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Last Snow

Submitted by Ossavi
This bundle is marked as approved. It works and satisfies the submission rules.
(2)Last Snow

General Info:
Players: 1v1
Size: 90x92
Created for "Melee Mapping Contest #6"

Neutral Buildings:
4 Goldmines
2 Shops
2 Labs
2 Mercs
1 Tavern

Creepcamps:
6 Green
10 Orange
2 Red

Creeping:
-For level 2 you can creep the orange camp next to your base and any other camp on the map
-For a fast level 3 as human you creep the orange camp next to your base, then the green camp next to it, then the green camp with the wolf while simultaneously creeping the murlocs with militia (this results in the exact same time for lvl 3 as on CH)
-AOW can be placed to creep the orange camp next to the base, and can later move over to the more difficult orange camp next to it; Also it is possible to build the AOW in between the orange and the green camp to creep both of them early



Update (26.08.20)
- added a green camp next to the base and changed some creeps
- since I did not mention the last couple of updates yet that happened over the last week, here's a list:
- changed the layout of the green camps in the middle
- changed all treelines on the map to minimize the amout of hiding spots for wisps
- changed the amount of gold in the expansion gold mines to 20k (similar to AZ)
- added some doodads and cliffs to make the map more visually appealing
Update (18.10.20)
- changed terrain in some places

Update (05.12.20)
-moved the red spots closer towards the edges of the map

Update (17.12.20)
- changed the red creep camp

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Last Snow (Map)

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mafe
Approved based on the results and reviews of the 6th melee mapping contest: Hive Cup 2020: Melee Mapping Contest #6 - Results Additional comments: -The only downside I see on this map is that it is lacking a unique selling point, instead there...
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    WolfFarkas

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    dont forget to copy the link of this map and paste it on the hive melee cup page so the mod can add your map to the map list.
     
  2. Zucth

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    Minimap look very good.
    but why do I feel like Hu can do tower rush game here?
    Idk...
     
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    WolfFarkas

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    I understand that when you play competitive tournaments. there are observers and referees,
    it is usually forbidden to send your peons and tower-rush, militia rush in the start.


    90x92 is a valid map size. just as comparison Last Refuge is 84x84
    Last Refuge - Liquipedia Warcraft Wiki
     
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    Oh welp that make sense. :plol:
     
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    AZ is 80x80 and tower rushes are almost never seen anymore. Since when its forbidden Oo? 0 problems with that here
     
  6. WolfFarkas

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    I read once in a single cup that do the militia rush or tower rush at start was forbidden, considered as a distance problem (of the map) exploit.

    my mistake for consider this as a general thing, when I only read it once. I
    already deleted my text of my previous post to avoid confusion

    But also I think that send all peons at start and militia/tower rush the enemy and win in 2 mins is not exactly fun to see or cast.
    fun games are of 15 mins, with creeping, expanding, hack expandings, a full confrontation and gg.
     
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    "But also I think that send all peons at start and militia/tower rush the enemy and win is not exactly fun to see or cast.
    fun games are of 15 mins, with creeping, expanding, hack expandings, a full confrontation and gg."

    Every good player can defend it to the point that it got extremly rare. especially the just run over at the start wihout hero is totaly never seen cuz its sooo bad
     
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    good to know thanks.
     
  9. mafe

    mafe

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    This is a very good map. Nevertheless, some questions/suggestions:
    1. While the rocks, mushrooms etc in front of trees look nice, they can cause treants to be stuck. In particular in locations where they are on the north side of the trees, so that they might even be hidden by the trees on most camera angles.
    2. Flowers/shrubs near expansions can look kinda our of place on blight if undeads expand there.
    3. With just one expansion per player, and all mines on 12500 gold, the map might create stalemate situation where all mines run out of gold, all creeps are killed, and attacking is not really an option either. Like it sometimes happens on EI. I personally dont like this. Maybe you can somewhat increase the gold amount in the expansion (as it is done on AZ).
    4. Looking at the earlygame creep routes, it seems to me that in nearly all games, taking the green (lvl 2 permanent) camp next to your base is the only viable option (when going for militia-/AW-creeping). Everything else seems very risky to me. This reminds me of LR, so it is not automatically bad. But I feel that there could be another option to make the first minutes of the game less predictable.
    5. Currently there are virtually infinetly many "untouchable wisp" trees, i.e. trees where melee units cannot attack wisps. This is the case everywhere were a corner, but not a an edge, of the tiles occupied by a tree is adjacent to walkable terrain. Removing this would be annoying, but for competitive maps, this is essentially a must.
    6. I would have expected a tome at the shops/merc camps as a secondary item drop.
     
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    Very nice melee map, randomly while testing the map my archmage got stuck behind a destructible cage. suggest making the cages indestructible. It was kind of hilarious I just able to teleport out, only wish reforged has functioning replays.
     
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    I really like this map layout and neutral positions.
     
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    Approved based on the results and reviews of the 6th melee mapping contest: Hive Cup 2020: Melee Mapping Contest #6 - Results

    Additional comments:
    -The only downside I see on this map is that it is lacking a unique selling point, instead there several minor changes from the norm
    -A different merc camps would stand out in the competitive map pool, but not so much among the other maps of the contest, where some also have different merc camps.
    -Good mix of established and rarely seen creeps.
    -Typical familiar warcraftish look.
    -I like the choice of multiple creeping options right from the first moment the heroes are out.
    -While I dont think we need more maps with one expansion in the mappool, I wouldnt complain replacing AZ with this map.

    To be honest, this map was my favorite to win, and I was surprised to see it "only" in 5th place. But at least it's getting a chance in the cup.
     
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