Kings and Empires v1.55

[Moderator]

10:43, 23rd Apr 2014
Orcnet: Map approved

 

[Samahp]

Seems like I've put the version name in the name. Can any mod change the map name to "Kings and Empires" instead of "Kings and Empires v.1.49"? Thank you.


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What a dummy I was... It changes with the download file...

 

[Orcnet]

You can use the

button, you can also do the map description there. I'd give you time.

 

[Samahp]

Thank you, but I mean the page's title, I can't change it in there. Btw, I've updated the description now.

 

[Samahp]

I've got to go now. Hope its approved when I'm back

 

[Vinz]

I think the title is synonymous with map name. I will check this out soon.

 

[eubz]

I like your idea of this strategy type of map where you will build your kingdom and fight with other players. The game is just fine as it should be but there are some little things you should consider.
1. There are icons that turn green when you pause the game.
2. The terrain is empty, it has nothing in it so it looks dead at first. Although at the progress of the game you can see inhabitants already, but it is not really wise to leave the terrain empty.
3. I found an archer with a woman voice when in fact, he is a man. Try to do something about this.

 

[Samahp]

Reply to eubz

1. Yes, I know, and I am trying to find it all and fix it.

2. Yeah, I am not good at terrain making, so I tried to make it fast and clean. You know, when I make terrain, it all gets to look a bit the same. I will fix this.

3. Hah! Thats suprising. I will fix this.

As I've said, I will fix it all in version 1.50.

 

[eubz]

I will wait for the next version.

 

[Samahp]

This is getting boring. I was done with some of the bugs, and then my computer randomly shut down... I'll have to start all over again...

 

[LordDz]

This is getting boring. I was done with some of the bugs, and then my computer randomly shut down... I'll have to start all over again...

CRTL + S, every 5 min or less. NEVER work in a program without saving regulary.

 

[Samahp]

I know.. I forgot, but I did that when I started the computer again.

 

[Dark-Zalor]

My little review

Terrain
The terrain is too empty... Ok but this is understanding when I played it
Tha bases have to be quite huge to unlock final buildings
Put 2 entry for each potential bases area.

Economy
I Know that economy is quite hard but gives information
some text "Your population works too much" or "Stop Loarderon's holidays"
What is the delay before you get money (I advise you tu set it every 1 seconds)
describe how much you obtain with every buildings
I was lost (I built some building randomly)

How many people per house, does it feels people happy?
How many workers per blacksmith ?
How many people per wood factory?
How much Happiness gives the tavern?
How many people you need to have a medium village? and a big one? (I stopped after 50 houses)
How much gives a worker 5x time more than a workless villager
How much time after create a house a villager will sapwn/Does houses spawn villager??
How much gold a worker villager obtain per seconds?

the player haven't done the map with you..

Display
hapiness icon is green
Why you can choose other races than human
Why import an other model for tavern, and barrack?? WC3 models are fine

Mess
After a moment you have too much villagers in your base and the center is over-crowded it's blocked
(so if you creates new villagers they are blocked in the mess)
I think it could be more technical to have less people in the base, less buildings, and have to upgrade buildings.
Could be fun to specialize your population (Wood, iron, fish, stone, ...)

Hero
What the hero is used for (I don't know if it's english)
Just choose your town hall location?
Spells?
Items?

Happiness
How do calculate Happiness?
We can imagine that creates War buildings can decreases hapiness
Or creates a tavern or win a war Increases hapiness

Problems
Fix the description for demolisher units

Is it possible to have other bases??

Food
I think the essencial ressources in this kind of map before gold is the food
No food no workers no gold???
It could be more realistic to creates this ressource or decrease the amount of gold obtained periodically
Like in warcraft 3 modes

Economy and Market
If you want to be very realistic
Why not imagine to buy food/stones/Wood/.. with a market that have changing price
like in real Life

You wrote that :
We have for a long time been waiting for a real strategic game, and here it is.
Or I'm dreaming...

So I think that game has a great potential but you need to improve your descriptions during the game
This is a message to gives you a "short" constructive critic of your game

 

[Samahp]

How many people per house, does it feels people happy?
One villager per house, and no, houses don't make villagers happy, it was too OP. ( I had it in a version that has not been submitted. (v.1.42))

How many workers per blacksmith ?
You are allowed to have endless workers. Blacksmiths are only for getting people to work.

How many people per wood factory?
The lumber mills are also for having people working, its just better in the way, that it does not decrease the people's happiness as much as the
blacksmith.

How much Happiness gives the tavern?
It gives 5.

How many people you need to have a medium village? and a big one? (I stopped after 50 houses)
It goes like this: 0, 10, 40, 100.

How much gives a worker 5x time more than a workless villager
I don't really understand this question... A working VILLAGER gives 5x income, not the worker unit. This means, that if you have 15 houses and
0 workplaces your income would be 15, if 11 houses and 1 workplace, it would still be 15, acctually the workplaces add 4 times as much as the
house. Just better to explain it by saying that a working villager gives 5x more than a jobless one.

How much time after create a house a villager will sapwn/Does houses spawn villager??
Yes, the number of houses tell how many villagers you CAN have... If your houses are broken your villagers will leave and if you build more,
they come. Also, the timer that says when they CAN leave or come, is set to 13 seconds.

How much gold a worker villager obtain per seconds?
This is hard to explain because its not really timed in seconds. Its like this: "Random real number from 4.00 to 17.00", so, in seconds, a working
villager gives. Let me calculate... Umm, LOL I've made it too complicated, I can't see it... But I guess somewhere around 15? Look below.

• Income
  • Events
    • Time - Every (Random real number between 4.00 and 17.00) seconds of game time
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Player Group - Pick every player in (All players) and do (Actions)
      • Loop - Actions
        • Player - Add (((((Number of units in Villagers[(Player number of (Picked player))]) - ((Picked player) Food used)) + (((Picked player) Food used) x 5)) x Happiness[(Player number of (Picked player))]) / 6) to (Picked player) Current gold

the player haven't done the map with you..
Sad, but true... My friend that normally tests with me is on holiday, and I have no one to test it with, I only play singleplayer...



hapiness icon is green
Fixed that in version 1.50

Why you can choose other races than human
Because I wanted it not to have fixed start location...

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I just found out that I am able to uncheck fixed start location,
and have fixed player settings on at the same time...

Why import an other model for tavern, and barrack?? WC3 models are fine
Because, I want my work to be something special... Something not so WC3 like...



After a moment you have too much villagers in your base and the center is over-crowded it's blocked
(so if you creates new villagers they are blocked in the mess)
I tried to fix this by changing the villager's collision size, didn't work... I hate that mess too... I'll try to find a way to fix it.

Could be fun to specialize your population (Wood, iron, fish, stone, ...)
Yeah, could be, but all of the bars at the top are full... Any idea?

What the hero is used for (I don't know if it's english)
Just choose your town hall location?
Spells?
Items?
I've not been working so much on the King... But as he levels, he will get very strong and be handy in combat. You can revive him.



How do calculate Happiness?
We can imagine that creates War buildings can decreases hapiness
Or creates a tavern or win a war Increases hapiness
Happiness is based on your buildings. War buildings, as you "Imagined" decrease, and Tavern increases. Houses don't increase it, because
then it would be too OP. You can think about it. A Workshop, would that be nice to have in your neighboorhood? No. And thats why it
decreases a lot... But stables, is that as bad? No, thats why it decreases just a bit... And so on.

Fix the description for demolisher units
What do you mean by that?

Is it possible to have other bases??
No, not yet, but you could maybe build a small hideout or something.



Why not imagine to buy food/stones/Wood/.. with a market that have changing price like in real Life
As mentioned above, I have no room for those at the top, any ideas? Again?






Thank you for your constructive critic. Please reply to the questions I've asked during answering yours. Thank you.

 

[Samahp]

The description for goblin demolishers is like "urhdjj"
No it does not, it says this: "These goblins are exeptionaly effective against walls.".

Dude, can you make a small map with this Multiboard in and send it to me? I always fail when making them...


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I've made one myself now... I found out that it was because I made
it at initizalation or something like that.

 

[eubz]

Here's a tutorial for multiboards.

 

[Samahp]

I will try, I've understood all in that tutorial, its just... I think I know why it never works... I'll be right back!

 

[Samahp]

You can creates a personal multiboard for every players with all the ressources

But what should I use all these resources for? It will be very complicated to buy for them...

 

[Samahp]

Yeah, but how should I display the steel cost of units? In the description?

 

[Samahp]

Nah, I just tried making it... Will be all to complicated.
I'll need to create variables telling what ALL of the units cost in all of the different resources, AND... I will need to display the costs in description... AND at last, I'll need to change all of the triggers containing anything about gold and change it to the variable gold...

 

[Dark-Zalor]

Yeah it's a bit difficult and longer to creates but it will transform your map into a very specific one..

 

[eubz]

Anything new here?

 

[Samahp]

Anything new here?

A lot.

 

[Samahp]

Look at the new description's design! Awesome huh? And all thanks to you, eubz.

 

[eubz]

Please, mention the names of the people who created the models, icons, etc. you used here.

 

[Samahp]

I will try to find them...

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Found all of them... Except the one who made the Tavern...
If anyone finds out, please notice me...

 

[Dark-Zalor]

Use the Warcraft 3 tavern model it's nice too.

 

[Samahp]

I tried to make it look cool... I often tried to add the buildings... But they look just the same all of the time... I can maybe make an album with descriptions of every building in game.

 

[Samahp]

I've added an album, soon I'm going to make descriptions of every unit.

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Done.

 

[Orcnet]

Map approved.

 

[LordVandor1]

A Short Review

First and important thing,nice job. I'm serious! Making a map is a long,hard work,so good job!
Second and important too,thank you for not protecting the map so that I could enjoy it more ^_^

Okay,now for the real review...

1) Why does the host have 100.000 money? It's INSANE!
I think all players should only have 10.000 money at the beginning.
And I would also make it more difficult to gain money by taxes!
2) King has no abilities,and why do I even need him? Yes,it's cool,
I myself think that without a unit that levels up,game becomes
boring...but this King is of no use! How about some abilities to
boost the army? I think it would be nice...
Oh,and I would make barbarians still give you experience after
level five. Could be useful
3) Uhm,why so few units? I appreciate that the game is balanced,
cause it actually IS balanced a lot. But too few units are
bad! And how about giving upgrades or extra abilities to some
units???
4) I added mercenaries and such in my version (it's for my personal
use,I will NEVER publish it so don't worry ^_^)... I mean I added
this feature: each game day (normally 480 seconds), you can
hire a different type of unit (heroes,healers,barbarians...) from
your capital (or town center,whatever you call it),so the game
is overall more awesome
5) What about artificial intelligence? It's a difficult thing,I know,but
it would really boost the fun up a lot!

Review's over I really liked this game,and that's why I said all these things! Because I expect even more from an already awesome map!
Keep up the good work,okay?

 

[Samahp]

1) Why does the host have 100.000 money? It's INSANE!
I think all players should only have 10.000 money at the beginning.

Its not the host, its the user "WorldEdit". Just for testing. Also, it gives you level 4 kingdom at start.

Oh,and I would make barbarians still give you experience after
level five. Could be useful

Forgot that, I'm gonna update

I'm gonna try some of your suggestions. Thank you for the review!

 

[LordVandor1]

Awesome =D
Can't wait to see it ^_^

I'm making a map too,but it's still a crappy version.
Wanna see it?
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/map-development-202/prides-empire-0-4-a-246241/

 

[Samahp]

My computer's cable from the motherboard to the harddisc is not working, so for the next few days, there will be no updates. Don't worry, I'll still be working on it when my computer is back.

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I've just found out that that was not the problem! There was a screw that lied inbetween the harddisk and the motherboard, giving it another way to pass... This gave me the error! Well, now its fixed. I'm working on a new update, so stay tuned!

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I'm sorry, but I will not be working on this so much.

 

[LordVandor1]

?????
I expected a new version but this is the downgraded version,isn't it?!

 

[Samahp]

I'm sorry, I don't have version 1.56, and I updated it to 1.55 by mistake... Have you got version 1.56? You could maybe send it to me so that I can publish it again? If so, thank you.

 

[LordVandor1]

I have a modified version,clearly unbalanced and incomplete.
(just for personal use as I already said).
The changelog says you just raised the barbarians' spawning time,right?
It shouldn't be a big deal to do that again...

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Well,you could add just a few things once a week so it won't feel like you waste
your time doing this.