Simple Projectile System (SPS) Version 1.3

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18:42, 8th Dec 2009
TriggerHappy:

Review for Simple Projectile System (SPS) Version

Projectiles in GUI... not a good mix. You need to make the destructables range configurable per instance. A static 100 isn't nice. This isn't very flexible, compared to most jass projectile systems. I admit it's probably one of the best GUI ones, but that doesn't mean much. I'm guessing after about 15 projectiles, this will start to lag. The only way I am going to approve this is if enough GUI users think this is useful and vote for approval. Until then, rejected.

Status

Rejected

 

[darkreapers]

WOW all i can say is keep up the good work!

two thumbs up!

 

[lolreported]

WOW all i can say is keep up the good work!

two thumbs up!

Thanks! Ofcourse I'll keep up the good work ^^ I'll update this system again as soon I can create more options for the projectiles, but I need ideas

 

[BSWhunter]

Option that lets projectiles impact on one another?

 

[Anachron]

What the hell... Its nice that you did it, but normally GUI engines in that high usage is pretty laggy ingame. I didn't checked it, but I am atleast checking it the next days.

 

[breebree123]

hmm, nice spells, 3/5, no documentation D:

 

[lolreported]

@BSWhunter,
Hm, maybe. I'll check it out

@Anachron,
Actually, this don't cause lagg at all. Not for me, I don't know how it is for other people.

@breebree123,
Spells? This is a SYSTEM, allowing you to create projectiles, with just a few mouseclicks.

 

[Kingz]

Don't like it when i have to bring the bad stuff out on the open but i feel i have to.

Flaws and suggestions

-innefficent by the means of triggering, the triggering is fine, the indexing method isn't good for SYSTEM, it is good for spells for Systems it sucks.
-The trail would be good if it would allow the users to make trails in the same Z as the missile, this way it is simply creating special effect at missile X/Y
-The Z function is nice though i doubt it's usage, perhaps adding a Z bounce function?
-considered adding parabola into your system? many spells use parabolic movement
-adding knockback is nice though i think you are overburdening the spells with multiple system usage.
-too much complex? i mean sure the more options the better but you do know that people must set up ~30 settings to use the system?
-no trigger comments about what you did and how, that is annoying and makes other spell makers tough to understand what is what
-maybe remove the Spell prefix from the variables and use MS as missile system?
-adding arcs may be good but your system is overcomplicated as it is now

Hope you find this helpfull, if you don't understand why this way of making system is bad feel free to ask but i would suggest you to either make this in JASS/vJASS or use better indexing (Hanky's is good).
EDIT:

This is a SYSTEM, allowing you to create projectiles, with just a few mouseclicks.

More like hundred mouse clicks
But you are getting better.

 

[lolreported]

Don't like it when i have to bring the bad stuff out on the open but i feel i have to.

Flaws and suggestions

-innefficent by the means of triggering, the triggering is fine, the indexing method isn't good for SYSTEM, it is good for spells for Systems it sucks.
-The trail would be good if it would allow the users to make trails in the same Z as the missile, this way it is simply creating special effect at missile X/Y
-The Z function is nice though i doubt it's usage, perhaps adding a Z bounce function?
-considered adding parabola into your system? many spells use parabolic movement
-adding knockback is nice though i think you are overburdening the spells with multiple system usage.
-too much complex? i mean sure the more options the better but you do know that people must set up ~30 settings to use the system?
-no trigger comments about what you did and how, that is annoying and makes other spell makers tough to understand what is what
-maybe remove the Spell prefix from the variables and use MS as missile system?
-adding arcs may be good but your system is overcomplicated as it is now

Hope you find this helpfull, if you don't understand why this way of making system is bad feel free to ask but i would suggest you to either make this in JASS/vJASS or use better indexing (Hanky's is good).
EDIT:

More like hundred mouse clicks
But you are getting better.

Thanks for the feedback!

First of all, I don't understand why the indexing method isn't good for a system.

I'll try fix so the specialeffects will be created at the same Z location, but I doubt I know how to do it, because you'll have to use JASS?

The Z function is good, if you, for example, use a rocket projectile that will explode when it hits cliffs or mountains and I think the bounce function will work nicely togheter with the Z function.

And I tried to add parabola in the system, but this caused a bug in the system, I think the loop overloaded and skipped alot of actions, so I had to remove it.

I maybe overburdening some things, I may reduce this in some way.

I'll try reduce all settings into lesser variables, make it less complex.

I've added a Read Me? Explaining everything?

About the Spell_ prefix, I can change that if that makes any difference.

I've no idea how to add arcs in a system, because I've never used it, I don't even know the math for it.

I'll update this system with your feedback and try making it less complex and more user friendly.

Thanks again



Ok, I've update this system to version 1.3!

 

[darkreapers]

hey bro great update! going to DL it now n see the changes myself. one thing i found annoying in your previous version was when i tried to base it off a spell say shockwave, it would stop the projectile in its path when it hits a target.

the damage still carry through in a line but the projectile would get destoried, i think what i did was in the loop trigger, instead of checking the distance to 0, i setted it to -300.

but sometimes it is still inaccurate.


Besides that part i am a fan of ur system!

 

[Kingz]

Here is why this indexing method is bad for systems.
I think you know how loops work, now you use periodic loops and i won't explain what loops are.
Now with the loop in the periodic trigger increasing every time you use the system it is going to get more and more harder for the CPU.
Even if you don't do anything in one loop cause of a condition, the computer still checks the condition leading in unnecesary processing and making the system more and more laggy.
After casting a spell about ~400 times it should get really lagy, even earlier if you have a slower computer.
Now also using this indexing allows users to even supras the 8000 integer limit when it comes to arrays.
That means cause the indexes aren't recycling or decreasing it is possible to reach maximum array size with even 1 hero
You should really use an indexing method that has dynamic index recycling.
If you want i can rework your indexing a bit so that it uses it, making this system far more efficent than now.
Hope this doesn't sound like advertisement but if you are interested more about dynamic indexes and index recycling you could check the tutorial i wrote about mine indexing method which is highly efficent and really suitable for systems(if you want the arc function feel free to check my missile system and take it).
Gl and this is a great improvement from your previous work! +rep

 

[lolreported]

hey bro great update! going to DL it now n see the changes myself. one thing i found annoying in your previous version was when i tried to base it off a spell say shockwave, it would stop the projectile in its path when it hits a target.

the damage still carry through in a line but the projectile would get destoried, i think what i did was in the loop trigger, instead of checking the distance to 0, i setted it to -300.

but sometimes it is still inaccurate.


Besides that part i am a fan of ur system!

Thanks! Hm, probably can I add an option that allow you to pick if the projectile will get destroyed on hit or not.

Here is why this indexing method is bad for systems.
I think you know how loops work, now you use periodic loops and i won't explain what loops are.
Now with the loop in the periodic trigger increasing every time you use the system it is going to get more and more harder for the CPU.
Even if you don't do anything in one loop cause of a condition, the computer still checks the condition leading in unnecesary processing and making the system more and more laggy.
After casting a spell about ~400 times it should get really lagy, even earlier if you have a slower computer.
Now also using this indexing allows users to even supras the 8000 integer limit when it comes to arrays.
That means cause the indexes aren't recycling or decreasing it is possible to reach maximum array size with even 1 hero
You should really use an indexing method that has dynamic index recycling.
If you want i can rework your indexing a bit so that it uses it, making this system far more efficent than now.
Hope this doesn't sound like advertisement but if you are interested more about dynamic indexes and index recycling you could check the tutorial i wrote about mine indexing method which is highly efficent and really suitable for systems(if you want the arc function feel free to check my missile system and take it).
Gl and this is a great improvement from your previous work! +rep

Well, what I think that the system can't be laggy, because the loop integers are reseted, then the system will start over at 0. I'll check your tutorial and see if I may learn something new! I really appreciate your help! Thanks. +rep for you 2.

Edit: Oh, couldn't rep you again..

 

[Kingz]

Well it is true that it will eventualy drop to 0, but for that to happen the system has to reach the moment when not a single missile is active and that in some maps may not be ever.
Just trust me on this, this indexing method isn't made for systems.

 

[Dimetrixdemon]

Downloading looking nice

 

[Dimetrixdemon]

Dimetrixdemon

Awesome (its Diemon)

 

[hellburke]

Flood thank you for this great system, very user-friendly, you made it effortless to tweak around with the spells.

 

[lolreported]

Dimetrixdemon, thanks!

hellburke, haha, well, don't know if it's great, theres better systems out there, [v]Jass as an example. But well, I'm glad you liked it! Modify it at the way you want it. ;D