh, i can't wait for new special monster
- All those secrets... it takes focus off, that you are a reckless force of undead destruction... but good to have them.
-points
- WAY too many towers, looks 'realistic' but it isn't good for gameplay, as soon as you enter the castle, you find that it's 10 times better to stalk around on your own, finger o' paining them.
- 4 near-invulnerable golems, HALVE their hp!!! ATLEAST!!! they stomp your undeaddies, to death in no time... maybe decrease damage of their spells.
- alter the timborus abilities, i got to lvl 6, and i never really got to lvl 5 of that lvl 10 ability
- When you rescue the prisoners, you rescue those in the next room also, stand in the outern prison room, fingering the enemies approaching to kill your inner prisoners, and you got yourself a strike force, capable of wining the game for you, only with patience.
- the opening of the gates is a mess, leave it open as you enter first time...
- the potion shop... i discovered it like 20 times might want to turn off that trigger. and... that should count up the secret found integer, right?

hope that was full enuff' for ya... pm me when you've fixed these points.

 

[D.O.G.]

Well, because of that smiley, you'll get one!!!

+points.
- like the 'training' system for the skeletons (it looked like they got bigger and bigger)
- like the slots made specially for orbs and books.
- like the 'soul harvest' idea...
- like the concept of a skeleton army map...
~somewhat- points.
- Like the orbs, too bad there were only 2...
- same thing about the 'special' unit, waste... it makes people say; uuh, i can't wait for new special monster
- All those secrets... it takes focus off, that you are a reckless force of undead destruction... but good to have them.
-points
- WAY too many towers, looks 'realistic' but it isn't good for gameplay, as soon as you enter the castle, you find that it's 10 times better to stalk around on your own, finger o' paining them.
- 4 near-invulnerable golems, HALVE their hp!!! ATLEAST!!! they stomp your undeaddies, to death in no time... maybe decrease damage of their spells.
- alter the timborus abilities, i got to lvl 6, and i never really got to lvl 5 of that lvl 10 ability
- When you rescue the prisoners, you rescue those in the next room also, stand in the outern prison room, fingering the enemies approaching to kill your inner prisoners, and you got yourself a strike force, capable of wining the game for you, only with patience.
- the opening of the gates is a mess, leave it open as you enter first time...
- the potion shop... i discovered it like 20 times might want to turn off that trigger. and... that should count up the secret found integer, right?

hope that was full enuff' for ya... pm me when you've fixed these points.

Thanks for review. I'll fix bugs in coming 1.5b version. I think it will be released tomorrow.

About Potion Merchant, bug fixed. And it isn't secret, it is optional quest. Read Quests [F9].

About automatical doors. I think I don't change or remove them. I'll make they vulnerable. Doors will open and close if they aren't destroyed.

About too big count of towers. I'll make lever in suburbs which turns off/on towers.

About near invulnerable golems. I'll reduce their HP, attack and "slow" spell duration.

About orbs. Actually, there is 8 orbs (Training, Venom, Slow, Shadow, Fire, Lightening, Frost and Corruption). And 4 books per type(4 types of books of Dead, and 4 types of books of Poison). You found only two, because I made what from monster drop random type of orb.
In next version will be more item and they all can be bought at the shop.

 

[Gamecrafter_DK]

okay... well, there's a very small chance of dropping i guess

 

[D.O.G.]

okay... well, there's a very small chance of dropping i guess

Yes...

 

[Gamecrafter_DK]

maybe that should be ramped a bit, right? and waste should be able to have death coil cast on him...

 

[pippo]

Why protecting maps??

 

[Gamecrafter_DK]

i hear ya mon, every1 should be entitled to learn from eachothers maps, that way everyone will get better.

 

[D.O.G.]

Why protecting maps??

Protecting map makes its filesize smaller and protects from stealing resources and systems.

 

[Gamecrafter_DK]

... is that update coming along?

 

[D.O.G.]

... is that update coming along?

I had a lot of homework(stupid school), that's why I haven't done any changes. But now is weekend and I can start working on map.

 

[Gamecrafter_DK]

I know that luckyly, i'm finishing school soon hehe

 

[D.O.G.]

>UPDATED<
V1.6
- Known bugs fixed
- New items
- Loading screen a bit changed

 

[Zelda.Alex]

Skeleton Warriors v1.6
>The map is not a campaign. Change map category.
>Good Credits
>The secrets are nice.
>Adding a story will be nice
>You should mention in the info that the hero cannot have more than one orbs
>What are the souls gathered?
>I can destroy the small mana potion
>If I change my orb while near an enemy building then my hero stops attacking.
>Only two type of trees in the whole map?
>I had pressed the button due to which the guard towers should not attack but the towers of the town were still attacking me.
>The finger of death can be aimed at Granite golem but no damage occurs.
>Death coil should be allowed to cast on the king himself.
>You need to give better details of the map. Placing changelog is O.K. but you do need to place details of the map.

My Rating : 2/5
The terrain was O.K.
Lack of story

 

[D.O.G.]

>The map is not a campaign. Change map category.
>Adding a story will be nice
>You should mention in the info that the hero cannot have more than one orbs
>You need to give better details of the map. Placing changelog is O.K. but you do need to place details of the map.

Done.

>Death coil should be allowed to cast on the king himself.

Why? It will be very easy to win the map. I won't do that.

>The finger of death can be aimed at Granite golem but no damage occurs.

This occurs because golem immune to magic (And this occurs with other units immuned to magic). It is Bllizzard's bug.
EDIT: I found something in gameplay constants, changed; it must work

>Only two type of trees in the whole map?

>What are the souls gathered?

Look up on map's description. I think I answered on your question.

>I can destroy the small mana potion

And all items in the map (And in alot of other maps), because items' HP is only 75 by default (And in this map, too).

>If I change my orb while near an enemy building then my hero stops attacking.

Fixed (But now can appear other bugs).

>I had pressed the button due to which the guard towers should not attack but the towers of the town were still attacking me.

For me it works. Maybe you pressed other button? Or maybe you didn't press it? Maybe UFO damaged my map? (Joke)

 

[Gamecrafter_DK]

Zelda, your report is lacking, Items should always be killable, this is a basic function, that also could reduce lagg. there is also a lack of proper spelling, resulting in misunderstandings.

>I had pressed the button due to which the guard towers should not attack but the towers of the town were still attacking me.

That sounds like nonsense.
and as a third thing, read quests always.

 

[Zelda.Alex]

Zelda, your report is lacking, Items should always be killable, this is a basic function, that also could reduce lagg. there is also a lack of proper spelling, resulting in misunderstandings.

I had never noticed that items can be killed. Sorry.

That sounds like nonsense.

Nonsense? I told what had happened. At least this happened while I had played the map.
I had pressed the button in suburbs to deactivate the towers but the towers were still attacking me. Imagine my surprise that I had gone to the town by seeing that it will be easy to take control of the town now the towers are not attacking but lost some of my units because the towers attacked & took me completely off guard.
EDIT:O.K. I played the map again. This time when I pressed the button the towers did not attack. I just don't know what is happening.

 

[Gamecrafter_DK]

I've never seen such an entraance, i just snashed open the castle, killing everything in my way... But it was oddly formulated, that was what i meant.

 

[D.O.G.]

Nonsense? I told what had happened. At least this happened while I had played the map.
I had pressed the button in suburbs to deactivate the towers but the towers were still attacking me. Imagine my surprise that I had gone to the town by seeing that it will be easy to take control of the town now the towers are not attacking but lost some of my units because the towers attacked & took me completely off guard.
EDIT:O.K. I played the map again. This time when I pressed the button the towers did not attack. I just don't know what is happening.

Maybe you destroyed ONLY barrel but forgot destroy button (If button is pressed it must be red!).

And, you guys, don't find any bugs in this version?

 

[Zelda.Alex]

It had became red. Maybe it is just some kind of bad luck due to which the towers did not turn off for me in the first play.
Forget that. Do you think that you will be updating with improvements in the terrain?

 

[D.O.G.]

It had became red. Maybe it is just some kind of bad luck due to which the towers did not turn off for me in the first play.
Forget that. Do you think that you will be updating with improvements in the terrain?

I don't know. I'm not good at terrain. But my friend Aivis (terrainer) doesn't play Warcraft (And he has deleted it). It is very bad, because he has better terrains on his comp.

I need new terrainer, which can improve terrain in my map.

 

[Zelda.Alex]

You should ask for terrainers in Project Recruitment.

 

[Gamecrafter_DK]

1) Okay, i've found a giant Bug, the Secret counting doesn't work. The multiple-event secret gain events turn themselves off, so they doesn't work for the other events.
2) It is not possible to advance beyond level 8 8/9.
3) There's only 77 souls, MAXIMUM to be found all over the map. why then put a /100 limit?
4) Why are the stat bonus coming from the soul gathering COMPLETELY without of bounds?
5) you might want to add a quest info tab, explaining when the skeletons 'evolve'
6) same thing, with soul ability gain.

 

[D.O.G.]

1) Okay, i've found a giant Bug, the Secret counting doesn't work. The multiple-event secret gain events turn themselves off, so they doesn't work for the other events.
2) It is not possible to advance beyond level 8 8/9.
3) There's only 77 souls, MAXIMUM to be found all over the map. why then put a /100 limit?
4) Why are the stat bonus coming from the soul gathering COMPLETELY without of bounds?
5) you might want to add a quest info tab, explaining when the skeletons 'evolve'
6) same thing, with soul ability gain.

In version 1.7 (current) prize (additional ability) is given for gathering 35 souls.
About reaching level more than 8. I wanted to make this map campaign, but because of a lot of bugs Skeleton Warriors 2 is stopped until fixing bugs in this map.
Secret counting has bothered me. I'll fix that in v1.8.

 

[Gamecrafter_DK]

I've looked at your triggers, so i know that you've made some obvious mistakes in that secret counting. about the levelling, just make requirements less, and gain more, until the next map is done. The best tactic is to run around on your own, killing those damned birds, and sheeps and so on. Why don't you make it more exciting to have skeletons at your disposal? make a better description of how to gain better skeletons, so people aim for that. Also, please, DO make more special summons. and don't blame it on blizzard, that your spell doesn't work. you can ALWAYS fix it. base finger of pain over another spell? decrease rescue range on those skeletons in the dungeons, or place the two cells more apart, so they don't rescue eachother through the wall... so on, fix those small bugs.

 

[Screaming_flame]

Simple, yet good. But the gameplay is quite common, but its an ok.

 

[Newominus]

Huzzah, a skeleton map! I will see to it that i play it soon.

 

[Crave.]

If you want I can help you terrain your map. Just make sure you send me the unprotected map

EDIT: Grr cant seem to find (and play) the map!!!

 

[D.O.G.]

If you want I can help you terrain your map. Just make sure you send me the unprotected map

I think terrain in this map is good enough for this time, I want to continue second chapter, and only then to improve in this chapter.
Can I ask you to make terrain for second map? I'll make a layout how it must look.

Grr cant seem to find (and play) the map!!!

Strange.. I can play it(both protected and unprotected maps). What version of Wc3 do you have? I have 1.24e.

 

[Crave.]

Same, 1.24e...
I still cant find it today D:

Second map then!

 

[knight26]

Same, 1.24e...
I still cant find it today D:

Second map then!

I agree, i cant play it either.. its invisible, my guess would be the patches problem..but i do have the newest patch.

 

[Cweener]

The story is very usual.

Don't ever put that in a map description again.

The description is lacking. Use some of these to help.

If you'd like some examples of a good description try the following links, and maybe give rep to the authors for being so awesome

Shining Waters by R.Gaming_Strike
Avatar by dj0z

Seriously, Presentation(description) is very important in a map. O:

 

[Crave.]

Srsly Cweener, you are like posting the same thing over and over again when some guy's map description isnt good... seems like deja vu to me

 

[Cweener]

I have it saved to a notepad document.

 

[D.O.G.]

I have it saved to a notepad document.

Clever guy!

 

[Cweener]

girl*

 

[aaron]

girl*

lol, Cweener, you should stay on topic ^^

 

[D.O.G.]

girl*

Oops, sorry, I didn't know.

 

[Gamecrafter_DK]

It's been so long since i played this... this is a really fine map. and inspired me to create something Kinda similar...

Yes, it's a tad flawed, this one... but it just had a charm that made me forget all about the flaws, and just play it...

 

[knight26]

It's been so long since i played this... this is a really fine map. and inspired me to create something Kinda similar...

Yes, it's a tad flawed, this one... but it just had a charm that made me forget all about the flaws, and just play it...

Gamecrafter, so you are saying that you played the newest version?
i know the old version, i had played it too, but tell me pls the new ver. is it playable?


Why is everyone ignoring mine and the other guys post where we said:

the map is invisible-unplayable.

 

[Gamecrafter_DK]

It was the old version i played... And i would rather have a vague happy reminiscence than to play something that's screwed up, so i'm not finding out ^^

 

[D.O.G.]

I'm asking everybody who is reading this post to check my map - is it ingame visible or not, please! I don't know why it is invisible for some people, but if someone knows or have any ideas, please notify me. Well in advance thanks!!!

 

[Gamecrafter_DK]

I'd prefer not to... i am just not in the WCIII mood...

 

[D.O.G.]

I'd prefer not to... i am just not in the WCIII mood...

Too bad... Well, I'll wait for other people.

 

[Gamecrafter_DK]

Yeah :/