Kil'jaeden- Work in Progress

[anetherond]

So, I began to create the model of Kil'jaeden for the film-res trailer of my project. Note that this is only the basemesh (I may use it for other Draenei models in the future), I intending to import this to Zbrush for further sculpting and detailing. But until then, here is what I got so far.

 

[frostwhisper]

Give him a more evil, scar-looking face.

 

[anetherond]

This is only the bashmesh. He will be scary, I assure you.

 

[frostwhisper]

I am looking further to the next wips then. -_o

 

[THE_END]

I think I am as well
I hate the WC3 model of Kil'Jaeden, it's not as badass as I think he should be

 

[anetherond]

A very slight update, right from Zbrush. I didn’t even subdivide it yet because I want to keep it in this very simple stage as much as possible (the moment to subdivide will come eventually). Now back to Maya to create all these little spikes on his head…

 

[frostwhisper]

Lookin' good. I love the ears.

 

[FireEffect]

Forehead is a wee big eh?

 

[frostwhisper]

No, it's perfectly good. He's an Eredar after all.

 

[Dionesiist]

I really like it, good job.

 

[anetherond]

Thank you for the kind words. I believe it is time for a little update. I think I done the basemesh for the head and the body (only basemesh, still). It is very difficult to see because the color and the quality, but I added spikes to his head and one earring.
Suggestions will not only be appreciated, but necessary.

 

[wugiboy]

lookin good

legs look pretty small though

 

[frostwhisper]

I don't mind the legs (they could be a little fatter though).
Anyway the arms are a problem here. You need to make them more muscular and long, way more. Otherwise looking good!

 

[Dionesiist]

I don't really like the body, looks a bit weird... Try searching muscular men on Google, that's what Draenei/Eredar are actually (apart from the face and lower body.)

 

[modler2]

its rly nice but the legs arnt even, even X_X

 

[anetherond]

Alright, I added a little length to the hands and a little bit fat to the legs. I tried to clear to you that this is only the basemesh. Means, that there is not enough detail to add the muscles yet, nor it is necessary for the modeling process. And the fact that it looking weird at this moment is fine, I want to keep things as simple as possible at this moment.

 

[TDR]

when I saw the first pictures, with the head only, I said to myself "woha! there's someone who can actually model well on this site!". But when I saw the body I was like "fart..."...it's like the 2 things were made by 2 different people (I'm not insinuating anything). Not only are the proportions terrible, but the topology as well. This grid-like topology doesn't work well around the abdomen and arms. You have to add edge loops there to define muscle flow, 'else it will be a pain to get the right result when sculpting on it.
I don't like the ear either, it looks pretty messed up. I know ears are a pain to make, but getting it right is essential for making your character believable. Right now your ear doesn't have enough volume and the detail inside seems pretty random. I bet you tried to follow the human ear's shapes there, but you didn't get it right it would seem.

Also, Maya smells. HA!

 

[Dionesiist]

Woohoo, TDR has come to your world! XD

 

[anetherond]

The Basemesh with all the features are done, and so is the UVS (it went really quick). I decided not to post any WIP since people want to see final, perfect results, and not interested in the process of the making. So I will upload another update only after I am done with the sculpting. However, it doesn't mean I can't post things I did for fun and not for the model. So today I messed around with the torso in Zbrush and here are the results of my actions.

 

[TDR]

you know, posting WIP shots is not just to show people so they have something to drool at or to show how active you are. It's better for you, because you can receive constructive criticism and the end result will be better.

You have some nasty errors on this mesh due to inappropriate topology. Also you should study more anatomy (see the attached pics for more specific things). Do that on your next "just for fun" thing, it will help you improve.
Remember: even if it's just quick and for fun, that doesn't mean it has to be unfinished or lower quality.

I'd really like to see your base mesh, if you please.

 

[anetherond]

"Just for fun" means practice for me during having fun, so it is actually good what you do now. And you should remember that he is an eredar; his anatomy should be similar to the human but not exactly the same because he never meant to be human. I will not show you the basemesh since all the rest of the model is just features. If you want to examine the anatomy, what I have posted so far should give you an idea. And besides, it is a surprise

 

[frostwhisper]

The arms are thin, yes.
But I don't think these other little pointed out errors matter so much (as this is not a human, and shouldn't necessarily have the same anatomy as one).

 

[TDR]

errors in the mesh matter, they hurt the eye. But that also depends on your target audience. I mean for the folks around here and wc3c it's good, I bet they'll wet themselves when they'll see the final product. But if you were to show this somewhere like CGtalk, it would be pretty poor.

Also, don't try to reinvent the wheel. If human anatomy works so perfectly, why alter it in a non-logical way?

 

[anetherond]

I did as you recommended me and fixed the few problems. That’s enough fun for now; I intend to start the sculpting of the real model in the weekend. By the way TDR, can you show me some of your high res works? I would really like to see them, you give an impression of a very skilled and experienced modeler. I saw few works that were considered "not poor" on few large communities and even watched the process of making few of them and I can tell you that most artist stops paying attention to the Human Anatomy at a very early stage of the sculpting and modeling (most of them didn’t even learned much about it). It is good to imagine new forms and presentations so the model will look original and interesting.

 

[TDR]

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/showthread.php?p=473355#post473355

 

[SuPa-]

I did as you recommended me and fixed the few problems. That’s enough fun for now; I intend to start the sculpting of the real model in the weekend. By the way TDR, can you show me some of your high res works? I would really like to see them, you give an impression of a very skilled and experienced modeler. I saw few works that were considered "not poor" on few large communities and even watched the process of making few of them and I can tell you that most artist stops paying attention to the Human Anatomy at a very early stage of the sculpting and modeling (most of them didn’t even learned much about it). It is good to imagine new forms and presentations so the model will look original and interesting.

looks like a high detailed version of Illidan, not Kil'jaeden XD Maybe not bulky enough? Seems more like an aerobic body type

 

[anetherond]

This isn't the eredar, this is just a thing I made for practice. Kil'jaeden will look like Kil'jaeden, but you really can't tell only by looking at the torso.

 

[anetherond]

Update. Little few notes. First, I forgot to crease the edges for the torso so it may look like the legs and torso are connected funny (yes, this is the same torso from 'just for fun' with few little adjustments). It doesn't matter though, since there is a belt hiding it. Second, I forgot to turn the earring own when I rendered the head, but on second thought, it doesn't part of the body. Third, the face and torso are leathered and scaled, the legs are not yet. So far, the model is about 4,500,000 polys. As always, suggestions and comments will be welcomed.
Update: I don't know why, but the leg muscle seem much sharper in the image than in reality.

 

[frostwhisper]

Nose should be more pointy, arms- fatter.

 

[anetherond]

Fatter? are you sure? they seem fine to me.

 

[THE_END]

And he seems too short for some reason...

 

[TDR]

man, you just don't want to listen to me, do you...I told you that the proportions are awkward...Look at those legs how small they are...he looks like some sort of eredar midget. It's not like there's a proportion canon for eredars, because after all they're fictional, but it really bothers the eye and makes it look funny. Also keep an extra eye on the connection between the legs and the torso, it looks pretty messy.

The torso is coming along nicely, but again pay more attention to the shoulder joint: the pectorals end under the deltoids and the biceps under the pectorals. They don't all join in the same plane, like you did.

And the ears man...all staright and flat...I really don't know what to say anymore.

 

[FireEffect]

Well if your practicing "just for fun" then you are trying to get better. If you want to get better Listen to TDR he knows his stuff.

 

[anetherond]

I didn't understand what you want from the ears…

 

[TDR]

...I want them to look like ears, not like pieces of cardboard.

 

[anetherond]

What do you mean? they look like ears... I made the hole and everything.

 

[TDR]

no, they don't look like ears at all. Just a hole doesn't mean it's an ear! Your thing is flat, has no volume whatsoever and also has perfectly straight edges, which is very unnatural and inorganic.
Look how a bat ear looks, which is closest to what you have here:

Look how nice and curved it is. Look at the detail inside.
Here's a human ear, which resembles the part where the ear joins the head on your model:

Notice all the nice volumes and details. Your ear has almost no detail at all. It's like a flat piece of cardboard cut with a bad pair of scissors.
I know they're not easy to make, but it's really worth it. It'll boost up the quality of your model a lot.

 

[anetherond]

I didn't make the ear according to a human nor bat. http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Archimonde2.jpg
but i guess you are right...

 

[TDR]

eeek...well you can't be blamed for this then. That example is horrible, even if it's made by Blizzard...but that doesn't make it right. Check out how it looks in the new cinematic:

Also look at one of the official concepts:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/images/wallpapers/draenei/draenei-1600x.jpg
It's a clear step forward since that old model. Trust me, even the dude/lass who modeled that thing knows it's poop now .

 

[thisruoy]

Where did the hips go?

 

[frostwhisper]

Any progress?
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[anetherond]

Soon (more than you think)

 

[frostwhisper]

Glad to hear.
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[SuPa-]

You really need to get in the habit of making a whole mesh and then sending it to Zbrush instead of doing it bit by bit

 

[anetherond]

The mesh is complete, it was complete before I sent the entire model to Zbrush, I just hide it so you won't see it

 

[Deep Sea Kraken]

Why is his left leg roughly twice as thick as his right leg? His legs seem a little too short.

 

[anetherond]

I am still not sure what to do about the legs length, but I am certain that both legs are a mirror of each other since I used Symmetry when I sculpted them.

 

[anetherond]

Everything has been said… Feel free to give advices before the Displacement and Normal mapping part begin.

 

[SuPa-]

IDK, but his overall anatomy is just weird. Also, his legs seem kind've short

 

[TDR]

well honestly I don't know what to say, it looks like you're ignoring what everyone tells you anyway.