Romania,Moldova and Transnistria

[The Leader]

1.Putin's aspiration
You know that Transnistria is separatist territory and I think that Putin will try to annex eastern and southern part of Ukraine and Transnistria.

Eastern part of Moldova (in map territory with stripes) was annexed by Russian Empire in 1812:
In map territories represented with red are:
Transilavania,Moldova,Bucovina,Dobrogea.

Many years these territories were under foreign occupation and become part of Romania.After 1940 and today, Moldova is separated from Romania... why? (do you think), because Russia was and will be an Empire that tries to annex again territories that they want (and Ukraine ).

(You know that were 2 Roman Empires and after their collapse,Russia and later Nazi Germany or Third Reich, thought that they were Roman descendants.)

Peter I of Russia wanted to have Constantinopol (today Istanbul).
But this was not so easy and other kings (or tzars),later communists step by step annexed a bit from Moldova and Romania.

Now you know, why Putin tries to annex Transnistria and eastern and southern Ukraine.
(He thinks that he is tzar of the world (king,emperor or what you want) and he will be remembered for this)

Thats why I was talking about here:http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/off-topic-478/ukraine-conflict-248871/

So if Putin will be next years president of Russia, many people will suffer(and russians).

 

[ManYouAreEvil]

I don't know what the discussion should be about.

Isn't it a given fact that these self-governed, seperated states are constantly harassed and often corrupted by russian military forces?

 

[Mechanical Man]

I don't think that Russia will ever go as far as Moldova. It's a big difference, Crimea has extremely important strategic value, it make them control the Black sea, it's like to tell Americans to get out of Guantanamo, Uroševac, Okinawa and many others. Ain't gonna happen. Then there are important industry regions like Doneck and Harkiv. Russians have invested much on this too, so they are may join Russia too if the situation gets worse. However this is where it ends. Moldova has no such values. In Transnistria are the inhabitants who cause problems, not Russia, Russia don't care much about them. You know that there was even a war 20 years ago.

Moldova it's separated from Romania mostly because of Turks. It was occupied by Ottomans until Russians came, who just kept it by theirselves, slowly giving back some of territories. Wallachia was most of the time independent, While Transylvania was under (Austro)hungarian rule. There was a brief period between great wars when they were united, but because they collaborated with the axis (hence against Soviets), they took it back after the war (fortunately for them as autonomnous state).

 

[Zombie]

Just because some fanatical Duma representative got carried away and said Ukraine should be divided into four, it doesn't mean Russia will go around annexing territories randomly.

You shouldn't be worried.

Also, I think Putin is nice. He means good for his people and that's the point of being a country's leader.

 

[The Leader]

Putin is the second ''Hitler'' (why I said this ?) because in Russia propaganda is working very well and by his actions in Ukraine people is killed and this is horrible... And I think that tomorrow will be provocations in Transnistria and maybe Gagauzia ( Gagauzia link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gagauzia ). So tomorrow you know that is 9 May and this day in Soviet Union and today in ex-soviet states like Moldova,Ukraine,Kazahstan and others... is celebrated Victory Day ( link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_Day_(9_May) ). And Putin is use for his propaganda Ribbon of Saint George ( link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribbon_of_Saint_George#Use_in_Ukraine ) In Ukraine is forbidden this propaganda element.

If you think that Putin is a good president,you have made a mistake and why do you think now in Ukraine is this chaos ? Because Putin want to restore Soviet Union... In Slaviansk and other ukranian cities,separatists destroyed 3-4 helicopters ,(HOW ?!???!). This separatists are professional mercenaries,because a simple citizen doesn't know how to destroy a helicopter.Separatists are financed by Russia and this knows maybe everyone.

This is my opinion about this.

 

[The Leader]

You shouldn't be worried.

I think that everyone should be worried about what is happening in Ukraine and Syria also and in the world. People should live in peace and harmony.

(Sorry for double post)

 

[Mechanical Man]

- You think
- Gagauz are Turks, not Russians
- Transnistria isn't even controlled by Moldovan government
- Apparently you don't know about propaganda west of you

Why is chaos in Ukraine? Because they allow massacres of civilians by Right sector, like it was recently in Odessa. Interesting when people rebelled against Yanukovich was cool, now that people rebel against current government, are separatists, terrorists, bandits, ... And of course they are not all simple citizens, it's well known that many soldiers resigned Ukrainian army to join the rebels.

I would also carry that flag if I'm fan of FC Shakhtar Donetsk

 

[The Leader]

- You think
- Gagauz are Turks, not Russians
- Transnistria isn't even controlled by Moldovan government
- Apparently you don't know about propaganda west of you

Why is chaos in Ukraine? Because they allow massacres of civilians by Right sector, like it was recently in Odessa. Interesting when people rebelled against Yanukovich was cool, now that people rebel against current government, are separatists, terrorists, bandits, ... And of course they are not all simple citizens, it's well known that many soldiers resigned Ukrainian army to join the rebels.

I would also carry that flag if I'm fan of FC Shakhtar Donetsk

I didn't said that gagauz are russians but they are manipulated by russians.
People only wanted to join EU. Hmm... but at this moment only in Ukraine are things like these and why these are not happening for example in Belarus ?

Yanukovich was controlled by Putin to have the situation in his hands,Yanukovich was a bandit.You saw photos from his villa near Kiev?

Today in Moldova was prime-minister of Turkey and he talked with our prime-minister and with gagauz and said that Turkey is supporting Moldova and Gagauzia is part of Moldova.(but gagauz will be manipulated by russians as our separatists and separatists from Ukraine and ( why I'm saying about Gagauzia and other things,because WE romanian people suffered from russian occupation for many years and we were separated from Romania and russians want the same with Ukraine and maybe not only with Ukraine.Putin wants to create a new or new separatist-states and as I said to restore Soviet Union. )

"- Apparently you don't know about propaganda west of you " Putin have same ideas as Hitler...no,not the same but Hitler's ideas... Putin is promoting fascism.....

Russians needed every time to have an enemy,if you watch a video about recruiting in army in Russia (and of course video is in russian),you will understand this, and if you studied at history these things,you will understand me,maybe.
(Video link - I'll try to find it )

 

[Zombie]

Well, I simply said Putin means good for his own people (the Russians). I never said he wants to do any good to Ukrainians.

Hitler was not a good leader because his leadership caused the collapse of Germany, you cannot say he didn't mean good for the Germans though. The outcome was not exactly what he intended.

I don't believe Russia will collapse because of Putin.

 

[RED BARON]

That Putin desires some return to the influence Russia had as the USSR is a problem, and the paranoid tendency in regards to NATO as well. That said the disputed area have always been somewhat a problem and ever since it was given as a gift a lot of people have not been overjoyed to be part of a different nation.

However there is a clear difference in how this is being solved. In Denmark we had a vote, when the majority of that part wanted to belong to another country that was what occurred. However it all happened without violence and one cannot deny the fact that Russia has been very active in stocking the fire in order to insure instability that they can make use of. As it was proven rather early on, several of the so called activists were in fact Russian soldiers (not saying all but some). There is the whole "who shot who" mystery and the fact that the fleet was directly attacked. That the illegal vote about being part of Russia or not only having 30% taking part and where the vote actually went 50/50, but still Russia claimed most were for. All is actions meant to provoke and achieve its purpose of annexing the land, with Russia making use of its power to "bully" a solution they want. Not saying that some compromise in regards to those who consider themselves Russian shouldn't be reached, but the methods used are not for the benefit of those people, it is pure politics on a large scale with little consideration to those actually living there.

They had an option to choose more peaceful means, and they didn't. That speaks for itself as to the intention. However calling Putin a second Hitler is going quite a bit too far and I also agree with Zombie that Putin clearly believes he is working for the Russian people by trying to expand, that his methods is more for the benefit of few than the many and propaganda is large part of living in Russia is another side to the story.

 

[Mechanical Man]

The day is coming to end, but I still don't hear anything about Putin invading Moldova as you predict. But I heard that Ukrainian government killed 20 rebels today. All thoughts about Putin invading Moldova are just in your head.

And saying that current chaos is only because of Putin, that isn't true. South and East of Ukraine is much better developed, because of the industry, sea, mining, military, ... and they don't wanna to give all their work to much poorer west. You should know that month ago IMF and other such organization imposed harsh reforms like halved pensions and other social incomes, and increased cost of education, healthcare and so on... and this in the country with 100€ of monthly pay. Yeah right.

I know about Yanukovich golden toilets. But don't think that the architects of the new government are any poorer. It's not coincidence that she's nicknamed Gas princess. And then you have many others like Poroshenko, Pinchuk, Ahmetov, ...

Why this doesn't happen in Belarus? Because they have double pay than the ones in Ukraine (which of course still is pretty low), I would say the standard is at par with Romania. Maybe Lukashenko is a dictator, but still the system still allows a decent life.

 

[The Leader]

The day is coming to end, but I still don't hear anything about Putin invading Moldova as you predict. But I heard that Ukrainian government killed 20 rebels today. All thoughts about Putin invading Moldova are just in your head.

And saying that current chaos is only because of Putin, that isn't true. South and East of Ukraine is much better developed, because of the industry, sea, mining, military, ... and they don't wanna to give all their work to much poorer west. You should know that month ago IMF and other such organization imposed harsh reforms like halved pensions and other social incomes, and increased cost of education, healthcare and so on... and this in the country with 100€ of monthly pay. Yeah right.

I know about Yanukovich golden toilets. But don't think that the architects of the new government are any poorer. It's not coincidence that she's nicknamed Gas princess. And then you have many others like Poroshenko, Pinchuk, Ahmetov, ...

Why this doesn't happen in Belarus? Because they have double pay than the ones in Ukraine (which of course still is pretty low), I would say the standard is at par with Romania. Maybe Lukashenko is a dictator, but still the system still allows a decent life.

Moldova is for ''dessert'' if you understand.
About social,economical problems I know but Putin intesified problems...To live better,people found a way: to join EU. But in november 2013 all has begun.

I know why this doesn't happen in Belarus...I said only for example.This can happen also in Kazahstan or Moldova (because Putin can say that here russian citizens aren't respected etc. and can annex a territory like Crimea,to have intention to ''help'' country) but Putin has intentions now only in Ukraine after that he can to go to Moldova (not all Moldova only Transnistria) and to have borders with Romania at Danube river. (southern part of Ukraine)

''All thoughts about Putin invading Moldova are just in your head.'' I didn't said that in one or two days Putin will invade Moldova, I said this because we have Transnistria were is a russian army and in Gagauzia they try to keep control and by the way our communist and socialist parties are saying that Moldova needs to join Eurasian Economic Union like EU (and Common Wealth of Independent states and Ukraine has left this organization knowing russian plan)
but in this union Putin will control economy of every country (and maybe not only economy ) because Russia has many natural resources and many people needs these. Putin will have situation in his hands.

 

[Heinvers]

I would say the standard is at par with Romania.

The income is higher in Romania than Belarus or Ukraine MM. Research more on this. No Moldova invasion, Russia would want Transnistria naturally along with southern and eastern Ukraine, as you already said because of industrial and economic advantage over the western part of Ukraine.
Let's be honest here, that country is patched together with regions which in the past belonged to other countries, of course it would be quite unstable at times.
Half of the country or more is speaking russian, also the russian Bear would want that country ripped to shreds because of strategical importance and the russian navy in the Black Sea (Sevastopol).
Edit: Indeed the americans have their share of guilt for this too, they shouldn't have interfered there in the first place, you gotta leave some lil' space for the great bear, not corner it completely. When an animal is completely cornered, it has nothing to loose and it could strike at you with full force. With Russia you got to be careful, only nukes could destroy it, or some economical restrains. That being said, watch out for Putin!

 

[The Leader]

The income is higher in Romania than Belarus or Ukraine MM. Research more on this. No Moldova invasion, Russia would want Transnistria naturally along with southern and eastern Ukraine, as you already said because of industrial and economic advantage over the western part of Ukraine.
Let's be honest here, that country is patched together with regions which in the past belonged to other countries, of course it would be quite unstable at times.
Half of the country or more is speaking russian, also the russian Bear would want that country ripped to shreds because of strategical importance and the russian navy in the Black Sea (Sevastopol).
Edit: Indeed the americans have their share of guilt for this too, they shouldn't have interfered there in the first place, you gotta leave some lil' space for the great bear, not corner it completely. When an animal is completely cornered, it has nothing to loose and it could strike at you with full force. With Russia you got to be careful, only nukes could destroy it, or some economical restrains. That being said, watch out for Putin!

I'm agree with you and I was saying about Putin's plan(s). This is true...
Moldova is for ''dessert'' and maybe we will have time to prepare to defend our territory but we will see.