Pokémans thread

[En_Fuego]

Well it isn't uber any more, is it?

If you play Gen. V, nothing is uber. But there's no actual meta-game for Gen. V yet, so....

 

[Pyritie]

The main legendaries (mewtwo, lugia, groudon, etc) are uber, and they've recently made shaymin-s and darkrai uber again too, along with manaphy (either soon or already)

 

[En_Fuego]

The main legendaries (mewtwo, lugia, groudon, etc) are uber, and they've recently made shaymin-s and darkrai uber again too, along with manaphy (either soon or already)

Those don't really bother me, what bothers me is Wobbuffet. Please tell me that piece of shit is still uber.

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

Hahahaha I'd hope so, Wobbefet is such a pain

 

[Skycraft]

When I do play competitive, I always use UU/BL pokemon so I don't really mind. ^_^

 

[Nightblade]

In what tier is Charizard?

 

[Pyritie]

NU..

 

[En_Fuego]

Although Charizard is NU, the fact that Mence has been moved to uber kind of makes it viable in higher tiers.

I remember watching Xenon run a special belly dancer that he pioneered and it ended up dominating people so much that everyone facing him would anticipate it and put in Mence.

I think the moving of Mence to Uber really effects the metagame more than just it moving...everyone used Mence at some point and most players would carry "checks" in their teams just to scout it safely. Without an opposing Mence, I think Charizard can do fairly well now that people aren't worried about keeping certain Pokes to counter Mence.

Also, keep in mind that the tiers are based on 2 factors:

1) Popularity. Whichever is used the most gets put in OU, whichever used middle is UU, whichever is used least is NU. Ubers are decided by how they compete in OU, not by popularity.

2) Shoddy battle. The entire system is based on Shoddy battle which is a very small server compared to the actual number of people who battle using wi-fi. So the fact that you see some Pokemon being OU can be attributed to the fact that people using Shoddy battle only use 1 stock team and hardly ever change it up. If they hardly ever change it up, of course it'll stay OU. It's not recorded by user, but by how many times it appears in battles.

Also, keep in mind, Charizard is a strong poke, it was just easily countered for a long time and not a good choice against Mence. So sneaking one in has always been effective as long as it was a good surprise and sneaking one in regularly may be just as effective now.

 

[Pyritie]

Hasn't smogon moved to PO now anyway?

 

[En_Fuego]

Hasn't smogon moved to PO now anyway?

Idk actually. I don't really look at Smogon much anymore. I try to be more original now xD

What is PO anyway?

edit:

if you mean Pokemon Online; the answer is NO.

 

[Pyritie]

if you mean Pokemon Online; the answer is NO.

Then why do they have a PO forum and not a shoddy forum?

They moved to PO for gen 5 because PO finished implementing everything before shoddy did. Plus shoddy's pretty crap anyway (magnet rise healing jolteon every turn, anyone?)

 

[En_Fuego]

Then why do they have a PO forum and not a shoddy forum?

They moved to PO for gen 5 because PO finished implementing everything before shoddy did. Plus shoddy's pretty crap anyway (magnet rise healing jolteon every turn, anyone?)

oh, how very interesting.

then the tier system is completely based off of PO now, and not shoddy. it's still the same process. more battlers battle on wifi than on practice serers.

 

[Duruka]

Some neat Legendaries at Gamespot/EB Games if you live in Canada or the US.
Shiny Raikou ends on the 9th.
Shiny Entei from the 17th to the 23rd
Shiny Suicune from the 31st to Feb. 6th
Celebi from Feb. 27th to Mar. 7th (one day after Black and White release in North America!)

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

Behold, the original Team Rocket headquarters theme redid in psuedo 8-bit (actually the midi is part of a collaboration thing, but I figured I'd run it through the midi to 8-bit/retro player to see how it sounded).

http://www.box.net/shared/o45q6b5j4b

 

[Skycraft]

Has anyone taken up the Nuzlocke challenge? ;o

 

[Pyritie]

I'll be doing it when grey comes out

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

Grey? Is that like the proposed crossover third version of Black and White?

I have to say, Gamefreaks been pretty smart in doing business as they only really need to make 1 game, and then they can resell that same exact game 4+ more times and people still will buy every version of it:

-Made Red/Blue - just switched the pokemon around and BAM you have a second game people will buy to own both
-Made Yellow - OH SHI-, PIKACHU FULOWS U ARUND N GAEM? MUST HAVE - another game sold
-Made FireRed/LeafGreen - You liked playing it the first time around? Here play the same exact game again! BAM more copies sold, at least this one sorta makes sense as you need it to get old pokemon into new games.

With the 3DS you're now going to need 3 games to even get any old pokemon into the newer games (when 3ds pkm games come out) - FR/LG + Pt/HG/SS + New Games. On top of that, you'll need an old DS and a 3DS.

And of course with the advent of 3d handheld gaming, your going to play through those original games yet again no? They'll remake ever single old game again to work with the 3DS (as with rules they'll have to add one more word to the names again - Pure Heart Gold, Blazing Fire Red, etc. etc.) and people will buy those games, again.

So if you look at it, they only have make a genuinely new game ever 4 years and can last on recycling old content yet again for a while because basically anything with the pokemon name on it sells fast, regardless of the content.

 

[En_Fuego]

The post above mine is rediculously ignorant and doesn't even touch on the differences between games like Red/Green/Blue/Yellow, let alone Generation overhauls like FR/LG. Everything he posted should be disregarded as false, seeing as how the Pokemon company has already denied re-remakes. And the current remakes are completely different from their original. For the record, yellow was a patched version of red and green and also contained an anime-based storyline.

As for Pyritie, grey seems like a long shot tbh. The thing that made most other games have a third was that there was a trio of legendaries and the third game would feature the third. However, in the first two games you could catch the third (a lot of people don't realize this, but you can catch a legit giratina in d/p after the elite four, same with rayquaza in ruby/sapphire).

So far, I haven't seen a counterpart to reshirom or zekram. I'll tell you if I see one though.

However, I will say that Gen. V is probably the best post-Elite Four game so far, and if they do make a "grey" then the storyline will be a lot different from Black and White because the gameplay is centered around the legendary for each respective game.

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

I simply find it a bit lazy creatively to constantly be revisiting the older games, I never said the games were exactly the same - it's quite obvious that HG/SS will be much better then the original G/S

 

[En_Fuego]

I simply find it a bit lazy creatively to constantly be revisiting the older games, I never said the games were exactly the same - it's quite obvious that HG/SS will be much better then the original G/S

They revamp the stories to fit the canon of the manga... for example, before HG/SS you couldn't even catch Ruby's Celebi legitimately.

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

You can this time around?
Hmmm I should probably finish HG some time soon, haven't played it in a while except just to battle some friends on wi-fi.

 

[Pyritie]

As for Pyritie, grey seems like a long shot tbh. The thing that made most other games have a third was that there was a trio of legendaries and the third game would feature the third. However, in the first two games you could catch the third

Palkia and dialga were involved with plat's storyline. Groudon and kyogre were involved with emerald's storyline. In both DP, RS, and BW, the third legendary is just off to the side somewhere, acting as something to do after the E4.

(a lot of people don't realize this, but you can catch a legit giratina in d/p after the elite four, same with rayquaza in ruby/sapphire).

AHAHAHAHA

So far, I haven't seen a counterpart to reshirom or zekram. I'll tell you if I see one though.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Kyurem_(Pokémon)
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Tao_trio

hurr

However, I will say that Gen. V is probably the best post-Elite Four game so far, and if they do make a "grey" then the storyline will be a lot different from Black and White because the gameplay is centered around the legendary for each respective game.

Bullshit, there's hardly anything post-E4 in BW except battle subway,

Spoiler

finding the sages, battling cynthia, and that underwater ruins place that seems like it was added in at the last minute

. HGSS had a buttload more post-E4 stuff - not only were there 8 more gym leaders, but there was a battle frontier, red, mt silver, all of kanto's legendaries, catching the other version mascot (such as lugia in HG), safari zone, pokeathlon...

They revamp the stories entirely to fit the canon of the manga... for example, before HG/SS you couldn't even catch Ruby's Celebi legitimately.

Yes, because Yellow was an ingame character in FRLG and the RSE remakes will totally have May wearing a bikini made out of leaves. Where was the mask of ice in HGSS? Why aren't most of kanto's gym leaders secretly part of team rocket?

 

[En_Fuego]

Palkia and dialga were involved with plat's storyline. Groudon and kyogre were involved with emerald's storyline. In both DP, RS, and BW, the third legendary is just off to the side somewhere, acting as something to do after the E4.

I never said they weren't. I just said that the 3rd one exists in the first 2.

AHAHAHAHA



http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Kyurem_(Pokémon)
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Tao_trio

hurr

I'm sorry I didn't actually see that. I don't rely on the internet for all of my information, I play the games.

Bullshit, there's hardly anything post-E4 in BW except battle subway,

Spoiler

finding the sages, battling cynthia, and that underwater ruins place that seems like it was added in at the last minute

.

Have you played black or white? It's a LOT of stuff to do. Nevermind, you probably just gamefaq'd where to find everything so it took you about an hour.

HGSS had a buttload more post-E4 stuff - not only were there 8 more gym leaders, but there was a battle frontier, red, mt silver, all of kanto's legendaries, catching the other version mascot (such as lugia in HG), safari zone, pokeathlon...

Battle Frontier wasn't anything special (worse than Pt, frankly). Red was a decent battle, except by that time in the game he should be incredibly easy. 8 more gym leaders though? those were more included for a form of nostalgia than anything else. It's not like they actually play a role in the storyline, it's just a quick thing to do (unless you don't know anything about Gen. 1) before you face Red. The safari zone was good, yes. Pokeathlon was way worse than "Super Contests"

Yes, because Yellow was an ingame character in FRLG

I did not say they include everything. Most of the canon included are easters eggs or DLC. Also, the yellow arc wasn't included in the R/G arc, so why would they include it in the games? The yellow arc took place a year or too after Gen. 1 according to Pokemon Adventures.

and the RSE remakes will totally have May wearing a bikini made out of leaves.

she wore it for about 8 panels. why not? it was just a costume change afterall.

Where was the mask of ice in HGSS?

This was too drastic of a change for a remake. However, if you played the game, you would've seen how Ruby's celebi takes you back in time to fight Giovanni who mentions that his son [Silver] had been kidnapped from him before he went to Kanto.

Why aren't most of kanto's gym leaders secretly part of team rocket?

The games came before Pokemon Adventures...

Keep in mind, Pokemon Adventures isn't the only manga out there and doesn't set the canon for the video games. I mentioned in my post that the video games include ALL canon from the manga. It was a typo, don't act like you never type the wrong thing on accident. The video games include SOME canon from the manga.

 

[Pyritie]

II'm sorry I didn't actually see that. I don't rely on the internet for all of my information, I play the games.

learn2pokemonfandom

Have you played black or white? It's a LOT of stuff to do. Nevermind, you probably just gamefaq'd where to find everything so it took you about an hour.

actually I only got up to the 6th gym leader, lost my save file, then said fuck it I'm waiting for grey

I don't know exactly /where/ they are. I just know that

Spoiler

"here go find 7 guys dotted around the whole map"

is not a very good way of extending gameplay time.

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

learn2pokemonfandom

You don't have to salivate over the thought of leaked sprites/spoil the entire story for yourself before the games even out in your country to like the games

 

[Skycraft]

Nononono guys your doing it wrong.
The trio of legendaries is always branched off from the main legendaries otherwise they would have had Mew, Mewtwo and some other weird thing.
You know what I'm talking about already (3 Birds, 3 Dogs, 3 Regi's.. etc.)

 

[Pyritie]

You don't have to salivate over the thought of leaked sprites/spoil the entire story for yourself before the games even out in your country to like the games

Well I haven't spoiled all of it...

 

[En_Fuego]

learn2pokemonfandom

I am apart of the fandom. I contribute when I can to sites like Bulbapedia. I just focus on discovering most things for myself, rather than getting help.

actually I only got up to the 6th gym leader, lost my save file, then said fuck it I'm waiting for grey

you're not going to buy it anyway, right?

I don't know exactly /where/ they are. I just know that

Spoiler

"here go find 7 guys dotted around the whole map"

is not a very good way of extending gameplay time.

It's not that simple. you have to actually deduce where they are (it's basically like the kanto gym leaders in g/s/c but you don't know where they're hidden)

 

[Pyritie]

you're not going to buy it anyway, right?

I will actually.

 

[RedClaw]

i love the most popular pokemon from pokemon gold...If you know what pokemon is that post it here

 

[Skycraft]

Steelix!

 

[Nightblade]

Starting Black with Oshawott now..I dont like Tepig that much.

 

[En_Fuego]

Starting Black with Oshawott now..I dont like Tepig that much.

starters aren't really all that special.

 

[dead-man-walking]

starters aren't really all that special.

Except for the sake of novelty. Then again, PKMN IZ SRS BSNS.

 

[Skycraft]

I love Venasaur. FAV POKE!

POKEMON STRATEGIES

 

[Glycine]

Well, hrm. I used to roleplay in a Pokemon RPG, so it's like second nature to me (except for all the new stuff). I always favored the UU's, like Slowking or Kangaskhan, but those days have long past.

I always thought Crystal was the best version, though, because it polished everything up to that point and expanded even more. That, and I acquired an Meganium who knew Surf and Ice Beam out of a freak glitch. xD

 

[The World Is Flat]

Look.

Pokemon died when the internet came out. its a fact people.

 

[Sorceress]

lol tell my little brother & his friends that..

 

[Zombie]

Look.

Pokemon died when the internet came out. its a fact people.

I actually disagree. The internet made it available for grown up people to pursue their pokémon fandom.

 

[fladdermasken]

Mom, I wanna be just like Squirtle when I grow up!

 

[Glycine]

Heh, the old episodes were the best ones. I too would disagree about the assertion that the internet killed pokemon. If anything, it made it easy for groups and people (Not just grown-ups, though) to meet and pursue their fandom, as Zombie puts it.

I do wonder what could have happened if they made a polished MMO for pokemon. I wonder what were the limiting factors, though.

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

I'd say that a large majority of people playing the game now stopped caring about the TV show a while ago.

(Not just grown-ups, though)

I'm thinking he was trying to equivocate a little something there with that statement that's better left unsaid.

 

[The World Is Flat]

I actually disagree. The internet made it available for grown up people to pursue their pokémon fandom.

My point exactly.

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

You know, is it too much to ask for a "rival" who's actually a rival, and not someone happy go lucky, I don't care if I win or lose, I just want to have fun, douche bag like they've been spitting out since ruby/saphire?

 

[Skycraft]

I prefer it when my rival is a complete jerk - no nostalgia intended. It just doesn't feel right to have a rival that's positive.

 

[The World Is Flat]

Dewd. gold versions guywas so funny

its hilarious naming him shit names.

 

[fladdermasken]

Dewd. gold versions guywas so funny

its hilarious naming him shit names.

Wasn't he a she?

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

Naw, it was actually a guy - though he looked pretty girlish

 

[Skycraft]

Needs more rivals like Gary Motherfuckin' Oak.

 

[Zombie]

Needs more rivals like Gary Motherfuckin' Oak.