Katrana Prestor

[Snake Akuma]

She is awesome

 

[Carefree World]

Another character model has been added.

 

[tillinghast]

fix your custom texture appearing two times in the texture list

 

[Footman16]

fix your custom texture appearing two times in the texture list

Fixed

 

[tillinghast]

shouldn't you also mention that the icons use art from hearthstone?

File:Second Flame HS.jpg

Second Flame. Artwork by Anton Zemskov. https://blizzard.gamespress.com/Hearthstone#?tab=artwork-5

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File:Lady Katrana Prestor HS.jpg

Lady Katrana Prestor in Hearthstone. Artwork by James Ryman. https://blizzard.gamespress.com

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[BaiyuGalan]

I have been waiting for such a beautiful Katrana Prestor.

 

[deepstrasz]

"ok bro"

 

[Rommel]

More WoW characters in classic WC3 style! Awesome work)

 

[The Nightmare Book]

This world has enough heroes.

Like!

 

[Shar Dundred]

Impeccable timing, brother of 15 footmen.

 

[tillinghast]

I needed a Katrana Prestor model for an upcoming project and was surprised no one had made one yet

but wait! turns out there was already a katrina presto model posted a year ago! i guess you missed it, could've saved you the trouble of making it again

 

[Footman16]

but wait! turns out there was already a katrina presto model posted a year ago! i guess you missed it, could've saved you the trouble of making it again

I did miss that, but that one has no TC and doesn't look as good imho and is also Awaiting Update. It was no trouble; I enjoyed making it.

 

[Gnuoy]

Morph animation into Onyxia would be awesome.

 

[umbranwitch]

It’s never too late to stan this model of my favorite manipulative black dragon girl

 

[Separatista]

The icons don't resemble the model. If I remember correctly, it's forbidden to take screenshots of models, spells, and images from third parties because it constitutes plagiarism, and I don't see that you have permission to use those images to create the icons. As a community administrator, you should be the first to respect the site's rules. If I'm wrong, please provide a link that states otherwise.

 

[Snake Akuma]

The icons don't resemble the model. If I remember correctly, it's forbidden to take screenshots of models, spells, and images from third parties because it constitutes plagiarism, and I don't see that you have permission to use those images to create the icons. As a community administrator, you should be the first to respect the site's rules. If I'm wrong, please provide a link that states otherwise.

I mean the icons are not posted separately in a different bundle nor mentioned as assets to get their download score increased too. It's included in the model bundle and whoever needs this model can get icons as well.

It just comes with the model

 

[Footman16]

The icons are literally from official blizzard artwork. And Blizzard's ToC allows the use of works from other blizzard material across games, for example using HotS assets in Warcraft 3.

 

[Separatista]

I mean the icons are not posted separately in a different bundle nor mentioned as assets to get their download score increased too. It's included in the model bundle and whoever needs this model can get icons as well.

It just comes with the model

Nobody cares about increasing downloads; that's not the point of uploads. And no, taking screenshots of other people's models, spells, or illustrations—something that takes less than a second—is not allowed. It's in the rules, unless they've already been changed.

The icons are literally from official blizzard artwork. And Blizzard's ToC allows the use of works from other blizzard material across games, for example using HotS assets in Warcraft 3.

The Warcraft wiki hosted on wiki.gg is not an official Blizzard Entertainment website. It is a community site run by fans and maintained by volunteers with the company's permission to discuss and provide information on topics related to the Warcraft universe. The illustration used for the icon is not official Blizzard artwork; it is fan art, by user "Anton Zemskov".

 

[Footman16]

The Warcraft wiki hosted on wiki.gg is not an official Blizzard Entertainment website. It is a community site run by fans and maintained by volunteers with the company's permission to discuss and provide information on topics related to the Warcraft universe. The illustration used for the icon is not official Blizzard artwork; it is fan art, by user "Anton Zemskov".

Fair enough, this isn't the icon section, but if it upsets you this much I can remove them and people can make their own.

EDIT: Nevermind, they're from Heathstone not "fan art" another Blizzard game and I've credited the original artists. I don't see an issue here, this isn't an icon upload, it's a model upload with icons for those who want them. Also I'm aware Warcraft wiki is not an official Blizzard website, however the content on it in most cases is official Blizzard work such as in this case. In future, you should take the two seconds it takes to check these things, thanks.

 

[Gnuoy]

On one hand I'm glad Sep is bringing attention to potential plagiarism but on the other hand I think there is no plagiarism here. I think "everyone" knows the icon is not Footman16's original work. The icons were just added for convenience because players normally just make their own "screenshot icons" to give players a better experience, rather than some random placeholder icon. The time put into this discussion should instead be put into finding an artist that will make a custom icon for this and upload it to Hive for everyone to use fairly.

As far as the technical rule, if it's from another Blizz game. Then it is probably fine - not plagiarism. I think the icon should totally remain as part of the model pack. But to Sep's point, I think the source of the icon should be noted as a Hearthstone asset. But the alternative to having this icon included in the model pack is having no icons. This would leave mappers and thus players with either completely incorrect icons, which lower the quality of the experience for players, or requiring each mapper to make their own screenshot icons. Sep is "putting the cart before the horse" here imo. The end goal is making maps for players to enjoy.

 

[Separatista]

Fair enough, this isn't the icon section, but if it upsets you this much I can remove them and people can make their own.

EDIT: Nevermind, they're from Heathstone not "fan art" another Blizzard game and I've credited the original artists. I don't see an issue here, this isn't an icon upload, it's a model upload with icons for those who want them. Also I'm aware Warcraft wiki is not an official Blizzard website, however the content on it in most cases is official Blizzard work such as in this case. In future, you should take the two seconds it takes to check these things, thanks.

These are fan art by the user because the image is credited, and if it were from Blizzard, there wouldn't be proper attribution, so I would assume you support plagiarism from other sites. Furthermore, there's no permission to use the image from the original author who shared the illustration; you simply took it and screenshotted it. According to the site rules, the model should be removed because of the icon. If you take your role as a moderator seriously, you should know the site rules. We can't assume the rules work one day and not the next. I echo your words: you should take two seconds to check things. Thank you.

 

[General Frank]

These are fan art by the user because the image is credited, and if it were from Blizzard, there wouldn't be proper attribution, so I would assume you support plagiarism from other sites. Furthermore, there's no permission to use the image from the original author who shared the illustration; you simply took it and screenshotted it. According to the site rules, the model should be removed because of the icon. If you take your role as a moderator seriously, you should know the site rules. We can't assume the rules work one day and not the next. I echo your words: you should take two seconds to check things. Thank you.

It's from an icon from Blizzard game used in another Blizzard game. It's not fan art.

 

[Footman16]

These are fan art by the user because the image is credited, and if it were from Blizzard, there wouldn't be proper attribution, so I would assume you support plagiarism from other sites.

That is just not true, blizzard artworks usually credit the original artist somewhere either on the artists on portfolio or with a signature on larger pieces. Who do you think draws the blizzard art?

Furthermore, there's no permission to use the image from the original author who shared the illustration; you simply took it and screenshotted it.

And has been established that is allowed by Blizzard.

According to the site rules, the model should be removed because of the icon.

What rule says the model should be removed and not just the offending icon? Can you point that out to me please.

If you take your role as a moderator seriously, you should know the site rules. We can't assume the rules work one day and not the next. I echo your words: you should take two seconds to check things. Thank you.

I do know the site rules, I took two pieces of art from the Blizzard game Hearthstone and made two icons out of them which is a-ok. This isn't an icon bundle. I echo you echoing my words: you should take two seconds to check things. Thank you.

As far as the technical rule, if it's from another Blizz game. Then it is probably fine - not plagiarism. I think the icon should totally remain as part of the model pack. But to Sep's point, I think the source of the icon should be noted as a Hearthstone asset.

Both artists were from the start and still are credited in the description

 

[Separatista]

That is just not true, blizzard artworks usually credit the original artist somewhere either on the artists on portfolio or with a signature on larger pieces. Who do you think draws the blizzard art?

And has been established that is allowed by Blizzard.

What rule says the model should be removed and not just the offending icon? Can you point that out to me please.

I do know the site rules, I took two pieces of art from the Blizzard game Hearthstone and made two icons out of them which is a-ok. This isn't an icon bundle. I echo you echoing my words: you should take two seconds to check things. Thank you.


Both artists were from the start and still are credited in the description

1. The official illustrations and information are available on their official website. There you can see what was shared and the authors involved.

2. Blizzard allows sharing topics related to Warcraft, so on the page we can see discussions, information, and images that the community shares, but you didn't ask for permission to use an image that you didn't create.

3. Of course you can see it in detail here: Resource Submission Rules (Models, skins, icons, spells & systems)

4. It seems you don't know the rules very well; indeed, we agree that you should take two seconds to check things.
Credit and permission to use are two different things.

 

[Footman16]

We don't need to ask Blizzard for permission, this has been established. The artwork is from Blizzard as you have now agreed.

= there is no issue.

 

[Separatista]

So there's no need to give credit to "Anton Zemskov" because I don't believe it; it's a re-upload of work by the Hearthstone developers. Thanks for encouraging plagiarism.

 

[Footman16]

It would be plagiarism if I pretended I made the artwork... which I haven't at any point done as far as I'm aware.

I feel like you have some kind of chip on your shoulder against me and are looking for any excuse to attack or criticse. I'm definitely not above criticism or making mistakes but in this instance I think you're getting yourself worked up and spending a lot of energy on something which isn't there.

 

[General Frank]

So there's no need to give credit to "Anton Zemskov" because I don't believe it; it's a re-upload of work by the Hearthstone developers. Thanks for encouraging plagiarism.

For your own sake, just stop already.
You are making an elephant out of a fly AND you look foolish doing so.

 

[Gnuoy]

So there's no need to give credit to "Anton Zemskov" ...

No. Because I think Anton might be plagiarizing from Blizzard. I think you might be confused on that point. To be clear, Blizzard is the original author of the image used in the icon from the Hearthstone game.

 

[Footman16]

No. Because I think Anton might be plagiarizing from Blizzard. I think you might be confused on that point. To be clear, Blizzard is the original author of the image used in the icon from the Hearthstone game.

Anton Zemskov is an artist who works or has worked for Blizzard. This piece was produced for Blizzard by Anton, even when doing work for a company artists are allowed to add their own signature and receive credit for it. Look at the amount of artwork Samwise Didier and Chris Metzan made for Blizzard for which they are fully acknowledged and credited as the artist as an example.

As shown here: https://antonz.artstation.com/

Anton Zemskov works or has worked for Blizzard and that is when he produced these works. So sure, maybe I should've credited it as "Anton Zemskov (Blizzard Entertainment)" but tbh... I don't think it makes that much of a difference or is worth getting as upset about it as Separatista has.

 

[Separatista]

For your own sake, just stop already.
You are making an elephant out of a fly AND you look foolish doing so.

For my own good? Is that a threat? You should choose your words carefully. Being a moderator who can ban people because it feeds their ego could cost you your job.

No. Because I think Anton might be plagiarizing from Blizzard. I think you might be confused on that point. To be clear, Blizzard is the original author of the image used in the icon from the Hearthstone game.

That's what I said. Anton Zemskov is a freelance artist specializing in fantasy illustrations. He has created numerous official illustrations for Blizzard games like Hearthstone and previously for the World of Warcraft Trading Card Game. Blizzard commissioned him to create illustrations for Hearthstone games. He would deliver the work and receive payment for that project. Upon delivery and payment, he lost the freedom to use the illustrations, and the absolute owner became Blizzard Entertainment, according to the company's contracts. Blizzard credits everyone who works on a project for the company; you can see this on their official website. Wiki.gg is a fan-created website where discussions take place, information is shared, etc. The news was indeed shared there that Zemskov had worked on the project, but this doesn't make him the owner of the image after it's released. Metzen, Gary, and others don't become owners, even if they've worked for the company and one of its franchises. They don't have the freedom to use images, game concepts, or applications; they only have what their contract allows.

 

[Footman16]

For my own good? Is that a threat? You should choose your words carefully. Being a moderator who can ban people because it feeds their ego could cost you your job.

Frank is not a moderator.

That's what I said. Anton Zemskov is a freelance artist specializing in fantasy illustrations. He has created numerous official illustrations for Blizzard games like Hearthstone and previously for the World of Warcraft Trading Card Game. Blizzard commissioned him to create illustrations for Hearthstone games. He would deliver the work and receive payment for that project. Upon delivery and payment, he lost the freedom to use the illustrations, and the absolute owner became Blizzard Entertainment, according to the company's contracts. Blizzard credits everyone who works on a project for the company; you can see this on their official website. Wiki.gg is a fan-created website where discussions take place, information is shared, etc. The news was indeed shared there that Zemskov had worked on the project, but this doesn't make him the owner of the image after it's released. Metzen, Gary, and others don't become owners, even if they've worked for the company and one of its franchises. They don't have the freedom to use images, game concepts, or applications; they only have what their contract allows.

I love how you've actually pivoted to agreeing whilst still acting like you're right and not wrong.

Yes, Anton made the art so he is the original creator and I even linked to where I got the art from. And as stated before Blizzard allows the use of material from other games across them. So there was no issue, I never claimed I made the art I stated who made the art and linked where I got it from and Blizzard is a-ok with this type of thing. So at this point, I've got to ask what your problem is?

 

[deepstrasz]

I've got to ask what your problem is?

I feel we all wasted enough time being nice trying to find proper arguments for a bot to comprehend.

 

[Snake Akuma]

Never seen such dramatic crying user over a 64×64 picture on HIVE tbh

 

[Separatista]

Frank is not a moderator.

I love how you've actually pivoted to agreeing whilst still acting like you're right and not wrong.

Yes, Anton made the art so he is the original creator and I even linked to where I got the art from. And as stated before Blizzard allows the use of material from other games across them. So there was no issue, I never claimed I made the art I stated who made the art and linked where I got it from and Blizzard is a-ok with this type of thing. So at this point, I've got to ask what your problem is?

You're right, he did the design. He's credited as the author. And the image belongs to Blizzard. I never said you made the image; I said you don't have the author's permission to use their art, that you'd be encouraging plagiarism. But since the image belongs to "Blizzard Entertainment" and the company allows the use of resources, there's no problem in that regard. However, we still have the main issue: using screenshots to create icons isn't allowed according to the site rules. If an icon is required for a model, a request must be made in the appropriate forums. The model will be marked as pending or deficient if a staff member reviews it again and the changes requested by the internal rules haven't been made; the model could be removed. Well, I'm not a staff member, so I don't care; I'm just researching different issues and seeing how they're handled.

 

[Footman16]

Where are you getting this from? Screenshot icons are allowed. But also, this isn't the icon section. This is a model bundle with an attached icon.

 

[deepstrasz]

so I don't care

Please prove this.

 

[deepstrasz]

Please crawl back to the troll cave you came from.

Don't discriminate trolls please. They fought for the Horde in two wars, not as keyboard warriors!

 

[General Frank]

Don't discriminate trolls please. They fought for the Horde in two wars, not as keyboard warriors!

Right. I will not insult trolls.

 

[Separatista]

Please prove this.

UNDER WHAT METHOD?