Modeling Contest #25: Dualism

[Kyrbi0]

..now many people came supporting this dualism theme (which i, as well, think is much worse than hero-ifying)...

So if you like "Promotion" better as well, why argue against it?

...but the time passed, and it isn't legitimate anymore, because the interested people changed. ...

I politely beg to differ; several posts in this thread (including the one directly above yours) indicate a persistent interest in the "Promotion" idea. Including... yourself? : )

...and just hosting another theme won't be right...

I'm not sure I understand this... All of these were just suggestions (originally). The forum could be full of "Contest Suggestions", and whichever one either A: garnered the most interest or B: arbitrarily got picked by a mod/admin to start, would be chosen & started. Is that not how it works?

In this case, there were (essentially) three different ideas floating around for modelling contests. (Which is great! I don't mind some healthy competition, and it shows that people here (esp. modellers) are still really active & excited for a contest of this sort.) In this case, however, one was given a lot of support from users (A) and ultimately declared "next-in-line" by an admin (B). The other two are both great and I look forward to them as well.

So I'm afraid I don't understand how it "wouldn't be right" to pick one theme over another (aside from perhaps the frustration of having gone so far, having an admin saying one thing "OK, let's do this dualism theme" and then having it not happen as planned), given the circumstances. Hope I haven't caused any offense; no hard feelings.

 

[HappyCockroach]

apparently you didn't understand what i said.

So if you like "Promotion" better as well, why argue against it?

i didn't come to argue towards or against any of them. i said we should make a theme which is legitimate. which reflect what people want to do.

saying "i like this" isn't an argument, it's just my personal preference. if everyone likes one theme, that's an argument.

I politely beg to differ; several posts in this thread (including the one directly above yours) indicate a persistent interest in the "Promotion" idea. Including... yourself? : )

and several posts indicate a persistent interest in "Dualism" idea. that is an issue to solve, isn't it?

I'm not sure I understand this... All of these were just suggestions (originally). The forum could be full of "Contest Suggestions", and whichever one either A: garnered the most interest or B: arbitrarily got picked by a mod/admin to start, would be chosen & started. Is that not how it works?

why would we make threads, posts and stuff to discuss a theme if that's how it was supposed to work?

In this case, there were (essentially) three different ideas floating around for modelling contests. (Which is great! I don't mind some healthy competition, and it shows that people here (esp. modellers) are still really active & excited for a contest of this sort.) In this case, however, one was given a lot of support from users (A) and ultimately declared "next-in-line" by an admin (B). The other two are both great and I look forward to them as well.

So I'm afraid I don't understand how it "wouldn't be right" to pick one theme over another (aside from perhaps the frustration of having gone so far, having an admin saying one thing "OK, let's do this dualism theme" and then having it not happen as planned), given the circumstances. Hope I haven't caused any offense; no hard feelings.

GUYS, GIVE UP ON THIS CONTEST IDEA. WE MADE A POLL IN 2011 TO MAKE A GENITALIA MODELING CONTEST. GENITALIA ALREADY WON, YOU CAN QUEUE YOUR IDEA.

get it?

 

[Deolrin]

HappyCockroach, the difference is that usually, a modeling contest is hosted every time the previous one ends, plus a month or two. This time, no modeling contest was hosted since that thread in 2012, even though Pharaoh_ already picked the theme. Essentially, we were all waiting for Pharaoh_ to start the contest. And now, a new contest theme pops up and suddenly everyone forgets that we've already picked a theme and were simply waiting patiently for Pharaoh_ to host it.

And then, of course, there's the issue that this contest was already hosted. Unless the "Alternate" animation requirements are uplifted, there's absolutely no difference between "Dualism" and "Morphing Units". I could make a robot that morphs into a truck, and it'll probably count as "Dualism", because it has two forms. Duality of form. Whatever.
Either way, if the contest didn't have "Alternate Animations" as a requirement, it would probably have been pretty original. You COULD have alternate animations, or you could have a character who is, say, half corrupted, or maybe have a character who is a 'host' for two conflicting entities\spirits, etc etc.

...Of course, none of this actually matters, since currently, "Promotion" is winning the poll.

 

[Kyrbi0]

apparently you didn't understand what i said.

Perhaps not. I'll put the rest in here to avoid junking up the thread. : )

HC Convo

saying "i like this" isn't an argument, it's just my personal preference. if everyone likes one theme, that's an argument.

Well... Whether one person or many, an opinion is still an opinion. That person or those people might have evidence, anecdotes, or experience to back up that opinion (which would then formulate the argument), but...

and several posts indicate a persistent interest in "Dualism" idea. that is an issue to solve, isn't it?

Sure. As a fellow "persistently interested individual", though, I would argue that precedence be given where it is due.

Nothing says we can't do it. Just perhaps not immediately?

why would we make threads, posts and stuff to discuss a theme if that's how it was supposed to work?

I don't understand. Users create threads & post comments & opinions & such, indicating and corroborating interest in a given contest idea. That's A: getting interested users to rally behind you. Then, usually, the mods/admins check out these topics/posts/comments/opinions, and make contests out of them; that's B.

GUYS, GIVE UP ON THIS CONTEST IDEA. WE MADE A POLL IN 2011 TO MAKE A GENITALIA MODELING CONTEST. GENITALIA ALREADY WON, YOU CAN QUEUE YOUR IDEA.

get it?

Not really... Let's say, for the sake of the argument, that this actually happened (I'm assuming you're joking, or making an example). If some other idea had gotten a lot of interest, I think it would be a strong contender for "next modelling contest" (unless most/all that interest was gone by the time it started). Moreover, if some mod/admin had stepped down and was quoted as saying "alright guys, this'll be the next contest", I'd say it'd be an even stronger contender for "next modelling contest".

Then, if he does it again, well... First come, first served? : )

appyCockroach, the difference is that usually, a modeling contest is hosted every time the previous one ends, plus a month or two. This time, no modeling contest was hosted since that thread in 2012, even though Pharaoh_ already picked the theme. Essentially, we were all waiting for Pharaoh_ to start the contest. And now, a new contest theme pops up and suddenly everyone forgets that we've already picked a theme and were simply waiting patiently for Pharaoh_ to host it.

And then, of course, there's the issue that this contest was already hosted. Unless the "Alternate" animation requirements are uplifted, there's absolutely no difference between "Dualism" and "Morphing Units". I could make a robot that morphs into a truck, and it'll probably count as "Dualism", because it has two forms. Duality of form. Whatever.
Either way, if the contest didn't have "Alternate Animations" as a requirement, it would probably have been pretty original. You COULD have alternate animations, or you could have a character who is, say, half corrupted, or maybe have a character who is a 'host' for two conflicting entities\spirits, etc etc.

This.

Also, while I agree with the similarities, I A: don't entirely mind contest repeats (again, if people are interested), and B: think this contest could be pretty different. Take away the "alternate animation" requirement, and focus on the "one model embodies two opposite concepts". Kinda like an enhanced version of the "Feels" contest (going for concepts, ideals & emotions rather than concrete things).

 

[HappyCockroach]

Essentially, we were all waiting for Pharaoh_ to start the contest.

Perhaps not.

pretty lame, everything the both of you said.

but such a little issue isn't worth the time and i withdraw from the "discussion" (which i can't really call a discussion...)

 

[Deolrin]

Ah, HappyCockroach. You need not worry yourself over such matters. As I've said:

...Of course, none of this actually matters, since currently, "Promotion" is winning the poll.

The problem essentially solved itself, thanks to your initiative. So none of this discussion is necessary in the first place.

 

[eubz]

Making this thread alive again.