Permanent Invisibility Research

[myronbeg]

Hi there, guys. I have another problem again, but this time it's all about the research to get the ability.

I have noticed that when I add the Techtree - Requirements with at least a research so that you can unlock the Permanent Invisibility. However, when added, the ability appears to allow to use although a research is still needed to be conducted. So how would I make this ability to get the research before using it? I mean the Permanent Invisbility

 

[Adiktuz]

so the ability looks disabled but the unit still gets invisible?

 

[SA Dashie]

so you want the ability disabled until researched?
Add the research to the fealed on the ability
Techtree - Requirements "Research"
The ability will not be able to be usable untill that research has been done.
(simple stuff)

 

[Renschi]

Have you enabled "Techtree - Check Dependencies" ?

 

[Adiktuz]

@DC: if you read, he said he did it that way, but the ability is still usable...

did you add it via triggers?

 

[SA Dashie]

Did he research the the research in game like actually research it?

 

[Adiktuz]

his problem is that, even if he doesn't research it, the spell was still usable...

 

[Renschi]

Did he research the the research in game like actually research it?

lol? DC, why don't you open another thread so we can help you to understand this thread?

 

[mckill2009]

why dont you do it via triggers?...

1. Research, then pick every unit that will use the ability in the map and add the ability...

2. When unit is finished being trained (the unit that will use the ability), add the ability...

 

[Renschi]

Why so complictated? Not everything has to be done via triggers

 

[mckill2009]

If it cannot be done in object editor, then triggers will do, besides its not that complicated...

 

[SA Dashie]

umm.... well I done a test map and it does not like permanent invisibility.
It seems to do the opposite of what its deposed to do like if you give it a dependency with an upgrade it goes invisible without even needing the upgrade and if no requirement it just doesn't work? looks like it will have to be done with triggers(as said).

 

[Adiktuz]

Check dependencies does weird things...

 

[defskull]

Check dependencies does weird things...

Agreed to the max.
Some of my spell is disabled (can't be use, doesn't appear in UI, bla bla bla) because of the dependency thingy, damn -.-''

 

[Renschi]

Something like that never happened to me...

 

[Adiktuz]

if you read some threads, you'll see that it really does do weird things...

 

[Renschi]

Here you go

 

[Adiktuz]

we know that part, what we say is that the effect of that part is actually weird when active...

 

[Renschi]

It is actually ironic because I know that you know that part

 

[myronbeg]

Ah, yes everyone. If I don't conduct any research according to the requirements to unlock that ability mentioned, the spell still works. I must make it disabled only until through a research first. A burden yet to carried out, if you would say.


As I said before, I have already use the Techtree - Requirements. It won't work any shit.

@Renschi
That Techtree - Check Dependecies is always enabled, yet it never work. And yet, when I switched to another requirement, it still stubborn like shit. Damn World Editor is like a Freak World Editor full of bugs.

I think Object Editor won't work if continue like this. I'm going to Trigger Editor. Anyone has suggestion?

 

[Falzelo]

if your skill is based on Permanent Invisibility, an icon-less skill, then i have a suggestion (because i tried and it does not work as well)
First, make a "fake" Perma Invis based on Evasion. I tried and it does require upgrades
Try using triggers:
Trigger 1:

• Events
  • An unit finishes research
• Conditions
  • (Researched tech-type) Equal to <your tech-type>
• Actions
  • Trigger - Turn on Trigger 2

Trigger 2

• Events
  • A unit Finishes training a unit
• Conditions
  • (Unit type of (Trained unit)) Equal to <your unit type>
• Actions
  • Unit - Add <Permanent Invisibility> to (Trained unit)

I do not 100% guarantee that this will work, but... well, you should try it out =p

 

[Adiktuz]

you forgot to add Perm invi to the units that need it...

an easier way is to just add them to the unit on the OE, disable that ability for all players on map init, then once a player researches it, enable it for him...

 

[Falzelo]

Yeah so after all the prob can be solved with some simple trigger...

 

[Renschi]

I just tried the Techtree thing and it works properly. Firstly I added a Canon Tower to the requirements, then an upgrade (Black Gunpowder). The ability cannot be casted, however you can still learn it.

 

[Adiktuz]

of course... but the ability in question is Perm Invi, and somehow based on the OPs post, it works even without researching the upgrade...

 

[myronbeg]

@Falzelo

Suprisingly, your both triggers don't work to me. This is getting tough. Solutions?

 

[Adiktuz]

have you tried my solution?

also, his triggers will only affect those created after the research...

 

[Falzelo]

explain clearly please... which part doesn't work? Adding ability, or anything? ... oh right... In addition, you'll need another trigger that is activated in trigger 1, that gives the <permanent invisibility> to current units under your control of <your unit type>...
i'm not sure about disabling-enabling this ability to players, because this one works weirdly... well anyway you should check out Adiktuz's solution too

 

[Renschi]

of course... but the ability in question is Perm Invi, and somehow based on the OPs post, it works even without researching the upgrade...

I just wanted to prove that Techtree - Check Dependencies works. At least for me. I just tried with Permanent Invisibility and now agree with you, do it via triggers ^_^

 

[Adiktuz]

at least on some abilities... haha... but that field is better left alone...

 

[myronbeg]

@Falzelo
I tried your both trigger 1 and trigger 2. And despite I didn't even research the techtree required, the spell is still usable. Also, even if I placed the Requirement Techtree for the Permanent Invisibility ability, yet same thing happens again. I believe I have made this clear for you.

@Adiktuz
What solution? Do you mean:

an easier way is to just add them to the unit on the OE, disable that ability for all players on map init, then once a player researches it, enable it for him...

@Renschi
You say yours works. How did you manage it? Just being curious

 

[Falzelo]

I tested and it worked perfectly...
try this test map out
[Edit 1]oops i forgot to change skills' name. You should open the map