multiples of 'build tiny X' as a unit spell

[doom_sheep]

I want to have a spell book with several spells that use the targeting that it has, with the building shown on your cursor. obviously the issue is that the same base ID fucks everything up.

there's not another spell with that kind of targeting or some other work around, is there?

 

[Chaosy]

Tried changing the order id in the object editor?

I heard that it does not work, but you might as well give it a try.

 

[Chaosium]

There are like 5 or 6 "build a tiny..." spells and they seem to all share the same ID. I tried to give "build a tiny barracks" and "build a tiny forge" to a peasant, and the two spells got mixed up when I ordered him to build a barracks.

I don't see any workaround for this, except giving your unit the regular "build" ability, or creating your buildings via triggers.

 

[Pyrogasm]

Do the tiny X abilities cost gold to use? I don't think so but that's the only thing this wouldn't do:

1. Unit casts dummy no-target, base off channel and you can literally give it any orderstring
2. Detect when unit is issued the chosen orderstring, order it to stop, then reissue its order prior to the cast order (use something like Dusk's LastOrder library)
3. Give the appropriate 'build tiny X' ability and cancel detector ability (see below) to the unit
4. Delay 0.02+ seconds (see this thread for speculation as to why this is necessary)-- weitlol's solution may work for you, I haven't tested it yet.
5. Select the unit for the building player
6. Force the UI key for the 'build tiny X' you want to cast

In addition to all that you'll need another no-target channel-based ability to use as a cancel detector. A periodic timer will need to loop through all 'building' players and force the UI key for the cancel detector. If a unit ever casts the cancel detector ability you know the player either cancelled the building/targeting step by right-clicking (undetectable otherwise)/pressing ESC (detectable), deselected the unit, or successfully cast the 'build tiny X' ability.

If you wanna see this in action, lemme know and you can mess with my test map.

 

[Kyrbi0]

Wait... So what's all that? He can't just have a Spellbook full of Channels (all labeled "Build X" and given different Order IDs), and then use a Trigger to catch the Channel-cast & summon the appropriate Dummy Caster who then casts the appropriate "Build Tiny X"?

 

[Kaijyuu]

Using them as actual items would work obviously, assuming that the map in question doesn't already use items, and you need 6 or less buildings.

 

[Pyrogasm]

Wait... So what's all that? He can't just have a Spellbook full of Channels (all labeled "Build X" and given different Order IDs), and then use a Trigger to catch the Channel-cast & summon the appropriate Dummy Caster who then casts the appropriate "Build Tiny X"?

If you use the dummy spells for targeting you lose the tiny X abilities' property of showing the pathing of the target area on mouse hover (before clicking to actually cast) and how the building fits in that area. Ordering a dummy to Build Tiny X on the cast location may or may not work (if the location was appropriately pathable, for example) and you lose the shnazzy UI which I assume is the real reason for wanting to use this.

Second, if the unit you want to force a UI key for is not selected by the player you wish to force it for (as a dummy unit would be) or the unit doesn't yet have the ability you want to force (necessary in this case because multiple Tiny X abilities conflict) or the ability is disabled for the casting player, there is some sort of internal refresh time (not a frame draw, it seems) for the unit to be selected and the ability added to the command card that you must wait before the force key will actually do something. Check out my linked thread for more info.

Using them as actual items would work obviously, assuming that the map in question doesn't already use items, and you need 6 or less buildings.

If you use 1 or 2 of the item slots for dummy 'scroll up'/'scroll down' items, you can have an unlimited number of item-buildable buildings by cycling through different pages. A little clunky but it gets around this limitation.

 

[Kyrbi0]

See, this is why I keep you around. : D

If you use the dummy spells for targeting you lose the tiny X abilities' property of showing the pathing of the target area on mouse hover (before clicking to actually cast) and how the building fits in that area. Ordering a dummy to Build Tiny X on the cast location may or may not work (if the location was appropriately pathable, for example) and you lose the shnazzy UI which I assume is the real reason for wanting to use this.

Ah, of course, the pathing UI thing. Daaaang. Guess this is why I only had a building doing this...

If you use 1 or 2 of the item slots for dummy 'scroll up'/'scroll down' items, you can have an unlimited number of item-buildable buildings by cycling through different pages. A little clunky but it gets around this limitation.

Hm. Different "pages" in the item slots?

 

[Pyrogasm]

When Scroll Up/Down item is used, remove the 4 Tiny X-based items in the unit's inventory and replace them with the next/previous page's worth of items.

 

[Kyrbi0]

*slaps forehead*