Need help making sky city

[dust77]

is there a way to make this look like in the sky??

 

[Nbah]

Maybe if you add Fog doodad's from UTM it may work, if implemented well enough. Though it will be pretty hard, since your using blizzard cliffs.

 

[dust77]

utm can use alredy make map or i need to start all over again??

 

[ArcticInferno]

start all over, or import the models you want.

I recommend not to use the UTM if you are making an ORPG of some sort(as I guess from the minimap preview), because it will hit 4mb easily.

 

[dust77]

then use wat better??
sry i new in map making

 

[ike_ike]

I recommend you spam lots of white foggy doodads with a little height all over the water sections, with only a few patches of blue showing through. Try and get that whole cloud feeling. A white fog might work on top of that too.

 

[dust77]

it kinda not working

zzz

one more question wat more i need add in this

Cave

Ice Cave (boss Entrance)

Water way city

 

[Nbah]

Spam a little more and then select all of them and hold CTRL + PAGE DOWN to lower them close to the water's height, that will make a more promising effect.

 

[dust77]

err like this?

 

[Nbah]

Yes, that's what I pretty much had in mind. It might cause a lot of lag though.

 

[dust77]

Thanks
Orpg always lag so i abit dont mind that thing

 

[Acvong]

The first cave : needs more doodads
Ice cave : doesnt look too icy because of those dirt cliffs.
Water city : looks ok

 

[Wolfhelm]

The fog looks like its on top of the city cliffs, delet any excess fog that isnt in the water add a lil more to water so its evenly spread out and select all Ctrl + Page down. Then add earie fog all over water. That would probably look much better.

 

[Nbah]

No, actually keep excess fog for realism as cloud's don't usually cut off like that and it will probably look better anyway. Add earie fog as Wolfhelm said and maybe experement with other glow/light/fog doodad's.

 

[~Void~]

Here's an idea. Download an Alpha Tile (invisible terrain), and put it all around the city, then cover up the edges below the cliffs with either rocks lowered into the ground a bit or some kind of wall.

 

[dust77]

i edit the ice cave
how bout this

 

[ArcticInferno]

The crystals are a tad too striking. I feel that you should use the webbed rocks instead.

 

[Marshmalo]

If you use world editer unlimited you can creat cliffs at right angles so you can raise your sky city away from the water and it will look like its in the air, be aware of posible camera height issues though.

Whats the perple terrain around your crystal cave though? Imo the perple stuff looks bad, Id remove that.

Btw what does UTM stand for?

 

[Tr!KzZ]

Whats the perple terrain around your crystal cave though? Imo the perple stuff looks bad, Id remove that.

Btw what does UTM stand for?

I think the purple thing is something of the editor, you can add some view settings like marking water areas or landscape.. and that's the purple color, it shows cliffs I think.

UTM = Ultimate Terraining Map, it contains a lot of useful doodads and effects that you can use to make a beautiful terrain, but the map itself is about 3-4MB big, so it's mostly for showcase terrains, because there's no space for custom models for e.g. ORPG's

For the Ice Cave, try using some normal ice rocks from another areaset, and place only a few crystals between them, would look way better.

For the Sky City, you should remove one cliff area from it, you can normally rise a cliff by 2 levels without making it looking like a pyramid, so make the borders straight going down into the water. After create some region and place some fogg weather effect in it, so that it hides the water and makes some cloudy effect.. beside of that you can use some UTM models/effects to improve the sky city look.. just try a bit =)

 

[Wraithwynd]

Did I see snow?

Here is an idea. Take a snowy white doodad - ice berg, snowy rock. enlarge it place it where the water is currently, lower it (hold ctrl and hit page down while you have the doodad selected) until the snowy bit is just above the water. rinse and repeat as needed until you fill in between the cliffs (where the water is) this will give a 'solid' white cloudy effect.
On top of that use your white fog doodads.

Leave a few large ones (as you have) but make a few smaller ones. inset those inside of your larger ones. This should give you a layered effect of cloud.

Looking at all of your images I note that you do not use the Apply Height pallet. The tools are from right to left:


Raise: makes hills
Lower: makes craters, valleys
Plataea: flattens the land
Noise - one click roughens up the land - more than one really roughens the land.
Smooth - smooths out the land - most likely will require a lot of clicks to get a nice rolling hill effect.

Right now everything is too flat.

I note that you have 8 terrain areas in/on your map.

Get this little gem: Welcome to WE Unlimited

Don't use it for triggers, but DO use it to add more non-cliff tiles to your many region map. you can have up to 16 tiles - that means you can apply Northrend and Icecrown tiles to your working set and use those for your icy regions. You could also use the snowy ones to make solid 'cloud' around your city to help whiten the clouds.

DO NOT use that tool to add and use cliff tiles unless you read and apply the instructions - still folk without the WEU mayn't be able too use the map if it is more than the default two cliff types.

Speaking of cliffs. Yuck and double yuck.

I am currently working on a project with another person. Thread and attached images found here: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/f267/terraining-request-one-map-120618/#post1057109

Scroll down a wee bit and you will see the Work in Progress. Note how I have used the Raise tools and 'painted' rocks making near sheer cliffs without using the cliff tiles. Do something like that, getting rid of your blizzard cliffs.

If you want rocky, sheer cliffs then take your rock chunk model and make a few customized copies - change the tinting of each one, increase the size (image attached has rock cliffs) In that my rocks range between 1 and 5 in the object editor (100 and 500) I converted them to ramps, took away 'targeted as' and made them unselectable - I also removed their pathing and made them walkable, I set their fixed rotation to -1. Carefully selecting the variation I am using, placing them on the hill then using Ctrl- page up/down lowered them into place. since they are walkable in game my units can walk on them . to allow building of units ON the rocks, I made the terrain beneath a walkable terrain texture. I used pathing blockers in this case on the river side carefully placing each blocker to prevent walking units from 'jumping' off the cliff and to prevent the sail boat from sailing up and over the rocks.

BTW the water is customized water fall - I made its minimum scale 0.01, its max scale 2.00 I made them floatable. I flattened them as flat as possible, placed them facing the direction the water is flowing. The ones shown range between 100 and 175 - down river the water falls are smaller than up river - the over all effect is faster flowing water for the smaller ones.

Since this is a game map do not view it in the editor as 'done'. Test the map, look at it the way your player(s) will look at it - inside the game. Yeah you zoomed out to look at the whole thing - that is 'meaningless' for a game map. Inside of the game things will look different, especially if you are using black mask and fog of war - or if you are using the default game camera and its default angle of attack.

The second image I include here is from inside the game. While I took a great angled shot from the editor of the same area, the players will never, ever see those cliffs that way from inside the game. Thus the over all impression changes of your landscape in game compared to in the editor.

The last is a cinematic view of my village with its canal. I did not use the wall cliff tile, instead I took walls, enlarged them, made them walkable, adjusted their tint to a darker color. Then set them in a long row along the banks of the canal. Where the corners meet I changed one of the wall variations to include the wall end thus merging them in a neater fashion.

 

[FamousPker49]

Thanks
Orpg always lag so i abit dont mind that thing

Besides the terrain aspect, I love this attitude, since everyone else's is broken, their is no point in trying to make mine work. Lol.

But the terrain looks okay. But do Void's idea since it was what I would've suggested.

 

[dust77]

Thanks Wraithwynd
U teach me something i never think ..
I will edit 50% my map and post it in here
Lot of work for sure zzz
and thanks to all who help me i will +rep all

 

[ArcticInferno]

Did I see snow?

Here is an idea. Take a snowy white doodad - ice berg, snowy rock. enlarge it place it where the water is currently, lower it (hold ctrl and hit page down while you have the doodad selected) until the snowy bit is just above the water. rinse and repeat as needed until you fill in between the cliffs (where the water is) this will give a 'solid' white cloudy effect.
On top of that use your white fog doodads.

Leave a few large ones (as you have) but make a few smaller ones. inset those inside of your larger ones. This should give you a layered effect of cloud.

Looking at all of your images I note that you do not use the Apply Height pallet. The tools are from right to left:


Raise: makes hills
Lower: makes craters, valleys
Plataea: flattens the land
Noise - one click roughens up the land - more than one really roughens the land.
Smooth - smooths out the land - most likely will require a lot of clicks to get a nice rolling hill effect.

Right now everything is too flat.

I note that you have 8 terrain areas in/on your map.

Get this little gem: Welcome to WE Unlimited

Don't use it for triggers, but DO use it to add more non-cliff tiles to your many region map. you can have up to 16 tiles - that means you can apply Northrend and Icecrown tiles to your working set and use those for your icy regions. You could also use the snowy ones to make solid 'cloud' around your city to help whiten the clouds.

DO NOT use that tool to add and use cliff tiles unless you read and apply the instructions - still folk without the WEU mayn't be able too use the map if it is more than the default two cliff types.

Speaking of cliffs. Yuck and double yuck.

I am currently working on a project with another person. Thread and attached images found here: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/f267/terraining-request-one-map-120618/#post1057109

Scroll down a wee bit and you will see the Work in Progress. Note how I have used the Raise tools and 'painted' rocks making near sheer cliffs without using the cliff tiles. Do something like that, getting rid of your blizzard cliffs.

If you want rocky, sheer cliffs then take your rock chunk model and make a few customized copies - change the tinting of each one, increase the size (image attached has rock cliffs) In that my rocks range between 1 and 5 in the object editor (100 and 500) I converted them to ramps, took away 'targeted as' and made them unselectable - I also removed their pathing and made them walkable, I set their fixed rotation to -1. Carefully selecting the variation I am using, placing them on the hill then using Ctrl- page up/down lowered them into place. since they are walkable in game my units can walk on them . to allow building of units ON the rocks, I made the terrain beneath a walkable terrain texture. I used pathing blockers in this case on the river side carefully placing each blocker to prevent walking units from 'jumping' off the cliff and to prevent the sail boat from sailing up and over the rocks.

BTW the water is customized water fall - I made its minimum scale 0.01, its max scale 2.00 I made them floatable. I flattened them as flat as possible, placed them facing the direction the water is flowing. The ones shown range between 100 and 175 - down river the water falls are smaller than up river - the over all effect is faster flowing water for the smaller ones.

Since this is a game map do not view it in the editor as 'done'. Test the map, look at it the way your player(s) will look at it - inside the game. Yeah you zoomed out to look at the whole thing - that is 'meaningless' for a game map. Inside of the game things will look different, especially if you are using black mask and fog of war - or if you are using the default game camera and its default angle of attack.

The second image I include here is from inside the game. While I took a great angled shot from the editor of the same area, the players will never, ever see those cliffs that way from inside the game. Thus the over all impression changes of your landscape in game compared to in the editor.

The last is a cinematic view of my village with its canal. I did not use the wall cliff tile, instead I took walls, enlarged them, made them walkable, adjusted their tint to a darker color. Then set them in a long row along the banks of the canal. Where the corners meet I changed one of the wall variations to include the wall end thus merging them in a neater fashion.

Or you can just use the terraining 'hack' posted by happytauren. It was stick'd.

Wraithwynd I admire your helpfulness. lol