Revenants of Ruins

[Moderator]

19:45, 29th May 2015
Shadow Fury: Map approved mostly based on Ardenian's review. I'd like to add a few other things on what he said:

1- The terrain in the shallow waters needs to be decorated with watery doodads (cattails, river rushes etc...)
2- Mortal Predator's skill "Isolate" seems to let Relic Revenants sleep forever and become permanently invulnerable when they are still not moving
3- Relic Revenants are too weak and lack skills. I'd suggest making them stronger and adding abilities to them as well
4- The item Edge of Blaze has a damaging aura which also damages friendly units. Fix that
5- Firepots need to be stronger, not just the Ancient Towers. Getting the possession of a crypt is a very big advantage therefore big advantages require big efforts.

Overall I think the map can be approved with a rating of 3/5. It provides a short but entertaining gameplay with its simplicity and unique marvellous skills.

After the updates, I would like to raise my rating to 4/5. Congratulations!

 

[Justas]

Very compact description , anyways I gonna try and look what you have done here.

 

[Heaven Editor]

There are many information to fit in. Take your time to look around .

I have added basic tutorial. I am thinking if I should add game tips.

 

[Chaosy]

This looks pretty neat actually.

 

[Heaven Editor]

Thank you Chaosy. Is the game or the description may I ask?

Btw, I am hoping for someone to rate my map. May I ask you?

 

[Ardenian]

Personal ( unofficial) Review

Positive things I noticed:

Other stuff, bugs, et cetera...:

+ Different heroes with custom names, creative ideas + Multi shot does not shoot through door + Many strategically abilities for towers, fire pits, heroes + Many path opportunities, 'secret' ways + Nice and colourful descriptions for abilities, items and others + Weather effects give an additional mood to the game + Creative abilities that often remind me of Dota and Hero Arena maps

- You could be more creative with hero icons, use custom ones! - Ancient towers have no initially defences, it is too easy to capture them, maybe add a creep group or something else that prevents it being captured easily - If crypt door closes many creeps get stuck, it is annoying to free them via pit ability - Trees are often misplaced, making pathing of hero a difficult thing - Bolded words are sometimes rather random and unncecessary, + but they give them your own style, so don't remove them - Severe: Allied creeps attack themselves if spawn from different crypts, ruining gameplay. You should fix that.

More / different runes, only rune of restoration is boring Make inside of temple more.. 'insiderish', give it a better feeling, terrain the entranced in a way they indicate the players enter a building ( shadow alone is not enough, in my opinion Jump ability of Moon Princess is a bit difficult to aim, maybe one gets used to it Earthquake weather is too weak Tower reveal seems to reveal a bit too big area, in my opinion Revenants could have a greater damage output

An exciting hero arena map with interesting gameplay and objectives. In its current state, it seems to be a bit simple tho. The objective is fast absolved and the map offers only a short gameplay. Nonetheless, the abilities of the heroes are very creative and offer great gameplay and tactical options, as every player wishes them. This map has a great potential, in my opinion! Personal Rating: Recommend 4/5 Personal Status: Awaiting Update

 

[Heaven Editor]

Thank you so much for your rating and support. Tell me how can I repay you!

Positive things I noticed:

+ If you noticed, I reduce the amount of random things too. No hero has random based skill. No item has percentage effect such as the basic critical or bash.
+ Tower can predict weather!

Other stuff, bugs, et cetera...:

1. I wish I could use custom icons, but they will increase the file size. In fact, I want all customized.
2. The Ancient Tower is intended to be defenseless at the beginning to allow heroes to have a location of security easily. So that, hero being chased by the enemy team can run to the tower.
3. That's annoying? Firepot should have control open/ close gate. That is for sure to be added that sir. Thank you for that!
4. Trees (rainfall weather) birth location is random so that the weather is terribly affects the game like other weathers.
5. Have to be different at some point sir. Thank you!
6. Purposely do not allied the skeletons because the skeleton bow only to the owner of its Firepots. I do not know this, never tested yet, if all skeletons allied by one player, is the player is going to be unstoppable. :\
We can test this. Actually, I don't have any tester yet (see credits). I want to invite you to be a tester or as someone who is actively involved in this project. This project is just born. We can shape this game to become like DotA 2! and Invite more gamers to join me!!!

Suggestions:

1. I did create many runes. 9 different runes in total. But ftr says that rune is the significant feature of DotA. In order to be original, I just use 1 rune for life saving purpose only. Not significant as DotA but useful.
2. Yeah, you are right.
3. We will see when more gamers are playing this map.
4. Try earthquake after 1 minute.
5. Well, this one depends on crowd's voting. I want to see more comments on this...

Result:

Thank you so much. It lifts my spirit and motivates me to bring this project until it is recognized world wide.
I am doing business case for this project though. Ruins in wc3 is just a prototype. Computer entertainment companies can take a look at the business case as a proposal.

 

[Heaven Editor]

Map approved mostly based on Ardenian's review. I'd like to add a few other things on what he said:...

I cannot say how much I appreciate your kindness to approve this map. Thank you!
1. That is true... Will definitely decorate the water area.
2. Omg, will fix that immediately.
3. I will create a system for revenant strength for less and many players. If revenant is too strong, game is too difficult to handle as a player has to fight with another team too. Else, the game will be too easy.
4. Ops. Will fix that.
5. Easy? Okey. I will think of something that makes it not that easy.

How do I add you, Shadow Fury rep from here? I want to add.

 

[Shadow Fury]

Map approved with a rating of 3/5 Good job!

 

[Ardenian]

Answer to quotes

1. I wish I could use custom icons, but they will increase the file size. In fact, I want all customized.

Ah, come on a few BTN and DISBTN for the heroes won't kill the filesize

2. The Ancient Tower is intended to be defenseless at the beginning to allow heroes to have a location of security easily. So that, hero being chased by the enemy team can run to the tower.

Ah, I understand, I am too used to have a starter base.

6. Purposely do not allied the skeletons because the skeleton bow only to the owner of its Firepots. I do not know this, never tested yet, if all skeletons allied by one player, is the player is going to be unstoppable. :\

Hm, as far as I understand you have four different computer players. These four different computer players attack each other ( = skeletons). I am not sure why they do, has probably something to do with the alliance setting

1. I did create many runes. 9 different runes in total. But ftr says that rune is the significant feature of DotA. In order to be original, I just use 1 rune for life saving purpose only. Not significant as DotA but useful.

Oh, I am sorry then, I only saw Runes of Restaurations.

 

[Heaven Editor]

reply

Map approved with a rating of 3/5 Good job!

Thanks again.
I suggest you try with multiplayer sir.

Ah, come on a few BTN and DISBTN for the heroes won't kill the filesize

I am planning for more heroes. Vote for Archmage Jaina next?

Hm, as far as I understand you have four different computer players. These four different computer players attack each other ( = skeletons). I am not sure why they do, has probably something to do with the alliance setting

I made them attack each other regardless you owned all their Firepots. I predicted that if they are allied when a player got all the Firepots, the player will be unstoppable and the skeletons would be mostly roaming around. Hm.

Oh, I am sorry then, I only saw Runes of Restaurations.

No sir, it just spawn only one rune, Rune of Restoration. For originality (not significant as game changing factor like in DotA), removing randomness and retaining simplicity (allow players to focus on other original features); players can focus on control points rather than taking rune.

 

[aeman]

atok means grandfather in malay

 

[Heaven Editor]

you bet cha.

There is a story behind who is Atok, the map, and why there is a clash between Luminous and Overcast.

 

[raisen]

Great Jaina

 

[Heaven Editor]

Great Jaina

More great and awesome heroes in mind. Ideas have been developed. Just wait to be released. Ask your friend to involve because there will be more voting!

 

[Ardenian]

More great and awesome heroes in mind. Ideas have been developed. Just wait to be released. Ask your friend to involve because there will be more voting!

But you will not name her Jaina / base her on Jaina, will you ?

Will you create a completely new hero, like you did with Moon Priestess or do you will take Jaina ( default and lore) completely as role-model for the new hero ?

 

[Heaven Editor]

But you will not name her Jaina / base her on Jaina, will you ?

Will you create a completely new hero, like you did with Moon Priestess or do you will take Jaina ( default and lore) completely as role-model for the new hero ?

Yeah. You know it. Just the model.
Btw. I can't wait to release v1.2. It is more exciting and energetic! especially in Multiplayer.

 

[Ardenian]

Yeah. You know it. Just the model.
Btw. I can't wait to release v1.2. It is more exciting and energetic! especially in Multiplayer.

Oh, I am very excited, too!

When are you going to release it ?

 

[Heaven Editor]

Oh, I am very excited, too!

When are you going to release it ?

Maybe tonight. I'm testing now.

 

[Shadow Fury]

Great job! After you've fixed some of the bugs and balanced the gameplay more, I raised my rating to 4/5. Keep updating, don't stop.

 

[Heaven Editor]

Great job! After you've fixed some of the bugs and balanced the gameplay more, I raised my rating to 4/5. Keep updating, don't stop.

Woa! Thank you! Appreciate it man
I thought I have to notify you. You know what, IMO I think you would not be a trial map moderator any sooner. You are suitable to be a map moderator now.

 

[Shadow Fury]

Woa! Thank you! Appreciate it man
I thought I have to notify you. You know what, IMO I think you would not be a trial map moderator any sooner. You are suitable to be a map moderator now.

I already know when a map is updated because it gets "bumped" (gets at the top of the list) and I don't mind remoderating maps, especially when they have a good neat changelog like yours.
And thanks but the trial must last at least one month. We'll have to wait xD

 

[Heaven Editor]

I already know when a map is updated because it gets "bumped" (gets at the top of the list) and I don't mind remoderating maps, especially when they have a good neat changelog like yours.
And thanks but the trial must last at least one month. We'll have to wait xD

I see, still require many efforts to look into my map though. Thanks!
Yeah, we shall wait. You will get it i'm sure.

 

[PunkBloodhound]

Awesome map 5 up!

 

[Heaven Editor]

Awesome map 5 up!

Thank you! Follow this project. Version 1.3 is coming up. Testing today.

 

[raisen]

you are now working on?

 

[Heaven Editor]

you are now working on?

v1.3 and follow by v2.0.

See remarks!

 

[raisen]

v1.3 and follow by v2.0.

See remarks!

Expecting for more features, keep it up!

 

[Heaven Editor]

Expecting for more features, keep it up!

Sure!

You will love v2.0. Lot of things will be added! So, keep subscribed!

 

[Heaven Editor]

V2.0 Released

Version 2 is finally out. Tell me what you think about it. Most importantly... Enjoy!!!

Btw, ignore the poll. I will fix it later. Cannot find any way to update it.

 

[Ardenian]

Good job with version 2.0

Item purchasing has never been so easy. Is there a penalty on purchasing higher insta crafted recipes ? If not, I would suggest you to add one.
The custom interface is nice, too.

A good thing now would be an A.I. to play solo, especially for testing issues, but also to replace players in multi player, for example when teams are uneven in the lobby, but all players are to impatient to wait for additional players and such.
This is a great point I would personally like to see next.

 

[Heaven Editor]

Good job with version 2.0

Thanks man.
Have you seen Atok?

Item purchasing has never been so easy. Is there a penalty on purchasing higher insta crafted recipes ? If not, I would suggest you to add one.
The custom interface is nice, too.

No penalty at all. Any idea to add the penalty?
Talking about balancing, after doing some observations, I think I need to reduce the game pace. What do you think?

A good thing now would be an A.I. to play solo, especially for testing issues, but also to replace players in multi player, for example when teams are uneven in the lobby, but all players are to impatient to wait for additional players and such.
This is a great point I would personally like to see next.

Absolutely, A.I. would be so nice for many reasons. Unfortunately, I never code A.I. before. Anything that can help me to learn about it?

 

[Ardenian]

No penalty at all. Any idea to add the penalty?
Talking about balancing, after doing some observations, I think I need to reduce the game pace. What do you think?

Well, there should be a difference between crafting them item by item and purchasing them instantly, in my opinion.
Basically, I would suggest that you increase the prize for the final product / the instant item. So, crafting item by item would allow you to save some money.
The problem with this is that you can abuse it. I can craft low stuff and sell it to make some profit. To solve this I would suggest that only the final items ( items that cannot be crafted anymore) get a higher instant prize than the materials cost for.
Maybe someone else has an idea, too.

I don't think the game pace is too fast. You could experiment whether another pace is better, I could imagine one slower level could greatly improve the gameplay. This is something that one has to test out.

Absolutely, A.I. would be so nice for many reasons. Unfortunately, I never code A.I. before. Anything that can help me to learn about it?

Hive's tutorials contain all knowledge you need
Go to the tutorials section ( the link on the top left of the Hive panel), then press CTRL+F, type in AI ( capital letters!) and go for the option that takes care of the type of the letters, whether they are capital ones or not.
Then you fast face a lot of tutorials.

I cannot help you with that, it is something I never got into it as I never needed it.

 

[Heaven Editor]

So, crafting item by item would allow you to save some money.

Yes, that is the best idea of penalty

I don't think the game pace is too fast. You could experiment whether another pace is better, I could imagine one slower level could greatly improve the gameplay. This is something that one has to test out.

I shall experimenting it. Thanks!

 

[Heaven Editor]

New Update with Version 2.1! Many Improvements have been made. Hope you all love it!

 

[Arad MNK]

Cool new update!!

 

[Heaven Editor]

Cool new update!!

Thanks man. But I made a mistake. The winning countdown time is 20 seconds only. v2.1a is out though. Thanks and Sorry! XP

 

[Heaven Editor]

New update. v2.2. With a new Hero, Brutelord!

Check it out! Must check it out okey. And tell me what you feel about the new hero.

 

[Heaven Editor]

Anyone wants to play or test this map with me. PM me.

Also, Anyone thinks that any hero is difficult or need changes. Just tell me.

 

[Heaven Editor]

After so many updates. I think my map need a new review. Anyone happens to be in this page. Help me review my map. Thanks a lot guys.

 

[neo_sluf]

I want to review the gameplay but I can't since it.has no AI.

So just on the UI
- Change the text on IDLE WORKERS.
- Change the text on Quest to Information or Guides or Help.

My observation
- Well made terrain!
- Ability tooltips are well made. I try the Pyromancer and I understand his skills easily. Well done.
- Enemies are balance. Even I am alone I can still kill creeps and not get overwhelmed.
- I am surprised that I started the Weather but I get affected?
- It really discouraging to start the weather if you will also suffer.

Problems needs to be fix.
- Remove the Player in the multiboard if it is an Computer. This will prevent confusion.
LAG SPIKES.
- Study how Preloading Files is done.
- Use Maker's ArcingFloatingText

I love designing AI for Multiplayer Arena. Try my Hero Arena Maps. If you like how the AI works tell me I will share you the code.

 

[Heaven Editor]

I want to review the gameplay but I can't since it.has no AI.

Ouh. Would be awesome if you can. :\

So just on the UI

Thanks! You are meticulous. ^^

Thanks for your compliments!!! Really lift my spirit up.

- I am surprised that I started the Weather but I get affected?
- It really discouraging to start the weather if you will also suffer.

Good point. I should think of advantage to the caster!

- Remove the Player in the multiboard if it is an Computer. This will prevent confusion.

I see. No problem.

LAG SPIKES.
- Study how Preloading Files is done.
- Use Maker's ArcingFloatingText

Sure. I'll study and utilize them. This is important to for smooth and beautiful gameplay. Thanks man.

I would really appreciate if you could comment on gameplay my friend. Help me please. ))

And I player your map. Wow. Good job on the AI. Please share to me. My first AI credit!!!

 

[Manipulation]

If you still work on this.

The map does look good but i cant tell when skills do magical or physical dmg. I noticed that for some heroes it says that the skills isnt being influenced by magical but what about the rest of the heroes.
What i am asking is: can u make more clear whether a skill does physical or magical dmg?

 

[Heaven Editor]

Sure. Why not. I am making AI btw. It's really hard. Hope people like it.

 

[Acutesharpness]

Dude, Atok is too hard in single player D:

 

[Heaven Editor]

Sorry about that. But you are not meant to defeat him anyways. "Lorewise".
Unless you have really powerful items. "Gameplaywise".

 

[Heaven Editor]

After 2 days of submission, I suddenly remember that I forgot to type something in the comment section.

AI is available. Read news and enjoy

 

[Acutesharpness]

I fine it easy to destroy those revenants with the fountain active, may be activate it only AFTER they are all dead XD

 

[Heaven Editor]

Oh. Fountain? Which version are you playing? Most later version (v3.0a) has AI. Download now and play! Also give your rating and whatever, I don't really mind getting bashes. I am currently updating story and description of heroes. They were suck.