Revenants of Ruins

[Acutesharpness]

AI are great additions, I will see if I can test them out.

 

[Heaven Editor]

Test now. AI is awesome.

 

[Arash]

So goood I played it for 1.5 hour! The AI was good too! Please see ma map and give your Suggestions>>>Battle for Pacific

 

[Arash]

Battle for Pacific V 1.3.3

 

[Arash]

Thanks>>>>>>>>.

 

[Arash]

heloo friend I played your map about 1 hour it was so good and the AI was good too dont be tired Please see my map and give suggestion thanks........Battle for Pacific

 

[Heaven Editor]

Thanks for your feedback and motivation!
I will try my best not to be tired.

I will check your map. Not a problem bro.

 

[Arash]

thanks

 

[Deleted member 247165]

I will give you a 5/5 from my current 4/5 previously, mostly because you really did a good job with your map. I played it 2 days ago but since we were kinda "quarreling" all the time, I did not have the courage to be honest with you. I wish you good luck.

 

[Heaven Editor]

I don't bear much towards our rivalry. But since upon you, no map can compete with yours. I open the challenge.

Thanks for the rating btw. Although I do not see the rating should be upon the amount of changes. Are you rating it that way or? My map is not balance at all.
Anyway. As a challenger. Good luck to you too.

I will see you within this weekend. 27-28 August 2016.

 

[deepstrasz]

-Medalion of Talent is not purple, it's actually blue; might want to check stuff like that
-some items are not placed in their respective coloured bird
(however, the item colour and placement idea is smart)

That Atok guy is pretty much a god.
Game finalize: 0 seconds but nothing happened after Atok became red (changed colour) and cast a spell (animation) only to freeze (animation speed 0).
It's pretty much a who shoots first fest.

4.25/5.

 

[Heaven Editor]

-Medalion of Talent is not purple, it's actually blue; might want to check stuff like that
-some items are not placed in their respective coloured bird
(however, the item colour and placement idea is smart)

Noted. Thanks man. Didn't realize it.

That Atok guy is pretty much a god.

He is. Just for fun. Like you are fighting fountain in Dota. You are not meant to win. But if you win. Then you are very good at playing this map.

Game finalize: 0 seconds but nothing happened after Atok became red (changed colour) and cast a spell (animation) only to freeze (animation speed 0).

Also noted. Miss something again.

It's pretty much a who shoots first fest.

It is currently like that. But I am balancing it as I am typing. Spent hours non-sleeping to solve balancing.

My focus was dim. But thanks a lot for rating my map. It is people like you @deepstrasz, who can make small thing becoming bigger and bigger. Thanks again man.

 

[Manipulation]

1)So i tried Guardian of the Nature and Mortal Predator
Mention if skills do physical or magical damage.
For example, Vines of Root says: damage per second. Make it -> Magical damage per second.

2)Mention if speed items (like boots) stuck.

3)Ever thought of changing the way Attributes and armor function?

 

[Heaven Editor]

1)So i tried Guardian of the Nature and Mortal Predator
Mention if skills do physical or magical damage.
For example, Vines of Root says: damage per second. Make it -> Magical damage per second.

I should give you the pre-test version. I have attended your comment. Thanks man. Feed me more and I will give something in return!
Care to join my team?

2)Mention if speed items (like boots) stuck.

3)Ever thought of changing the way Attributes and armor function?

I don't get you. Sorry. Would you mind explain it a little bit?

 

[Heaven Editor]

New version, balanced gameplay, enjoy the game!

Serving you with all my might!

 

[Chalkie]

The shadow assassin's ULT may need a rework.
It quite powerful if they're the one to be the arena champion. Just lost a game that my team was easily winning due to it.
If we entered the centre to try and congest it, she would pop the ULT and be not be attackable, we would then leave the centre until it was off come back in and rinse and repeat.

Maybe make her attackable whilst with the ULT on if she is tagged with the champion status?

 

[Heaven Editor]

The shadow assassin's ULT may need a rework.
It quite powerful if they're the one to be the arena champion. Just lost a game that my team was easily winning due to it.
If we entered the centre to try and congest it, she would pop the ULT and be not be attackable, we would then leave the centre until it was off come back in and rinse and repeat.

Maybe make her attackable whilst with the ULT on if she is tagged with the champion status?

Have you utilize dust or ward from the Power Pillar?

Btw. Don't forget to vote for the next new hero!

 

[Heaven Editor]

As usual, there are always something to update when major update released. Nevertheless, enjoy the game v3.0d.

 

[Manipulation]

I should give you the pre-test version. I have attended your comment. Thanks man. Feed me more and I will give something in return!
Care to join my team?



I don't get you. Sorry. Would you mind explain it a little bit?

NP i can join the team but honestly im like a wind, i go and come, havent found my place yet :/ What i mean is that i might be gone for weeks or months without visiting commenting or visiting this place. One thing is sure, if im around ill do all i can. So u want such a person ?

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Regarding the game
1)If i make 2 boots items and they both give an amount of speed, do these amounts stick? Like, item A (+60 speed) + item B (+80 speed).
Generally its goot to know when stats stuck and when not. Exceptions to the rules should also be mentioned in the descriptions.

2)Attribute (STR AGI INT) work as in original warcraft and i was just wondering if u ever thought of changing their functionablity. Although something like that would require a form or rebalance.

 

[Heaven Editor]

NP i can join the team but honestly im like a wind, i go and come, havent found my place yet :/ What i mean is that i might be gone for weeks or months without visiting commenting or visiting this place. One thing is sure, if im around ill do all i can. So u want such a person ?

No problem at all man. Joining the team means many things. You can join the team for testing, so that the game goes well and keep upgrading. But if you want to join more, let me know.
When you join the team, you can pick a hero. AI will use your modification for the hero and you will earn your name when AI pick that hero

1)If i make 2 boots items and they both give an amount of speed, do these amounts stick? Like, item A (+60 speed) + item B (+80 speed).
Generally its goot to know when stats stuck and when not. Exceptions to the rules should also be mentioned in the descriptions.

They are not stacking, except by percentage. Correct, I should mention it. Added to note!

2)Attribute (STR AGI INT) work as in original warcraft and i was just wondering if u ever thought of changing their functionablity. Although something like that would require a form or rebalance.

I think not, cause I don't think Warcraft 3 engine is capable to the change as I would want it.

Thanks for your feedback, Manipulation! and Welcome to the team!

 

[Heaven Editor]

Ah. There are so many updates I did. New spawning item, Tablet of Experience. That's all. Others are just fixes and balancing.

This version is getting close to the accepted range of balance game. Trust me.

 

[Manipulation]

Well this is definately improvement!

The item color is a great idea!
Btw you forgot to add color for the Grandtaur's Pulverize upgrade

Do you plan to add more upgrades for each skill via items?

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So i played Mortal Predator and Grandtaur and i was paying attention to their stats which are different enough. Now i am curious, did u give them unique stats after thinking what stats would fit them or their stats are kind of randomly decided?
As a person that values unique characteristics above balance i think it would be a good idea to give each hero as unique/fitting stats as possible, even if that means that for example at max lvl a specific hero might end up with 1-2 base armor, or every low HP, STR, or whatever.
Thats why a couple of comments above i asked u if you ever thought of changing the functionablity of the attributes, so that in a way to make them more complex hence heroes themselves become more unique.

(what i wrote in this second part is mostly food for thought).

 

[Heaven Editor]

Well this is definately improvement!

Woot! Thanks man. Appreciate it.

The item color is a great idea!
Btw you forgot to add color for the Grandtaur's Pulverize upgrade

The basic item color is white. That is why. ;P

Do you plan to add more upgrades for each skill via items?

Oh yes, special rectify is incoming. Want to give any suggestion?

Now i am curious, did u give them unique stats after thinking what stats would fit them or their stats are kind of randomly decided?

They are uniquely decided based on standard balance hero. One hero has higher hp but lesser movement while another has higher movement while lower hp. Basically, one point increases, another point decreases.

As a person that values unique characteristics above balance i think it would be a good idea to give each hero as unique/fitting stats as possible, even if that means that for example at max lvl a specific hero might end up with 1-2 base armor, or every low HP, STR, or whatever.
Thats why a couple of comments above i asked u if you ever thought of changing the functionablity of the attributes, so that in a way to make them more complex hence heroes themselves become more unique.

Do you mean that there could be a hero with enormous points to attribute (or property) 'A' with shallow points to attribute 'B'?
E.g. Strength is 100 but attack took 10 seconds at start.
I agree with you. More distinctive heroes will be significant with far differences. I have seen some maps with this implemented like Custom Hero Survival, Fighter of Character and etc. I think this is a fine idea. But that hero must require thoughtful skills in order to balance it throughout the game. And I don't want some heroes got banned due to the imbalance.

Hey, you could craft one! Give an idea of hero and its skills. It is sure fun to see your hero design in my map.

 

[Manipulation]

My way of thinking follows this order: First create heroes with stats and skills that do make sense and fit them. Then after you have created all your heroes start working on balance. I mean this is what i would do but i understand that u have already balanced things so my way of thinking doesnt help here.

What i am going to write below isnt exactly a suggetion its just what i would like to see. What im going to write below is an attempt to give u my perspective so that you understand better why i say the things i say.
I honestly dont want to force anything upon anyone, cause i believe creativty isnt something that can be copied in a genuine form. I believe everyone should do whatever he feels, im just here sharing thoughts.

Nowadays game developers care so much about balance that they throw away unique features (heroes, skills etc), they simplify classes, and want to give each class equal chances against another class or even against PVE and this is bad because you end up playing a game where everything feels the same, everyone has everything and everyone is equal which basically defeats uniqueness, defeats the class system itsself, defeats meaning.

I want you to picture Centuar and Rylai. What differences do u see on these two heroes? I mean how much do you think Centaur weights compare to Rylai? how stronger is physically Centaur compare to Rylai?....

For example, i would make Rylai auto attacks melee and not range (attacking with the staff in melee) and at lvl25 she would have only 10-15 dmg while a hero such as the Centaur would have 150-185. At level 25 Centuar would have x5 time more HP than Rylai (not counting any type of skills).
In what Rylai would excel? She would excel in magic, dealing damge and support allies through her active and passive skills.

I would embrace the special characteristics of each hero and build on those characteristics.

I would NOT have standard amount of skills per hero and they wouldnt be just actives. I would try to give each hero the stats and skills that fit them and make sense for them (as i said above).

I would have skills that scale with attributes or generally other stats. Just because Centuar is a fighter that wouldnt mean that all his skills would scale with STR, instead i would try to make the skills scale with as many different stats/attributes as possible giving build options to the heroe.

Since in AOS games there were never really weapons slots, helm slots, boots slots etc i would totally get rid of that idea and instead i would call them Magical Body Tattoos (or something like that) that enchance you with powers. Then i would create these "items" to support all kinds of skills/stats etc and balance the game that way.

In the end a map of this kind wouldnt be the most balanced but it would definately be unique and interesting with a goal to become as balanced as possible WITHOUT ruining its uniqueness and its core rules/principles.

 

[Heaven Editor]

I think if you could develop a map on your own, you would produce a good single or coop RPG. Your ideas are quite good in the sense of RPG. Balancing is mostly appreciated to PVP as people want fairness among their choices. But PVE, I am also sure that the uniqueness will be really appreciated too.

 

[Suzumebachi]

IMO aquasorceress is too OP.. her 1st skill (wave with knockback) is just too powerful when used at melee range.

 

[Heaven Editor]

Its easy to do melee to AI while it is hard to do it in PvP. You can use Windsage (south shop, purple bird) to counter it or Porthole Jumper (north shop, blue bird).

Thanks for the feedback and your support <3

Follow me on twitch for further development of RoR! Twitch

 

[Acutesharpness]

Alright, I just tested playing as Meraculous, the Hero is wonderful. The root is legit and lots of trees lol. I still think the scout spirit is useless, pollent is so cool. That ultimate is too strong, way too strong, if those spirit could detonate T_T. . .

I will talk about the game, the play time is about 15 minutes, pace is a little slow. The abilities for this Hero is really good but the key arena aspects of the game starve single player badly. The ease of rushing through Revenant is a thing, which I had told you in your stream . . .

Now that I tested it, I can say that there needs to be more levels of difficulty before the countdown for winners begin, this time playing with one AI. Atok is absolutely impossible. Gold is relatively easy to obtain, more competitive elements is desirable.

Terrain is a wonderful thing, I wouldn't complain too much. Although I would hold the rating on this, I do want to see more single player action

 

[Heaven Editor]

Alright, I just tested playing as Meraculous, the Hero is wonderful. The root is legit and lots of trees lol. I still think the scout spirit is useless, pollent is so cool. That ultimate is too strong, way too strong, if those spirit could detonate T_T. . .

It is too strong? Okey, gonna do something about it and his skills

I will talk about the game, the play time is about 15 minutes, pace is a little slow. The abilities for this Hero is really good but the key arena aspects of the game starve single player badly. The ease of rushing through Revenant is a thing, which I had told you in your stream . . .

Now that I tested it, I can say that there needs to be more levels of difficulty before the countdown for winners begin, this time playing with one AI. Atok is absolutely impossible. Gold is relatively easy to obtain, more competitive elements is desirable.

Terrain is a wonderful thing, I wouldn't complain too much. Although I would hold the rating on this, I do want to see more single player action

Points are taken
Thanks a lot friend! <3

 

[Heaven Editor]

Haha. New update. 2 new heroes. Enjoy!

 

[Laiev]

As you said to post on hive, so here we go.

Hero: Tygore
Q
- Cancelling the cast still stun.
- Can't cancel fast enough.

W
- I think is too much two channeling spell for the same way, also a little of no point an aoe healing.

E
- I don't know how but the number never goes down anymore, just a fast flash showing 300 and them 640 (my max damage right now).
- The damage is too fast scalled, you should increase the distance needed for each instance of damage.

D
- Bugged enemy on cliff.


Hero: Volcanic Core
- His summons don't attack enemies, just move around in the point of the target.

Hero: Amberella
R
- If I sell the item bonus while the duration of the buff is on, in the end, my attribute will be negatived. I'm with -60 (+ 45) intelligence, so no mana and can't do anything in the game anymore.

Hero: Angin
W
- The mana cost is too high for an auto-cast on attack spell.
E
- Item name is writted Royal Touch but in the shop it is Royaltouch.

Item: Prime Lucent
- Is not working the recipe, Dream Sphere + Medallion of Talent don't merge to make a Prime Lucent.

Gameplay
- Description of 2 new heroes are missing.
- I have 700 damage and I'm stuck on Revenant 13 too much stronger for single player, as I said, he should scale with number of players.
- Atok is almost impossible in single player.

 

[aeman]

man do you have any idea for the hero and enemies' name, you giving them name like 'ganas' and 'hantu'. i don't pay the some attention while i play but after i played it again i noticed their name like a joke for me

 

[Heaven Editor]

man do you have any idea for the hero and enemies' name, you giving them name like 'ganas' and 'hantu'. i don't pay the some attention while i play but after i played it again i noticed their name like a joke for me

Man, where were you all this while. You want to know something. Those names are direct translation from malay language. 'Ganas' means brutal, while 'Hantu' means ghost. I can find a good name for them. That is going to take some time. But why not let other people find the names for them instead. I really love to share this project (map) with creative people. I think you understand the name already. Any idea. Hehe.

Hero: Tygore

Q : Fix description allowing stun
W : Channeling defense (while Q is channeling offense). Buffed it to let the skill becoming useful (v3.1c).
E : The number updates very fast as the hero moves. Play more to understand pattern of the relationship between distance and damage.
D : Fixed that. I missed the pather on that. Sorry!

Hero: Volcanic Core

The lava will attack when you attack. Position of lava affect decision of Molten Flow. Some of them should move around.

Hero: Amberella

R : My fault! Fixing it!

Hero: Angin

W : You are right. Too much mana!
E : Easy fix. Thanks for being details.

Item: Prime Lucent

I can't believe I missed this. Fixed (v3.1c).

Gameplay
- Description of 2 new heroes are missing.
- I have 700 damage and I'm stuck on Revenant 13 too much stronger for single player, as I said, he should scale with number of players.
- Atok is almost impossible in single player.

I will add their descriptions later. Maybe only for difficulty. I have not produce any specific history for them yet. Don't worry about it. You can contribute if you want
Is it too hard? He is already scaled to num. of players. Nevermind, I have reconfigured the difficulties.
Nerfed Atok.

 

[Laiev]

E : The number updates very fast as the hero moves. Play more to understand pattern of the relationship between distance and damage.

I noticed that. The problem I told you before is: the damage DON'T change at all, and the distance I moved is like, 50 or less... Also tried in long distances, no update too.
For example: Instead of 10 distance walked increase 1 instance, change it to for each 50-100 distance walked increase 1 instance.

The lava will attack when you attack. Position of lava affect decision of Molten Flow. Some of them should move around.

I didn't played him, the AI was doing it.

The summons just don't attack anyone... It is just ordering to move to target location, not attack move. I don't know exactly what is the problem, if AI or Summon itself.

Is it too hard? He is already scaled to num. of players. Nevermind, I have reconfigured the difficulties.
Nerfed Atok.

I managed to kill both of them with other character, so probably it's ok (of course, I was using 4 Divine Reaper's lol so... that was pretty fast to be honest...). The Atok as I said to you on Twitch, I let my team mate kill him, while I heal them with the channeling skill we discussed before.

 

[Heaven Editor]

I noticed that. The problem I told you before is: the damage DON'T change at all, and the distance I moved is like, 50 or less... Also tried in long distances, no update too.
For example: Instead of 10 distance walked increase 1 instance, change it to for each 50-100 distance walked increase 1 instance.

Okey, I have calibrated the distance to damage to be smoother

I didn't played him, the AI was doing it.

The summons just don't attack anyone... It is just ordering to move to target location, not attack move. I don't know exactly what is the problem, if AI or Summon itself.

Yup, the summon will never attack anyone unless Volcanic Core started to attack someone. There is no problem there.

I managed to kill both of them with other character, so probably it's ok (of course, I was using 4 Divine Reaper's lol so... that was pretty fast to be honest...). The Atok as I said to you on Twitch, I let my team mate kill him, while I heal them with the channeling skill we discussed before.

I think they are both quite strong. Imagine other teams are try hard to win. ^_^" NERFED REQUIRED. Weeeeee

Balancing Light Bringer as we commented.

 

[aeman]

You know you can rename angin to gale, typhon or other name in other language that means wind

 

[Heaven Editor]

You know you can rename angin to gale, typhon or other name in other language that means wind

Gale and typhon sound the same as angin.

Pick your choice
Angin change to Cyclone, Derecho, Aeolian, Aeolus, Beaufort, Kinetic, Bayu, Boreas, Notus, Eurus, Zephyrus, Astraeus, Norori, Sauri, Austri, Vestri, Stribog, Kamikaze

Do you want to help with other names or want me to think of myself. Anyhow, will definitely going to turn them cool for you.

 

[aeman]

Gale and typhon sound the same as angin.

Pick your choice
Angin change to Cyclone, Derecho, Aeolian, Aeolus, Beaufort, Kinetic, Bayu, Boreas, Notus, Eurus, Zephyrus, Astraeus, Norori, Sauri, Austri, Vestri, Stribog, Kamikaze

Do you want to help with other names or want me to think of myself. Anyhow, will definitely going to turn them cool for you.

good i can help

 

[Heaven Editor]

Erm. You should pick one from the list of names that Angin would change to. I just gonna pick Aeolian for now.

 

[aeman]

Erm. You should pick one from the list of names that Angin would change to. I just gonna pick Aeolian for now.

how bout Fūjin

 

[Heaven Editor]

Cool. Okey. Name edited. Go for 'Ganas'!

 

[aeman]

good i got 4 name for 'Ganas'
pick one

hyperion
zelus
ares
tartarus

 

[Heaven Editor]

hyperion
zelus
ares

These are godly name while Damned Amok is just rage barbarian.

Tartarus almost okey but more of demonic rather hulk type.

 

[aeman]

These are godly name while Damned Amok is just rage barbarian.

Tartarus almost okey but more of demonic rather hulk type.

Belias(came from other game)
Baal(not a good idea cuz demon name)
Triminac(both came from other game)
Malacath(both came from other game)
Grogmar
Hakhtjord
Shkurtoj

 

[aeman]

'Baddang' Lel

 

[Heaven Editor]

Hehehe. Cause you are late! Badang is a good person from Malay fictional story actually. New name from you in 3.1d. Don't worry.

Btw, do you think the game balance enough? Do you enjoy it?

 

[aeman]

Hehehe. Cause you are late! Badang is a good person from Malay fictional story actually. New name from you in 3.1d. Don't worry.

Btw, do you think the game balance enough? Do you enjoy it?

uhh, sad to know that and some spell are meant or not meant to be fairly strong ?, cuz they're quick in dealing massive dmg

 

[Heaven Editor]

uhh, sad to know that

Don't be sad. Still can edit the name. Now I am focusing on gameplay balancing. And yes, this is fast game.

At early stage, heroes cannot perform much of damage. If any ability was mistakenly chosen, you can always go to Atok to retrain your hero to get other appropriate ability.

 

[aeman]

hey can you teach me how to map

 

[Heaven Editor]

hey can you teach me how to map

Oh man. I can if you want to pay me.