SH v1.4 The Hunters

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20:44, 9th May 2013

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Map Approved

Starcraft Hybrids (No Version/s Stated) Rate Score Percent Letter 5/5 91-100 A Rate Score Percent Letter 4/5 81-90% B Rate Score Percent Letter 3/5 75-80% C Rate Score Percent Letter 2/5 70-74% D Rate Score Percent Letter 1/5 50-69% F Overview: Gameplay "Starcraft Hybrids" is a Altered Melee game based on a Starcraft™ genre but more of a twist and turns of species and tech power. "Modding the whole in-game materials of the game into a starcraft-like atmosphere is very impressing as well as observing some of the mechanics of its game play, the AI is also a helping hand in case you want to play this alone or in practice matters and its well good sharped visuals is remarkable." Terrain "The Terrain looks very thin in-shape but all thanks to your tile variations it gave way some color although I'm expecting doodads in a starcraft genre as well as bearing cliffs for strategic purposes." Management "Overall its a one neat game and so as the concept of it as whole, although you can give your quest menu some highlights explaining more about how to play, and your latest updates, or especially bug issues, overall this is a piece useful for starcraft players or beyond." Total Score: Rate Score Percent Letter 10/15 83% B

 

[Orcnet]

map approved

 

[Lordul Dracula]

gz man 5/5

 

[Davion24]

Map is kinda small . but great work. nice models and game play style.

 

[Strydhaizer]

nice man , very interesting 5/5!!!

But its not a good idea on using terran marine's icon as armor icon (Based on your gameplay screenshots)

 

[Im2Litle]

Great , nice models :3

 

[FLACC]

Great game but this could be better if the map was bigger

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

Thanks all for feedback!

@Stryderzero, ok I will, it is very easy to change it

So should I make a second more bigger map for it? Some map variations would indeed be fun.

I think it would be fun to remake a few Starcraft 1 maps. At the moment this map is the The Hunters from Starcraft 1 (a very popular one): http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/images/starcraft_hunters.jpg

Do you guys have a suggestion of which map you would like to see?

Before I will make a new maps though I want to do as much as gameplay/balancing updates as possible cause that saves alot of work when you only have to do it for 1 map. So if you see any bugs, balancing issues or want something new etc., please say so .

 

[Bloody Wolf]

the map should be bigger but goddamn those models are perfect!
Great job 4\5 because map is too small

 

[Reaper51]

Good map, some balances things though.
Carriers are OP, imo remove their aoe since they get interceptors.
Long-Range Wyverns are also a bit too powerful.
Gas needs to be mined much faster maybe +5 instead of +3. I got through the game with 20 workers in 1 base on minerals and 20 workers on gas over 4 expansions!
Also upgrades take forever, even more than starcraft 1.

Either than that, good map.

 

[arigorarigor]

I want play zerg !

 

[Reaper51]

Yes the 3rd race should be zerg-protoss, since others were protoss-terran and terran-zerg.

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

I forgot to add this in the description, will be added with the next update: Only choose between Human (/Bionic) and Orc (/Infested) for both you and AI players. Otherwise for you will get an ugly UI & not all the custom interface sounds. And for the AI it messes up the AI script. So in other words; do not choose undead, night elves or random.

@Reaper51, good ideas, added to list

@arigorarigor, I will see if have enough for space left and models, as Reaper51 pointed out a zerg-protoss race would fun. Cannot promise it, but I will definitely look into it.

 

[Reaper51]

Also you should add the locust ability to the infested vines model thing so I don't get pissed at selecting them instead of the building.

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

I did that first, but than I could not remove them through triggers. For some reason locust units are not effected by "pick every units in unit group blabla" and than "remove picked unit". I will go ask in the forum and see what the problem is.

-edit, I managed to fixed it. Fix will be in next update (or update 1), along with a number of other important balances and fixes. I have almost finished the update, probably will release it today.

 

[Doomfan64]

Needs better balance. Combat goes by took quick. Yes, it went by quick in the original, but it sucked that way.

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

Combat goes by took quick. Yes, it went by quick in the original, but it sucked that way.

, that is a matter of taste. Some people liked it way Starcraft 1 and 2 does, some people liked it the way Warcraft 3 did. This map aims for a Starcraft (1) experience.

Concerning the balance, are the specific things you noticed? Like a specific unit that is unbalanced? Or ability? I have almost finished the first update, that should balance and fix and number of important things.

 

[FLACC]

Great new terrain it's the best. ya could make a campaign whit this.

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

Great new terrain it's the best. ya could make a campaign whit this.

, thanks, but why rate it so low? 3/5 is kind of medicore . I understand that some would like the map to be bigger, but The Hunters was a very popular Starcraft 1 map. I basically just remade it in Warcraft 3. And the plan is to remake some more (some bigger) Starcraft 1 maps. So I don't really understand why people give it 3/5. Does it need more balance and bug fixes? More units?

 

[FLACC]

, thanks, but why rate it so low? 3/5 is kind of medicore . I understand that some would like the map to be bigger, but The Hunters was a very popular Starcraft 1 map. I basically just remade it in Warcraft 3. And the plan is to remake some more (some bigger) Starcraft 1 maps. So I don't really understand why people give it 3/5. Does it need more balance and bug fixes? More units?

I did not rate yet O3O???

 

[FLACC]

oh ok. There 5/5 i think i accidentally clicked the rate thing when the page opened.
why don't ya try adding their suggestions whit the zerg/protos and a bigger map???

 

[Strydhaizer]

Starcraft tiles converted to Warcraft 3 by Stryderzero

Actually thats not converted.

But still , i support this projects. Cheers
Will add this project to my signature.

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

oh ok. There 5/5 i think i accidentally clicked the rate thing when the page opened.
why don't ya try adding their suggestions whit the zerg/protos and a bigger map???

, ah ok, thanks for rating . Yeah I am going to do some filesize squishing/resizing now and see how much space I have available.

Actually thats not converted.

But still , i support this projects. Cheers
Will add this project to my signature.

, yeah could not find the right word for it. Maybe remade? Anyway your signature looks alot better now .

 

[Strydhaizer]

Must be "Starcraft tiles are made by StryderZero"
About my signature , im too lazy to fix it last time. Thanks for liking it.

 

[FLACC]

will ya make an campaign??? if yes i will be waiting for it

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

will ya make an campaign??? if yes i will be waiting for it

, maybe I will. I am now working on the third race and after this I will make some extra maps. After that a campaign is quite plausible since I already have some maps than. First thing first though, a new race . Also I noticed the map gets some slower in mid-end game when players with lots of (AI) players, do you know guys have that too? Maybe I need optimize some triggers since it is not lag (it is not accumulating, more based on the amount of units or maybe trigger/AI orders).

 

[Bloody Wolf]

i supose the next race is protoss+zerg?

 

[TheLol156]

very good. although it could use more races, i would give a 9/10

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

i supose the next race is protoss+zerg?

, yeah it will be Zerg + Protoss, with probably being the Zerg the dominant side of the race.

very good. although it could use more races, i would give a 9/10

, thanks! I am working on a third race atm.

 

[Bloody Wolf]

some ideas:

make the next race bionic zergs, pretty much zerg cyborgs with mind powers

add mutalisk "quotes" for the spitter

drone sounds for scv

try to replace the warcraft music for starcraft (terran for infested terran, protoss for the bionics and zerg for the new race)

add devourer (broodwar) sounds for broodmother (and give the overlord to the mountain giant thing)

and please add the "spawn more overlords"

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

make the next race bionic zergs, pretty much zerg cyborgs with mind powers

, not a bad quess actually, though I will not spoil it yet .

and please add the "spawn more overlords"

, this is already in it, did you select Orc as race? Undead and Night Elf mess up interface and interface sounds.

add mutalisk "quotes" for the spitter

drone sounds for scv

try to replace the warcraft music for starcraft (terran for infested terran, protoss for the bionics and zerg for the new race)

add devourer (broodwar) sounds for broodmother (and give the overlord to the mountain giant thing)

, I am afraid I cannot spare anymore kb, especially with the third race I have reached the 8mb limit (otherwise playing multiplayer is not possible). And I already have squished, resized and optimized alot of things. Especially imported music increases the mapsize by an absurd amount, even when mp3 and optimized alot.

 

[Bloody Wolf]

,
this is already in it, did you select Orc as race? Undead and Night Elf mess up interface and interface sounds.

, I am afraid I cannot spare anymore kb, especially with the third race I have reached the 8mb limit (otherwise playing multiplayer is not possible). And I already have squished, resized and optimized alot of things. Especially imported music increases the mapsize by an absurd amount, even when mp3 and optimized alot.

Thx for pointing that out! i always selected random and never really noticed it.

But you did mention that you would probably do a campaign right? if so i suggest you make a campaign for each race so we get a different experience (and you will be able to add music and other starcraft sounds)

 

[Strydhaizer]

I suggest for the fourth race

Zerg + Terran + Protoss LOL

Just thinking how terran and zerg became friends

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

But you did mention that you would probably do a campaign right? if so i suggest you make a campaign for each race so we get a different experience (and you will be able to add music and other starcraft sounds)

, yes, when and if I do the campaign, than for the campaign I could add all the custom sounds and music. However campaigns take lots of time to make so there will probably not be three campaigns (hate to break it to you ).

Just thinking how terran and zerg became friends

, they are not friends, the zerg infected a (part) of the Terran to do their bidding . Basically the Infested are sort of 'evolved/mutated' Terran zombies. This is what inspired me to do the Infested: http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Infested_command_center

 

[Bloody Wolf]

,However campaigns take lots of time to make so there will probably not be three campaigns (hate to break it to you ).
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well that's for sure but if you get some additional help it would be way faster

and i don't think it would be cool to play as the three races in one campaign (it would feel rushed in my opinion, and we wont be able to get a full taste of the history of each race)

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

and i don't think it would be cool to play as the three races in one campaign (it would feel rushed in my opinion, and we wont be able to get a full taste of the history of each race)

, that is a good point

 

[Bloody Wolf]

I suggest for the fourth race

Zerg + Terran + Protoss LOL

Just thinking how terran and zerg became friends

maybe the hybrids form starcraft 2? lol

 

[fakeskins]

Nice map ,I love the minor map elements adapted from starcraft but seriously make the map bigger ,add more expansions ,add some more details to the buildings as they are really lacking compared to the units and improve the ai as sometimes he is utterly dumb as fuck!
I love the concept and the fluidity of the map ,also it has a nostalgic feeling so far I give it an 7/10.

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

thanks for feedback,

I love the minor map elements adapted from starcraft but seriously make the map bigger ,add more expansions

, map variations (including a bigger map) are coming after I added the third race.

add some more details to the buildings as they are really lacking compared to the units

, I am not really a skinner/modeler, I changed some skins for the mod to make it look a bit better but those are simple changes. Most of the models are e.g. from killst4r.

improve the ai as sometimes he is utterly dumb as fuck!

, first be sure that you have selected either Human (=Bionic) or Orc (=Infested) for the AI (not Undead, Night Elf or random). Otherwise the AI wont build anything at all. Next to that the biggest problem is that AI does not gather enough minerals. I will see what I can do about this.

 

[TaShadan]

I prefer the real Broodwar, but nice job.

 

[Bloody Wolf]

no problems with the AI so far (at least to me)

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

I prefer the real Broodwar, but nice job.

, thanks I quess, but you do know that this is not a remake of Starcraft 1 right? So it is not meant as a replacement for Starcraft 1, but more a total conversion of Starcraft (new races, new units, new things etc.).

no problems with the AI so far (at least to me)

, thanks for letting me know. Making good AI is tricky so every observation is welcome !

 

[TaShadan]

I know.

 

[Bloody Wolf]

time to kick some ass and test this baby >

 

[I_am_Death]

gj, now i wont download starcraft more =D

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

release date for next update/map?

, well progress with 3rd race is ~50%, but it goes fast now . On the other hand AI still needs to be made for it and plan is to update the other AI's too. That will be probably a bit try on error so I don't how long that is going to take.

gj, now i wont download starcraft more =D

, thanks!

 

[Bloody Wolf]

, well progress with 3rd race is ~50%, but it goes fast now . On the other hand AI still needs to be made for it and plan is to update the other AI's too. That will be probably a bit try on error so I don't how long that is going to take.

If you need any help let me know! im not 100% useless at world editor XD more like 75%

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

If you need any help let me know! im not 100% useless at world editor XD more like 75%

, can you map/terrain? Or maybe ideas for maps? Once I got this update done and 1 small balance update after it, I want to add a few maps (e.g. bigger, isolated islands etc.). This would than be after the updates though, so that could take a while.

Anyway, could be new ones, or maybe from a map from an other rts game you like, or starcraft 1 map remakes. Some quick googling (the shape matters);

Pic 1 map idea

Pic 2 map idea

The other thing I need is tester of the 3rd race as soon as I have finished the update. Either would be helpfull then , thanks for the offer!

 

[GhostThruster]

gonna follow this map, if u remember me i also helped u with ur augmentation warfare. thisll be my feedback post which ill edit when i find more stuff. when ive played enough ill review.

suggestions:
general
-qwer hotkeys for ease of use
-upkeep info panel still contains irrelevant information
-please for the love of good make passive abilities have passive icons
-terrain needs more atmosphere; light fog, light wind, grass + rock doodads (found in UTM), destroyed buildings (illidan(evil)x has these), terrain height variation, critters etc.
-vespene geysers are supposed to have an extractor built on top
-vespene geyser model lacks portrait
-alot of buildings dont have origin attachment points. this is an easy fix
-what exactly is the point of the electronic pulse attack upgrade?
-techtree is too small/simple and more unique mechanics. need more abilities/units too
-fix player race to human and let players choose race in-game through a dialog or custom trackables menu. will save a lot of space + avoids ppl accidentally choosing night elf/undead

bionic
-only Mass Cryocells and Fusion Plant need the Nuclear Pylon as a requirement
-hellfury mech lacks a portrait
-abilities could be more original, and there should be more upgrades. also imo some units shud have abilities cost energy, so as to punish constant spamming of the ability
-chemical bot's walk anim speed is too fast. also its poison ability has an unfitting icon
-radiator flees whilst attacked. theres a setting that stops fleeing
-mark target needs a buff model, maybe a crosshair attached to the overhead (u cud also use magic sentry buff model)

infested
-wud be cool if zombies had a reincarnation-type ability. i dislike the paralyze ability; % chance abilities shud be left out of rts games as much as possible for obvious reasons
-infested marine ability has a retarded icon
-keeper has 10 mana for no reason. its rooted attack needs a buff OR its siege bonus needs to be 2.5x; right now it actually does less damage vs buildings
-abomination has a tiny shadow, as does the broodmother
-i feel like the fire beast is too op; maybe lower its attack speed by a bit
-theres no invisibility lulz, and imo detection shud be more varied like for the bionics (eg. marked target). wat about a radar scan ability or summon owl scout ability rather than the cnp generic true sight/detection ability?
-the tentacles attached to buildings stay there after the building is destroyed