[General] List of questions

[-Peper-]

Well, I have some questions.
1. What causes irremovable leaks?
2. If I shouldn't use pause and waits for spell then what should I use?
3. How many damage dealt by Whosyourdaddy?
4. Is 522 the maximum MS?
5. What is the maximum AS?
6. How to set Spell cast and loop properly?
7. How to set like:
-Deal damage 15%xHerostrength? I don't know how to set the hero strength.

 

[Kala]

1. I have no idea
2. This might help you
3. It multiplies your damage by 100
4. Yes. You can use higher values tho but it doesnt have any effect.
5. Depends from attack animation. Like Priest cant have as fast attackspeed as Blademaster.
6. I dont know what you mean
7.

• Spell
  • Events
    • Unit - A unit Starts the effect of an ability
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Unit - Cause (Triggering unit) to damage (Triggering unit), dealing ((Real((Strength of (Triggering unit) (Include bonuses)))) x 0.15) damage of attack type Spells and damage type Normal

 

[Maker]

1. What causes irremovable leaks?

When you lose a reference to an object in memory.

Example

• Untitled Trigger 043
  • Events
    • Unit - A unit Starts the effect of an ability
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Set point = (Target point of ability being cast)
    • Wait 2.00 seconds
    • Set point = (Center of (Playable map area))

^There is no way to find out what the target point was, ever again. We don't know it's address. It was not removed from memory, thus a leak occurs.

2. If I shouldn't use pause and waits for spell then what should I use?

Waits should be replaced with timers. Pause could be replaced with using Channel as the base ability, and giving the ability some follow through time so the unit doesn't auto-attack for example, it keeps the ability order.

3. How many damage dealt by Whosyourdaddy?

Kala answered this one.

4. Is 522 the maximum MS?

Yes. To move faster, you need to use trigger enhanced movement when you calculate and set the unit's position yourself.

5. What is the maximum AS?

Maximum bonus is +400%, and maximum attack speed is 10 hits per second.

6. How to set Spell cast and loop properly?

THis would require a lenghty answer, but basically you can use timers. Take a loot at some spells in the spell database.

7. How to set like:
-Deal damage 15%xHerostrength? I don't know how to set the hero strength.

• Set r1 = (0.15 x (Real((Strength of (Triggering unit) (Include bonuses)))))

Then deal r1 damage.

Use arithmetic to get the x multiplier, use Conversion - Integer to real for the str part.

 

[Adiktuz]

some more note, to attain 5) on a hero, you would need lots of agility assuming it gives AS bonus... and I think setting the attack cooldown to a low value is necessary too... I'll try to see the test map where I tried this...

 

[Maker]

I tested with a five sec timer, damage detection and giving the unit 0 attack cooldown. It is ten hits per second

 

[Bannar]

1) CreateUnit always creates small leak - unit after decaying isn't fully ceaned up. This leak can be prevented via RemoveUnit(u) function.

5) Additionaly I will add that 400% limit can not be abused. Minimum AS is equal to 80%.
Attacks per second = (1 + IAS)/BAT; where IAS is bonus AS in percentage, while BAT is Base Attack Time for given unit.

7) If you are jass user use:

native          GetHeroStr          takes unit whichHero, boolean includeBonuses returns integer

Example:

call UnitDamageTarget(u, target, 0.15*GetHeroStr(u),false, false, ATTACK_TYPE_CHAOS, DAMAGE_TYPE_NORMAL, null)

@Adiktuz, minimal delay between each attack is equal to 0.1 sec. Same as TriggerSleepAction cap.

 

[Adiktuz]

Minimum AS is equal to 80%.
->now that's something new to me... ^_^

 

[-Peper-]

I got it, thanks guys.

 

[Maker]

Minimum AS is equal to 80%.
->now that's something new to me... ^_^

To avoid misinterpretations, that means as can be reduced so that it is 5 times slower than what it originally was.

1 second attack cooldown can become 5 seconds, not more.

 

[Bannar]

Yeah, meaby I haven't said that correctly:
A unit's IAS cannot go above 400 or below -80.

The 400% makes unit attack 5 times quicker than it does by default.
The -80% makes unit attack 5 times slower than it does by default.

If any of bonuses would go over max, or be reduced beyond min, it will be caped at them instead.

 

[-Peper-]

Question again.
How to find out an unit/ability/building id without using NewGen?

 

[Bannar]

Open Object Editor and click Ctrl + D. Rawdata (ids) will replace all the string stuff. Unit-type ids will replace the unit names. For example, Footman will be replaced with 'hfoo'. Spell, buffs, etc ids you can get is similar way.

 

[Adiktuz]

You can use the custom script for that without using NewGen... just use GUI's Custom script action...

 

[-Peper-]

Got it.
I got the line now. So if I make a spell trigger, there will be 2 triggers. Initialization and loop, and loop doesn't initially on. On initialization trigger, I use the 'An unit cast spell' and 'the spell equal to blah blah' then I set the variables then fire the loop trigger right?
On the loop trigger, I use 'Every 0.03 seconds of game time' then deal damage blah blah, then clear the leaks. Am I right?

 

[Adiktuz]

though you would need to use indexing or hashtables if you want it to work with more than one unit... or more than one instance of that spell...

 

[-Peper-]

Which is simpler, hashtable or indexing? From what I could understand, hashtable could store more.
Question again, what is 'Integer A' or somewhat?

 

[Adiktuz]

Integer A is an integer... its normally used in GUI for loops, basically it provides you automatically with an integer variable called A...

as for which is simple, I think it depends on you... but indexing might be simpler to use...

 

[-Peper-]

Integer A is an integer... its normally used in GUI for loops, basically it provides you automatically with an integer variable called A...

Cool, thanks. I'm reading indexing tutorial now.

 

[Adiktuz]

Though sometimes, using successive IntegerA/B loops causes weird bugs so its suggested to use a custom integer variable...

 

[-Peper-]

Why does 'Pick Every Unit in...' leaks when I checked it in Leak Check? Can it be removed?

 

[Maker]

Add

• Custom script: set bj_wantDestroyGroup = true

before the pick, and the group will be destroyed after the loop.

 

[-Peper-]

Add

• Custom script: set bj_wantDestroyGroup = true

before the pick, and the group will be destroyed after the loop.

Oh thanks.
So what's the difference between 'set bj_wantDestroy' and 'call Destroy'? And is there a 'set bj_wantDestroyUnit'?

 

[Adiktuz]

That script is only for groups... the difference is that if you choose to call DestroyGroup(group), you would need to set the group first into a variable, while using that line, will remove the next created group automatically after use so no more need to set the group to a variable...

 

[-Peper-]

That script is only for groups... the difference is that if you choose to call DestroyGroup(group), you would need to set the group first into a variable, while using that line, will remove the next created group automatically after use so no more need to set the group to a variable...

Cool script there. So I don't need to 'Pick Every unit in the -region- then do actions. Set picked unit to -a variable-'

 

[Bannar]

Dynamic Indexing Template / Unit Indexer - those are best indexing ways for GUI-users

 

[Adiktuz]

no, what you dont need to do is

• Set GroupVariable = Pick evry unit blahblah
• Unit Group - Pick every unit in GroupVariable and do
• Custom script: call DestroyGroup(udg_GroupVariable)

but instead it will just be

• Custom script: set bj_wantDestroyGroup = true
• Unit Group - Pick every unit in blahblah and do

 

[-Peper-]

Dynamic Indexing Template / Unit Indexer - those are best indexing ways for GUI-users

Thanks

no, what you dont need to do is

• Set GroupVariable = Pick evry unit blahblah
• Unit Group - Pick every unit in GroupVariable and do
• Custom script: call DestroyGroup(udg_GroupVariable)

but instead it will just be

• Custom script: set bj_wantDestroyGroup = true
• Unit Group - Pick every unit in blahblah and do

Understood.
Does trigger optimization/length important?

 

[Adiktuz]

yeah, coz things like leaks would cause the game to lag and crash after some time... and optimized triggers also reduces the amount of lag that can happen while playing, and makes things work faster...

 

[Dr Super Good]

1. What causes irremovable leaks?

Creating units in any way causes an "irremovable" memory leak. This is a hard coded WC3 bug as removing the units in every way immaginable will not stop this leak from occuring. The only advice I have to compensate this bug is to recycle dummy units, and avoid permantly killing units of a type you will need again in the future.

 

[-Peper-]

What is the dummy.mdx by Vexorian? Could that be used instead of no-model-no-collision-with-locust dummy?

 

[Adiktuz]

Its a dummy model which is blank but has attachment points... you would still put locust on it if you want it not to have collision and be invulnerable and everything else that comes with locust...

 

[-Peper-]

I see... Used for things like inventory system?

 

[Adiktuz]

depends... but its widely used for dummy units that would be attached with some effects like in missile systems etc...

 

[-Peper-]

Do terrain deformations cause leaks?
In DotA map, a hero named Barathrum could charge with 628 ms, is that possible?

 

[Maker]

I think DSG or Bribe mentioned that terrain deformation do cause leaks, and that they are unavoidable.

 

[Bribe]

Deformations in general are dangerous as I have read they are one of the key reasons for desyncing GetLocationZ, however I am not sure if GetLocationZ is even a cause of desyncs any more.

And yes the handle indices of deformations do not climb down. They also lack a "destroy" method. I think the API is incomplete similar to trackables.

 

[Adiktuz]

Last time I played, barathrum only charges for a max of 522 ms... and that's the hardcoded max, anything beyond that should be triggered movement...

 

[-Peper-]

Desync+leak? I won't mess with them.
@Adiktuz
In 6.72f, the lvl4 of his charge even beat someone with 522 ms and it said 628.

 

[Bannar]

@Peper, Charge ability is triggered one. Bara is moved via script functions (and while in this state his collision is disabled too).

 

[-Peper-]

Got it.

 

[Adiktuz]

So that means they also edited the -ms command to show a customized movespeed... pretty neat... I haven't got to play SB yet on 6.72xx, only on 6.71xx... ^_^

 

[-Peper-]

What is the simplest way to detect unit colliding with another unit?

 

[Adiktuz]

Triggers which fire upon the unit in range event?

 

[-Peper-]

Ah! That could be used. Cool.