Northrend Bound v1.85

[cleavinghammer]

About the AI: I've never seen any AI attacks whenever I set up base near the bandit starting position. Dunno if that's because they don't know I'm there or they keep running into guards though.

Town towers don't attack zombies.

 

[Wark]

How is the AI becomes difficult?

I changed some of their settings to "have no mercy," meaning they will tend to focus players when they are most vulnerable or outnumbered.
I've also increased the spawn size of "shambling pirates."
They will now also cluster their bases tighter, build more towers, and have a larger maximum army.
On top of that, they now no longer cause random crashes.

Town towers don't attack zombies.

That is intentional during blood moons. They go back to normal after.
Also during the blood moon, murdering villagers that get in your way now does not make you lose reputation.

 

[Nyantothep]

Hello there
despite that i am new here but i have played Founder of the North before and i love your map, hehe
but i found some bug i think(?) :
- whenever i cast shield bash and last skill in Orb of thunder (i forgot the name, sorry , but not the tornado), if i got too close, the hero/leader also follow the target while get bashed by its own skill
- flintlock also give 1 INT and
- undead Haunted Goldmine and Gate have same hotkey
- is it intentional that achievement for cooking is in indonesia/malay? its funny tough, baker and bakar. hehe
- and is it also intentional that all bow based weapon (longbow, crossbow and weapon drop from leviathan (i forgot again the name, sorry)) have same ability?

And also, i have suggestion, can you make that there is no attack bonus on attribute? it make STR based stat damage sooooo hurt (it not fair to AGI and INT hero/leader have low ATK i think) instead giving attack bonus, how about damage reduction? or make STR attribute is for secondary attribute requirement for every weapon, offhand and armor (for example crossbow need 10 STR and 10 AGI . Of course wand and robe type no need for STR) So the only damage source from attack command is from weapon only. But after all its up to you tough. hehe
Sorry for bad English, not my native.
also, good job with your work!

 

[Wark]

Tidak masalah, @Nyantothep . Dan ya, nama prestasi itu disengaja.

All the bow weapons are meant to have the same abilities, yes. I am thinking about adding different abilities later for bows.
I have had a number of ideas to balance out the damage of agility and strength weapons. Right now, agility-based spells are much stronger than strength-based spells. I may increase the damage of agility weapons (like what you see with the dagger), or make offhand agility and intel weapons have more damage.
I have heard about the "shield bash" skill affecting the caster, but I have never seen it when testing it.
You said an orb of lightning, too? Is that air magic's lightning bolt?

The whole idea is to not just spec into 1 attribute. A mix is usually better.
Thank you for the bug report. I'll check out the Flintlock and change the hotkeys for the Haunted Goldmine.
I'll have another update out shortly for AI (again) and another possible dungeon.

 

[Nyantothep]

Tidak masalah, @Nyantothep . Dan ya, nama prestasi itu disengaja.

All the bow weapons are meant to have the same abilities, yes. I am thinking about adding different abilities later for bows.
I have had a number of ideas to balance out the damage of agility and strength weapons. Right now, agility-based spells are much stronger than strength-based spells. I may increase the damage of agility weapons (like what you see with the dagger), or make offhand agility and intel weapons have more damage.
I have heard about the "shield bash" skill affecting the caster, but I have never seen it when testing it.
You said an orb of lightning, too? Is that air magic's lightning bolt?

The whole idea is to not just spec into 1 attribute. A mix is usually better.
Thank you for the bug report. I'll check out the Flintlock and change the hotkeys for the Haunted Goldmine.
I'll have another update out shortly for AI (again) and another possible dungeon.

hello @Wark, terima kasih, itu sangat lucu dan membuat saya kaget, you know, like, WOAAAH my native language used in game!!! hahaha

yup, i think agility spell damage is hurt, and also yes, its air magic 's lightning bolt if you cast it too close.

yes, that what i want to say, hahaha
its hard to speak out your idea from your mind in different language

also, good luck from your job wark!!

 

[cleavinghammer]

Maybe have all stats increase by 1 per level, keeping the point for whatever stat you want to increase? I think that would be a great boost in survivability, especially for second heroes. I know putting everything in strength yields disproportionately good results.

 

[Lil Emo Prince]

Sounds good, doesn’t work. Btw to max out a skill’s potential you need 40 pts spent on one attribute. E.g. it take 40 int for a max tier spell.

Giving stat gain to heroes make them way too OP they are already hard to kill especially if you are playing against another player! Now imagine at level 50 with 58 all base attributes, assuming that your race is human, and a maxed out int type. EXTRA THICC MANA SHIELD, 58% EVASION, AND 580+Base hitpoints. Now imagine that you are a unit probably a footman or something. Insta killed by whatever skill the hero throws. It just beats the purpose of city leading and makes the game mechanic lean more to its RPG aspect where you just grind your hero to full level.

If anything I think the stat system is fair enough, but the skill scaling system should have some tweaking. Perhaps make magic spells have casting time (like Gaias Retalliation?) which scale with agility (yup I play mage a lot and with enough experience you become invoker with 6 types of magic in the backpack), having str spell damage nerfed (since agi and int defensive capabilities are already buffed and players still agree that STR is still OP), and the much awaited (and hopefully balanced) skill set from the incoming agi offhand items.

 

[Lil Emo Prince]

Or and make STR weapons’ atack speed slower, or make weapons and equipment have weight, thereby slowing the movement speed of STR items to force them to get agility stat.

 

[Lil Emo Prince]

Along with equipment weight comes a proper str requirement, thereby forcing Int and agi types spend points in str. And probably make scaled abilities like maximum tier spell immunity from club or that silence cloud that grants invi (I forgot the skill sorry I haven’t played agi in a while lol) cost more mana to force str and agi types invest in int.

 

[cleavinghammer]

^^^ Given that the game allows for large armies, that's not exactly an overly worrying issue.

Then maybe a way to have the stat boosts per level in singleplayer only, or have slower boosts (increasing all stats by one every X levels or something).

 

[cleavinghammer]

Elusive Stag spawns within sight of patrolling guards, so it's kind of easy to spot.
Do the new critters respawn? I accidentally got the bunny killed by town towers.

Hammer has the same description as the club. Also, how exactly can wool be used to make a hammer?

Leaderboard bug: Going into negative rep causes "Reputation" to change to the amount.

 

[Ardenaso]

How is the AI becomes difficult? what are its specific changes?

The AI now hunts your base down after around an hour me thinks

 

[Insanity_AI]

New items? Oh boy, gotta update that spreadsheet!

 

[cleavinghammer]

When units combine, they keep their combat experience the first few times they mount/dismount (and it gives both units the same level of experience as the mounted unit on dismounting), but with further mounts/dismounts they all go back to Recruit level.

 

[Graflar]

Tier 2 Leather armor (reinforced jerkin) doesn't provide the armor bonus displayed on the tooltip. It provides 1 armor.

I'm not sure about anyone else but I'm still having AI crashes when I attack into a bandit base. I don't know if the color of the bandit matters but I was playing with red, teal and grey bandits. Attacking into teal and red bases caused crashes for me. I haven't tested grey's base yet.

 

[Wark]

but with further mounts/dismounts they all go back to Recruit level.

I know about this and did as best as I cant prevent it. Unfortunately, rapid dismounts without combat does reset veteran levels.

@Graflar So, the conditions didn't work. Thank you for the testing, and feedback on the armor bug.

EDIT:
Just did a test, and I didn't get any crashes with a full map of AI. This bug is either very weird, or the next version has no crashes? I let them build up for an hour before killing them. Again: if anyone is good with AI script, let me know! I don't like crashes.

 

[Graflar]

I turned on all AI players and did a bit of playing around. I destroyed yellow base with no issues. I tried attacking teal again and ran into a crash once again.

I was about 90 minutes into the game.

@Wark Does the teal AI bandit give you any problems when you attack his base?

I'll do a bit more testing on the other AI players later on when I have some more time.

 

[Wark]

I think it might just be available building space for the AI.
I am going to play around with Teal and Red and increase their base size.
If I get no problems, I'll put that in the next update with the Troll arena.

EDIT:
Expanded those specific base locations, tested it twice, no crashes *knocks on wood*
Also finished the troll arena, and made the killer bunny not spawn in the ocean. Look out for Ol' Molly!

 

[cleavinghammer]

Arena units don't reset if you die or leave, is that supposed to be the case?

 

[Wark]

They are supposed to reset when you leave, but I haven't set anything for when you die.

 

[joss2704]

They are supposed to reset when you leave, but I haven't set anything for when you die.

It doesnt reset anyways

 

[cleavinghammer]

Yep. Kill one troll, leave, build a well, go back in, repeat.

 

[joss2704]

I placed archers outside the arena and killed everything from outside

 

[Wark]

Man, you guys are real - trolls - with that arena. Alright, I'll make and test a reset function:
next update, the trolls will reset to round 1 when all heroes inside die or leave the arena.
I think I'll also move that arena exit slightly.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Have a torch spawn inside though, I kept wondering why the next wave wasn't showing up before the spy mana burned me.

 

[Wark]

Da troll assassin be like:

Yea, makes sense. Not everyone carries around a torch. I'll make one drop off those waves.

 

[Nyantothep]

haloo...
is it only me that when migrating bear event happen the elusive deer become 2 bear? T^T

 

[Wark]

From looking at the triggers, the Elusive Stag should be excluded from the bear event.
I'll play the game and monitor that in case something else is changing it.

 

[Nyantothep]

hmm...
i don't know what happen but i still get the item though, i am not sure about EXP
or maybe it is because there is nearby deer or wolf?

 

[joss2704]

Da troll assassin be like:

Yea, makes sense. Not everyone carries around a torch. I'll make one drop off those waves.

I farm bandits so i usually carry torches with me

 

[Nyantothep]

halooo again
sorrrry, i want to inform you again about some bug i found.
if you craft bone fetish it become ammo pouch xD

 

[cleavinghammer]

Hey, if you can beat a zombie to death with another zombie's severed arm, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to shoot bullets made of skeletons.

 

[Count Razladov]

Hello there. So, we've been enjoying this map quite a bit with a couple of my friends, and a problem occurred: whenever we gather our forces and launch an assault on one of the bots, as soon as we enter the bot's field of view, the game crashes. It's a recurring problem, we've tried three times and the game just won't let us stomp them bandits into the ground where they belong.

 

[Wark]

@Nyantothep Thank you for that, I'll fix it right up for the next update.

@Count Razladov I know about this problem. Each time I think I nick it, it keeps coming back to bite me. I know it is the AI script itself. Can you tell me if it's the same bandit color (red, blue, teal), or if it's any bandit AI in general?

I am very sorry about that crash problem. It usually happens late game when the AI is fully built.
And again, if anyone has had a similar problem with it, or knows how to fix the script, please let me know. I might have to ask Unregret for help.

 

[Nyantothep]

@cleavinghammer hahaha, the one of the ability should change to Bone Arrow Rain!! xD

@Wark Thank youu xD

 

[Count Razladov]

It happens with any bandit AI, we've specifically tried attacking different bases. Thanks for working on this, btw, the map is great overall

 

[cleavinghammer]

^^ Isn't there a forum on the site for developing AI scripts?

 

[Wark]

Yes, but I didn't get anywhere with it.
One guy suspected it was the triggers causing problems, but after he looked over everything he said he saw no leaks.
That's why I am certain it's the AI script.

 

[Insanity_AI]

I've updated the spreadsheets, let me know if I missed anything.
Also @Wark, the Bone Fetish, Ammo Pouch crafting issue is still present.

 

[Count Razladov]

Update on the AI crash situation, the crash can be avoided by spawning only one AI. The problem, it seems, is in the scripts making the bandits defend each other (it's only an assumption, I dunno if such a script even exists).
Also, found out a minor bug: if you upgrade steel chestplate into mythril one, the steel plate remains in the forge, creating two versions of the item: an upgraded and unupgraded one.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Problem with the Arcane Missiles from the quarterstaff: it creates an energy ball at the caster's location (there's an umbrella effect at the targeted location) that just stays there until it explodes without doing damage.

 

[Wark]

Oddly enough, that has something to do with the Blacksmith. When one is made, they are somehow connected. I have no idea why.

EDIT
I think I figured it out. I was using a cluster rockets order string for one of the craft abilities. For some reason, that conflicts with your hero. I'll make that a hotfix with the other problem, and the AI not using heroes because of the AI script changes.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Clearly Science is fighting Magic anyway it can.

 

[Nyantothep]

Hallooo...
another bug report again, sorry
-first, i found that settlement and blacksmith have same hotkey
-after 2 hours playing, the game become laggy, i tough it was because a lot of unit so i reveal all the map to see what unit it was and what i found was a lot of regular zombie that spawn at night get stuck in the cliff near graveyard
-quarter staff and another tier of it include the boss drop, not only cannot perform arcane missile like @cleavinghammer says, it also lost that skill if you equip arcane magic
thank you @Wark for your hard work, good luck

Oh yeah i forgot, it happen once tough, when you choose undead as race, after build necropolis the table that inform reputation and status become -50 Shady to all player include the header/title and when you upgrade it to black citadel it become -100 no mater what and how much reputation you get, but after use "talk" the player who use "talk" come back to what it used to be +5, but the bandit and header/title still -50 tough and guard and tower still attack the bandit even they become shady

 

[Wark]

Damn zombies...
*grabs a shovel and mutters curse words while walking towards the necropolis*

EDIT:
Actually, what version is that? I did upload versions 1.43 and 1.44 while I was in an airport.
I hope it's not corrupted. I have not been able to repeat the problem with the reputation or arcane missiles on my backup version.

 

[Insanity_AI]

Well, I happily announce that spreadsheets have been updated!
Northrend Bound Spreadsheet

Now the Stats sheet actually has a function. In there, you can add your own level, strength, agility and intelligence. And the sheet will automatically calculate the mana cost, damage, healing, whatever you need for a certain spell!

 

[Graflar]

Just a few bugs to report.

Fishing rod is difficult to pickup after it's dropped. You need to click a very specific spot.

Digging in a graveyard with a shovel causes your reputation to decrease past maximum negative reputation cap (-1000).

Using the spy "shadowsight" ability does not cause you to lose reputation contrary to what the tooltip displays.

The thorns aura from the treant boss "Hollow wood"? reflects melee physical abilities such as the backstab ability causing you to take huge chunks of damage when using abilities.

 

[Nyantothep]

Actually, what version is that? I did upload versions 1.43 and 1.44 while I was in an airport.
I hope it's not corrupted. I have not been able to repeat the problem with the reputation or arcane missiles on my backup version.

sorry, yesterday is verrry busy day
i am playing 1.44, also the reputation problem only happen once, after i playing 3 time with undead in all of that game the bug not happen again, also, about the the quarter staff bug i am not using quarter staff again after that bug happen, i will try it again now, it seem to be 1.43, i am playing a lot of this game that time, sorry

EDIT
the quarter staff is ok, the bug is not happen, sorry it seem like the one that i play is 1.43 that time, but i am sure that the reputation bug is 1.44, i am using undead this time and not happen again, soooo i am currently wandering what happen that time

 

[cleavinghammer]

"That man is desecrating the resting places of the dead! Stop hi- oh wait, no, it's just the Magistrate. Probably visiting a friend or feeling hungry."

 

[Wark]

Just a few bugs to report.

OK, yes. I forgot an integer check for grave robbing. People have mentioned the fishing rod problem before, so I'll just change its item model to the standard chest.

Killing yourself on Hollow Wood is an intentional mechanic. That fight is supposed to be harsh for melee heroes, especially when using big hits. I've even thought about increasing the Thorns damage return.

As for that reputation bug that sometimes happens, I think it has something to do with the townsfolk killing themselves somehow. I put in another player check for the murder trigger. I'll move the spawn location of those night time zombies, too.


Next update, I am going to try out different game modes. Players will be able to vote between three different game modes:
Normal Mode - What we have right now!
Quickstart Mode - You start with +2000 gold and a land deed. Will you build a town instantly, or gear up your hero and do some quests and stuff?
Hard Mode - All monsters and bandits have +50% health, upgraded defense, and upgraded attack damage. Bounty for kills will be doubled.
Players can vote on which game mode they want. The choson mode is based on a majority vote. If there is no majority for one mode, by default Normal Mode will be choson.

I will also be introducing an experimental unique weapon: boxing gloves. These will be the first weapons (weapon and offhand) to have a set bonus.