Kil'jaeden- Work in Progress

[anetherond]

well honestly I don't know what to say, it looks like you're ignoring what everyone tells you anyway.

what do you mean? I did what you said with the ears, and fixed the shoulder. and I said I am not sure yet about the legs. Prehaps you just want too much...

 

[donut3.5]

I think the legs should be longer, the head maybe a little bit smaller. And remember when you adjust the height of the legs, adjust the height of the arms to accommodate the height change.
--donut3.5--

 

[TDR]

could you show a close-up of the ear please? I may be bitching about the ear too much, but it's most important to get them right.

 

[Xatoga]

Legs need to be longer, and the hooves should be larger and more imposing, tapering out as it goes down more.

 

[anetherond]

Here. And also note that I modeled and sculpted the character according to metzen original design of the Eredar. http://www.wowwiki.com/images/7/72/Eredar.jpg


Update: I looked at the Draenei anatomy pictures Werewulf sent me, and the legs seem to be right. I don't know, prehaps you should take a look http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17020&d=1195494605

 

[anetherond]

Bump.

If no one has anything more to say, I can conclude that everything is fine and I can start the final stage of the modeling?

 

[donut3.5]

The legs still seem weird.. I think its because in that model the legs are much more bent than in yours, but maybe I'm just not getting a good enough view.
--donut3.5--

 

[THE_END]

Yea the hooves have to be more gigantor as well

 

[TDR]

well I'll be damned, the legs are actually the right length :|. Well I can't blame you for that then. But I still thinks it looks pretty damn weird and funny with such small legs.

I'll post a picture soon with what I actually want to say about the ear.

 

[Dionesiist]

TDR, the only real problem I'd see about this dude is balance. With such small hooves, he'd just fall on each step.

 

[anetherond]

TDR, the only real problem I'd see about this dude is balance. With such small hooves, he'd just fall on each step.

Hooves aren't the problem. You have no idea how annoying it is to add length to the legs after you detailed them... The hooves, however, I only subdvided. So it isn't much work.

 

[Dionesiist]

As such, make them wider/bigger.

 

[TDR]

You have no idea how annoying it is to add length to the legs after you detailed them...

with the transpose tool it's not hard at all. It's really easy actually.

 

[anetherond]

with the transpose tool it's not hard at all. It's really easy actually.

In Zbrush? Never heard of it. I have done the hooves and changed the texture of the tail to look more scaly. The model is pretty much done now, only waiting for TDR to show me what he want.

 

[TDR]

how could you never hear of it, it's one of the many new tools in Zbrush 3, that was advertised quite a lot...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=p5zIoaVS7gA

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Either the head is too big, or the legs aren't fat enough (or they're not in a "ready" stance like most draenei have them), but the proportions are a bit creepy.

Great work overall though.

 

[anetherond]

how could you never hear of it, it's one of the many new tools in Zbrush 3, that was advertised quite a lot...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=p5zIoaVS7gA

I am using 3.1. Prehaps its called different there. Anyway, you have what you wanted to show me or can I start set up the shaders in Maya?

 

[anetherond]

I feared that this will happen… Blizzard followed after the "Shadow of Light" design of Kil'jaeden while I followed after Metzen's Original design (which is used in Wc3 as well…), and although the "Shadow of Light" design is much more unique, it doesn't even look like an Eredar. So there are two options, to use my current model for Kil'jaeden or to change it and use the old one for his guards (which I intended to create anyway). Here is Blizzard's model (Wow), Metzen's old design and "Shadow of light" design.

http://www.worldofraids.com/2008/ptr/24/npc/kiljaeden.jpg
http://www.wowwiki.com/images/7/72/Eredar.jpg
http://www.wowwiki.com/images/2/29/Kiljaedenallendilling.jpg

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

how could you never hear of it, it's one of the many new tools in Zbrush 3, that was advertised quite a lot...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=p5zIoaVS7gA

Holy shit, that's amazing.

 

[anetherond]

I am still here for those who wondered. And so is my little friend… Blizzard style!

http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kilblizzard4yf6.jpg

Few notes:
-The horns aren't done yet because I haven’t decided what texture they should have.
-The little jewel annoys me.
-Not final version

 

[Rui]

Nice work.
But what are those two things behind him? Also, isn't his skirt a bit too wide for him? He's pretty thin xD

 

[Dionesiist]

I believe them to be wings.

 

[anetherond]

Precise as always, Dio. I shall examine the skirt again to see if I can make it more fitting.
Edit: I have a new concept: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/wallpapers/wallpaper118.html

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

The bracers are huge...

 

[anetherond]

New palms.
http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kilblizzard5tr3.jpg
And no, the wrist armor is fine.

 

[Kimbo]

No, the wrist armour is not fine because it doesn't cover his wrist but his whole forearm and is as twice as thick as his arm. The pauldrons/shoulderpads are too large, when the arms are on his side they would have no support and fall apart. Get your perception on this worked on, for the moment its not physically realistic at all.

 

[TDR]

Man, unless those "wrist" guards are made out of balsa wood, they must weight at least like 80Kg each. He may be a muscular alien but damn, don't you think it'll slow him down considerably?
Also the model has an overall messy feel (due to ZBrush overkill, if you ask me). Look at the pauldrons, where that little skull is. That's a very messy area. I think you wanted to give the illusion of worn armor, but I don't feel that. And that amulet he's wearing, well sorry but looks pathetic, it's very badly modeled.
And that ear...well sorry that I forgot to show you how I think a good ear should look, but I'll show you now. I hate to give my work as an example, but it's the only thing I got right now. This is how I think a good ear should look like:

Look at it, it has VOLUME. That's what I was talking about. Your ear looks more like a messed up plane in which you dug ditches. And that perfectly sharp corner at the end and those strait outlines personally don't work at all imo.

And the area around the neck is also messy...the neck muscles are straight, running from the back of the ear to the upper part of the sternum. They don't bend so exaggerated like that.

I think you jumped in zbrush and detailing it way too early. I bet you didn't even set the topology correctly to mimic the muscle flow before you exported it to zbrush.

 

[anetherond]

I am remaking the wrist and the shoulders. I planned to do just the shoulder but whatever. Thank you for posting an exmaple, TDR, I will start working on the entire head as soon as I will done with the armor. The Skull on his neck looks pathatic becuase (as I mentioned before) I haven't finished it. Its not even the real mesh.
Thank you both for your advices and I will upload a new render soon.

 

[TDR]

The Skull on his neck looks pathatic becuase (as I mentioned before) I haven't finished it. Its not even the real mesh.

ups, sorry, must have missed that

 

[anetherond]

Update. New Shoulder.
http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shoulderus5.jpg
Edit: I did another render, better I believe. Didn't changed anything significant, just thought it looks nicer that way.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Look really cool and much, much better. Some parts don,t look very "uniform" or round, however. Though they are smooth.

 

[TDR]

oo I agree, that's nice

 

[Archian]

Ohh, Kil'jaeden
Nice work so far, looking forward to it's completion ^^

Keep up the good work

 

[Xatoga]

Are you going to change that skull in the corner? Because it's the only thing on there that doesnt look good. It's not fitting into that oval-y thing wrapped around it and it looks really bad against the rest of the armor.

 

[anetherond]

Are you going to change that skull in the corner? Because it's the only thing on there that doesnt look good. It's not fitting into that oval-y thing wrapped around it and it looks really bad against the rest of the armor.

Oh? What do you mean dosen't fit? Isn't it demonic enough? Perhaps I will make it more like the new concept after I am done with the rest of the significant details. Thank you for putting it in my mind.

 

[Xatoga]

It just doesn't look very good. I more detailed or at least better constructed skull would be better.

 

[anetherond]

Another version of Killy's head (According to the new concept, but not entirely). I tried to add it more volume as you instructed, TDR. I think this Killy is better than the previous ones. Though I am not sure about the neck muscles... An advice perhaps?

 

[Elfsilver Lord]

Actually looks like a demon now. XD

 

[anetherond]

Actually looks like a demon now. XD

That was blizzard's goal I Believe; to make Killy more demonic than the rest of the Eredars.

 

[TDR]

you should really work more on the lips. And the muscles that flow from the back of the nostrils don't stop on the cheekbones, they go all the way down circling the mouth.

 

[Darkholme]

I like it. The inside of the ear (right by the edge at the top) should recede a bit more though, it kinda bulges in the wrong direction(away from the head instead of towards).

And from what I saw the hooves and lower legs are still too small particularly compared to the other eredar/dranei. They're closer to how animal hooves are in real life, in deer. But deer aren't so bulky, and those hooves are too small in comparison to his body. they should be 1.5 to 2x the size they are in the last screenshot you showed them in.

 

[ZeroXVII]

wow its so nice.... i dun lyk d older one.. its like a mummy...

 

[HiTch]

cant wait to see it done..

 

[anetherond]

Oh, forgot to tell, I had pretty much done the model few weeks ago (Perhaps I need to teak few things and generate better normal maps but overall it is done.). I haven't began texturing him because I switched my project trailer's subject so he will not be included in it. However, I do intend to complete him since he appears in one of the cinematics but the trailer is more urgent right now.
Now I am working on another famous Character from warcraft lore (Much less complex than Killy), but I want to keep this one a surprise. Here is the final version of the model (for now, at least)
http://img124.imageshack.us/my.php?image=killyfinal2fa8.jpg
Thank you all for your support and advices!

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

I still think the legs are way too small.

His head and arms look huge, his body too, but he's standing on really small legs... the hooves are too thin as well.

+Rep anyway.