Pokémans thread

[Wazzz]

Nah, they were classic man, Gold/Silver is the best one imo tho. The only thing I really like about the new additions are the moves. I also like the actual gameplay of Black and White, but as far as I'm concerned Gold/Silver is still the best =D
Skarmory FTW!

 

[The World Is Flat]

I was offered 50 bucks by a idiot at my elementary school years ago for my yellow version. I don't recall buying yellow myself, i think i found it somwhere.

I refused.
Thats how much i loved pokemon, but hell, i'm no fanatic like you, i have no idea how the stats correlate, or why you need special defense and offense, hell i dont even care, i just wanna wear out my thumbs on my GAME BOY.

Now all these overly comblicated fake looking pokemon coem around...'
the original designs were fun, not too many of them looked like they were made out of plastic... now with all the new ones... i want to blow somone up... they look like action figures.

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

Lol, Attack won't do you any good if you're using a move that's not physical (like most fire/water movies) - but yeah I remember pumping Calcium (or whatever that item is that permanently boosts attack) into my Blastoise in yellow version too

 

[Wazzz]

lol, I remember Gyrados being my all time fav pokemon back then. Ironic how it always had such awesome special attacks when it's Attack stat is its best

@TWIF: You turned down 50 bucks for a pokemon yellow that you may have paid nothing for? You mad, bru? O:

 

[Pyritie]

fuck yeah gen 3 remakes, favourite gen

Lol ya, I've seen that on bulbapedia, looks badass =D
Bet it will be ranked as an Uber poke in no time

It may have stupidly high special attack but it's too slow and has crappy defenses. A choice scarf can fix its speed but then you miss the ability to come in on a choiced fighting or normal attack and calm mind up.

Now all these overly comblicated fake looking pokemon coem around...'
the original designs were fun, not too many of them looked like they were made out of plastic... now with all the new ones... i want to blow somone up... they look like action figures.

nostalgiagoggles detected

fanart will fix everything

 

[Wazzz]

Incidentally, check out Ulgamoth. Imo, it's a pretty awesome pokemon, brilliant sweeper. Give it Choice Specs or Choice Scarf and it will rape, or give it the new Butterfly Dance to make it really op (yea, these new stat enhancing moves are getting ridiculous. Butterfly Dance improves Special Defense, Special Attack AND Speed. Imagine getting 6 of those off with Leftovers. You would outspeed everything that counters you.

As for the Genesect pokemon, allow me to analyze what it can actually be used for (haven't looked at it properly yet):

- It's speed isn't too bad. If you did run a choice scarf set, you could opt to go for a mixed attacker set with choice scarf if you wanted. That way you could hit hard on all types of pokemon. But I don't like this idea too much atm.

- Zap Cannon + Claw Sharpen sweep may prove useful. Claw Sharpen improves attack and accuracy, and Zap Cannon needs a lot of accuracy. Additionally, you could throw in some physical attacks in the mix to exploit the attack bonus. X-Scissor would be a good one, so would Slash or Shadow Claw.

- Substitute allows this pokemon to come in, force the switch and then set up a sweep.

- If you're concerned about it's speed being a factor, why not use Thunderwave after forcing the switch? First off, you would use Substitute if you did force a switch just to be safe they're not predicting a T-Wave.

- Alternatively, you could give him Rock Polish. Additonally, Claw Sharpen could be used, but I wouldn't reccomend two status attacks unless you felt confident in your attacking move types. If you don't go wih Claw Sharpen as well, you could opt for being a special attacker and max out that as well as speed, giving modest nature.

- Set I would use would be Rock Polish, Charge Beam, Flamethrower, Bug Buzz. The item would be Focus Sash (that's the one stops them from being 0HKO'd, isn't it?) just so you can set up the sweep and expect to kill off the counter.

- With the above set, you would have to be careful with when you bring it in. Otherwise you could foolishly lose it. Don't show them this too early, it would be your trump card.

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

fanart will fix everything

Basically you need other people to un-derp the new things - seems like a failure on the game artist's part. Some of the later ones look pretty good imo, but a lot of the new earlier ones are pretty dumb - like that bat thing, I didn't think they'd be able to out do themselves on zubat when it comes to annoying face to look at when you're going through a cave, now you're gonna get spammed with that things smiling ass, and hate it the whole time.

You don't need it to finish the dex though, it's mainly just a reason to get the kiddies to buy a crap game that teaches them to draw circles.

Idk about the one you're talking about, but I know the ones from the earlier games sucked anyways

I was talking about the toss in "bonus" ones you get from the older ranger games

 

[dead-man-walking]

Butterfly Dance

Don't forget Coil, which is basically the Physical version of it and Giaru's Gear Change, which increases Speed by two stages and Attack by one stage.

Freakin' rad brah.

 

[Wazzz]

Ooh, I did forget Coil and I hadn't even heard of Gear Change before D:
But the reason Butterfly Dance is so damn op is because Ulgamoth gets it. And Ulgamoth already has pretty insane Special Attack, Special Defense and Speed

There's also one I've seen on Cloyster called Shell Smash, decreases both defenses by two levels, but increases Attack, Special Attack and Speed by two levels each. Combine this with Iron Defense and you'll only need to worry about Special Attacks

 

[Pyritie]

There's also one I've seen on Cloyster called Shell Smash, decreases both defenses by two levels, but increases Attack, Special Attack and Speed by two levels each. Combine this with Iron Defense and you'll only need to worry about Special Attacks

Yeah, practically anything with a shell gets it. Gorebyss with it (from clamperl) is actually quite scary

 

[Wazzz]

:O
I can only imagine... especially seeing as how on plenty of occasions I've encountered Gorebyss on the typical Rain Dance team... those things are nasty

 

[Pyritie]

http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/English_Isshu_starters_to_be_revealed_Monday

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

What, do they expect people to expect it to change or something? I mean really, the game's been out long enough for anyone who really cares that much to have already seen everything in japanese, so really the only thing being revealed is the english names.

 

[Pyritie]

but we get to see delicious nerdrage over hopefully-not-retarded-but-probably-will-be-anyway names :C

 

[En_Fuego]

but we get to see delicious nerdrage over hopefully-not-retarded-but-probably-will-be-anyway names :C

play it in japanese then.

 

[Pyritie]

But I don't know moonrunes

 

[dead-man-walking]

Ooh, I did forget Coil and I hadn't even heard of Gear Change before D:
But the reason Butterfly Dance is so damn op is because Ulgamoth gets it. And Ulgamoth already has pretty insane Special Attack, Special Defense and Speed

There's also one I've seen on Cloyster called Shell Smash, decreases both defenses by two levels, but increases Attack, Special Attack and Speed by two levels each. Combine this with Iron Defense and you'll only need to worry about Special Attacks

@ Coil: Jalorda gets Coil. Decent Attack and Defense combined with awesome Speed. Too bad it suffers from "Good Stats and Abilities but BAD Movepool" syndrome

@ Gear Change: Gigigiaru + Gear Change + Gear Saucer = RAEP
Too bad that Giaru family suffers from similar syndrome with Jalorda. ):

@Shell Smash: If Cloyster tries to set up against a faster Special Sweeper, it goes like this:

1. Shell Smash
2. Thunderbolt/Volt Change
3. ???
4. Dead

But well, successfully get at least one Shell Smash in and having Skill Link combined with Icicle Spear and your foe is toast.

 

[Wazzz]

Why would ANYONE in their right mind try and set up a Cloyster against a Special Sweeper? It'd be more like you use one Shell Smash and the Ice Shard against the more fragile and faster Special Sweepers and using something MUCH better against the bluky, slower special sweepers.

 

[Pyritie]

Yeah, hopefully grey should fix the things with crappy movepools, what with them always having move tutors and all

 

[Skycraft]

My favourite pokemon is Kabutops.

 

[dead-man-walking]

Why would ANYONE in their right mind try and set up a Cloyster against a Special Sweeper?

New players. Also on first match-up.

 

[En_Fuego]

Yeah, hopefully grey should fix the things with crappy movepools, what with them always having move tutors and all

Nothing really has "crappy" movepools*.

In retrospect, the only real thing B/W added to the metagame was all of the new abilities and how imba some Pokemon have become. There is going to be a huge OU -> UU -> NU shake up on Smogon in the upcoming year.

*Movepools don't necessarily make some Pokemon better than others. For example, look at Politoed and Ninetails: Politoed can get the ability Drizzle, which is permanet and instant rain on a switch-in. Ninetails gets Drought, which is permanet and instant sun on a switch-in...these 2 will be so overused now in Rain Dance and Sunny Day teams that it's not even funny. They may even be forced into Ubers because of this and they weren't even in OU in Gen. 4

 

[Wazzz]

New players. Also on first match-up.

New players I understand, but you wouldn't want to lead with a Cloyster Sweep. Too many things counter it prior to it becoming awesome. You'd have to work to take out it's primary counters before even showing him to the opponent, just so he can then sweep and win the match for you

 

[En_Fuego]

in most situations, having your lead be a sweeper is very unsafe...sure, sometimes it will work out to where your opponent puts some cannon fodder out first, but a lot of players like to carry some type of disable-lead.

in short, it can work out some times, but the risk is just a waste, especially when you can always just bring it in later after scouting and set it up.

 

[Skycraft]

If the opponent uses Lead Cloyster Sweep, just use the typical Bronzong.. Stealth Rock and Explosion.

 

[dead-man-walking]

New players I understand, but you wouldn't want to lead with a Cloyster Sweep. Too many things counter it prior to it becoming awesome. You'd have to work to take out it's primary counters before even showing him to the opponent, just so he can then sweep and win the match for you

I've seen one.

But I still get killed due to my Hihidaruma lead.

 

[Wazzz]

The only exception I can think of to that rule is an Infernape Special Sweeper Lead, primarily because a lot of people predict something... well, something smarter
Like, a lot of common leads are Swampert, Azelf and other Infernape. Grass Knot really rapes Swampert, using a Focus Sash on the Infernape allows it to kill Azelf (as the Azelf will most likely hit you with Psychic, leaving you with 1 HP and activating Blaze, allowing the Flamethrower to kill the Azelf. Then if the Azelf had a Focus Sash as well, Vauum Wave will finish it off), and other Infernape leads are more than likely going to go for the SR, allowing you to get a Nasty Plot off and then using Vacuum Wave to kill it.

lol @Hihidaruma lead
Although I reckon it'd be a pretty good sweeper with either Choice Scarf or the Sub Punch. He would really benefit from Brute Force and Life Orb, and using Substitute would be a pretty good option for when you bring him in on something that will surely fall to it. Rock Slide would see a massive benefit, as would Fire Punch (Fire Punch having a base power of 75, increased by 30% and then by a further 30%, leading to a total boost of 63%. Then you boost it another 50% for STAB. That's a totaly increase of roughly 144%. Impressive, amirite?).

 

[Pyritie]

oh god these names are retarded

 

[dead-man-walking]

lol @Hihidaruma lead
Although I reckon it'd be a pretty good sweeper with either Choice Scarf or the Sub Punch. He would really benefit from Brute Force and Life Orb, and using Substitute would be a pretty good option for when you bring him in on something that will surely fall to it. Rock Slide would see a massive benefit, as would Fire Punch (Fire Punch having a base power of 75, increased by 30% and then by a further 30%, leading to a total boost of 63%. Then you boost it another 50% for STAB. That's a totaly increase of roughly 144%. Impressive, amirite?).

I use Flare Blitz. Grosses got raped in the butt.

Also:

Snivy (E), Vipelierre (F), Serpifeu (G)

Oshawott (E), Moustillon (F), Ottaro (G)

Piggy's name is too retarded. And oh shit Moustillon.

 

[Wazzz]

Well there's your problem. Flare Blitz is a recoil move. As such, it is uneffected by Brute Force. In other words, it just acts out normally.

However, let's compare:
50% increase (from STAB) to Flare Blitz --> 180 Power + 33% Recoil (ouch)
With Life Orb, Flare Blitz will have a massive 234 power, but with about 43% recoil (meaning you take a hit from a 100.62 power attack yourself, taking into account that it may be super effective, dealing a massive payload to yourself). Brute Force will prevent the Life Orb's recoil, but what's the point of having Brute Force when you could instead go for the Dramura Mode in the Dreamworld?

155% increase (see above, properly calculated this time) to Fire Punch --> 190 Power with no recoil
Only 44 Power shy of competing with the power of a Life Orbed Flare Blitz, this is a nice transition because you don't take recoil, you don't take recoil from the Life Orb (because of Brute Force) and Brute Force is actually worthwhile now.

So, the question is, would you rather 33-43% recoil for 234 power, or no recoil whatsoever for 190 power? I personally would go with Fire Punch, as you can keep your pokemon in the game for longer. Additionally, you might want to pass a Swords Dance to it, depending on what your party's strat is.

ADDITIONAL: Quick food for though, however, would be that going for Choice Band on him could make Flare Blitz a more viable option. Use him as a revenge killer or something. The base power of the attack would still be 180 Power, but your attack would be doubled, bringing it to... well, I don't quite know how it affects the power of the attack itself, but if it does, it ends up going to 360 Power. Fire Punch (with Brute Force) would be 292.5 Power (with no Recoil). I'd still go for Fire Punch in this case, though.

 

[dead-man-walking]

I use Scarf. Not Orb. Orb is as sucky as it is.

 

[Wazzz]

Orb is very good, but Brute Force makes it even better (as it cancels out the recoil effect).

 

[Pyritie]

I'm pretty sure that's a bug

might be fixed in the english release, who knows

 

[Wazzz]

I don't know whether it's a bug or not, might be a deliberate thing tho

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

About the names....

I've noticed a lot of people going on about how retarded they are - really was their names in the past any more "creative?"

-Snivy = Ivy + Snake
-Tepig = Tepid + Pig

BUT:

Squirt + Turtle = Squirtle
Charcoal + Salamander = Charmander
Bulb + Dinosaur = Bulbasaur
Chikorita = ?
Totadile = Crocodile + Torrent
Cyndaquil = cinder + quill
Torch + Chick = Torchick
Mud + ? = something I herd u liek
Tree + Gecko = Trecko


It's not like they altered the formula at all from what they've done before. My guess is it's simply nostalgia speaking.

 

[Wazzz]

Don't forget:

Dragon + amirite = Dargonite
Mew + two = Mewtwo
Polyester + Whirl = Polywhirl
Rhynocerous + Horn = Rhyhorn
Pidgeon + Wimpy = Pidgey
Rat + ata = Ratata
Celery + Bisexual = Celebi
4 + chan = 4chan

 

[The World Is Flat]

me + u = Us too.

 

[Vosty]

These names sound almost like the grunts from all the fat kids after they ran the mile at school.
Fucktarded if you ask me.

 

[Wazzz]

*huff**puff**huff**puff**SNIKY**SNIIIIKY**huff**fat jiggling*

Nah, can't imagine it, must just be you and you're obscure opinion on the sounds fat kids make.

@TWIF: Not even!
Me + u = Mu

And:
Artery + Canine = Arcanine
Jiggling Titties + Lynx = Jynx
Magmar + Viagra = Magmar
TWIF + Me = TWIFe (+ an impurity of babies as a side reaction)

 

[Skycraft]

Dial + Gay = Dialga

I'm not sure when this turned to naming, so let's talk about the pokemon Cloyster.

 

[En_Fuego]

Dial + Gay = Dialga

I'm not sure when this turned to naming, so let's talk about the pokemon Cloyster.

it sucks; don't use it.

what else do you need to know?

 

[Pyritie]

it has stupidly high defense

 

[Skycraft]

Cloyster is a great pokemon though..
It can beat up a Machamp!

 

[Wazzz]

Okay, talking about Cloyster now

Cliteris + Oyster = Cloyster

And it's not a complete suck ass pokemon, it depends on how you use it.

 

[En_Fuego]

Okay, talking about Cloyster now

Cliteris + Oyster = Cloyster

And it's not a complete suck ass pokemon, it depends on how you use it.

Not really, it more depends on how well-versed your opponent is and what tier you're in.

If you're in UU, it's pretty common, so a decent UU battler will be able to predict it. If you're in OU or Ubers, a decent battler probably won't know what's coming, other than a standard spike-explosion lead.

Also, if you go by that logic, you could use something like Pichu in OU and succeed, where you can't.

In competitive Pokemon battling, for the most part*, you rely on your opponent making mistakes and you not making mistakes when it comes to predicting what they will or will not do.

*some people like to throw random sets that make no sense and somehow manage to work because they're playing against a retard who doesn't realize it.

edit: this is an example of such a retard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK4rIAxte1w

 

[Wazzz]

Also, if you go by that logic, you could use something like Pichu in OU and succeed, where you can't.

WOW, some people fail at understanding logic -.-

Cloyster is a good pokemon, as it now has that Shell Smash ability, allowing it to sweep respectfully. It has insane Defense but horrible Special Defense. So, what does this mean? Surprisingly enough, it means 'don't put it in on a Special Attacker'. Ironically, most pokemon WITH the type advantage ARE Special Attackers. If they decide to then switch in a grass type, you will be quite happy as you would have used Shell Smash and it's worthwhile seeing if Ice Shard does then kill them (keeping in mind you would have maximum Attack stats on the Cloyster, possibly including a nature to enhance it further as well as a Life Orb). It may not work on a bulky Venusaur, but I'd be willing to find out.

Ultimately, though, Cloyster is used to set up Spikes and to Ice Shard weakened pokemon. So you could use the Cloyster to set up Spikes the first time you use him, making it all the more difficult for them to switch in and out. Alternatively, you could have another pokemon in your party that does that for you, allowing you to branch out to Toxic Spikes and Stealth Rock as well. Oh, you didn't consider the other team options to complement it, did you? Pfft.

 

[N1ck0]

*yawn* haven't been here in a looong time, what's happening?

 

[dead-man-walking]

Brute Force is never meant to negate recoil and stat reduction. :/

 

[The World Is Flat]

Humans were never meant for pokemans.

 

[N1ck0]

Cloyster + Shell smash = AWESOME!!!

but Sableye finally is stepping out of Spiritomb's shadow, with Priority on moves that do no damage!