Judgement Strike [Paladon]

[Moderator]

23:15, 2nd Jun 2009
hvo-busterkomo:
The scripting was pretty good, and the effect was nice, too. My only complaints are the ones I posted earlier today (see my post), before I was able to moderate this.

 

[Paladon]

My first Jass/vJass spell.
I hope it works not only for me.

Enjoy.

 

[Just_Spectating]

so its like a toss spell?

sweet! but i suppose i need JNG for it?

 

[Dynasti]

Gz Pally

 

[Adolfukin]

is this works in windows vhista or dota?

 

[Paladon]

Since:
"Category: vJASS"

you need jngp.

 

[Kingz]

Wow from GUI to vJASS directly....
Anyway i am sure everyone is gonna miss you GUI spells but i have nothing against JASS...
Again a nice idea and great gfx...
Maybe adding more documentation in the future?

[offtopic]
Zog it i was so lazy, i could have learned JASS myself by now if i wasn't just sooooo lazy...

 

[Paladon]

I can update it with a further documentation sometime soon.

My future spells may include a vJass and a GUI version.

 

[Kingz]

Oh yeah i forgot the rating...
What can i say, did at least 1 of your spell got a rating below 5?
I see no point to break the chain so 5/5 from me +rep.

[offtopic]
I know basics about structs,scopes,private functions and so on, i wanted to learn how to implement a parabola function in my JASS spell and now i have a good example how to.
You can expect my JASS spell for 1-2 weeks depending on the school and my free time.
Best of luck on your challenge and your future spells^^

 

[Adolfukin]

where can i download it?

 

[Paladon]

Here.

 

[Jack_Sparrow93]

Impressive as always! But pllz, make them in GUI to

 

[Kingprice]

Wow this spell is really amazing. I really like all your spells
Goos job 5/5

 

[Rmx]

Well what can i say u Trator ........ u are now Vjass and left GUI OMG !

Anyway i'll rate this spell 5/5 very very good but plz consider GUI again

Ohhh i forgot and +++REP

 

[Asgard_Ragna]

Mhh i would really like to test this spell...unfortunately it doesn`t seem to work for me (Yes, I have Jngp)

 

[nerovesper]

This is nice. Even if its Jass your still tne GUI and MUI. Remember that?

The god and the master... LOL! xD

 

[Dark_Dragon]

hmm really impressive for first vJass spell. I must say that some parts of code are indeed fast (using always one timer event if there are more casts) thats always my stile of coding and i like it. Again its really awesome for first (jass and vjass spell). I think you now understand how vJass is much easier then jass to learn and thats what i was always talking about. I also wish you best of luck to learn how to properly code in vJass using structs (as OOP), making fully leakless code, improve efficiency as such, ofc that will come with time your to good for beginner and i respect that.

Ill rate this 5/5 and +rep!
~Dark Dragon

 

[Palaslayer]

traitor >.<

no not rly, but sad that you moved to jass now ^^

gj anyway

 

[Paladon]

Thank you all.

@Rmx, Pala, Jack:
I am thinking about adding a GUI and a vJass version to all my future spells.
You are free to choose then

Asgard, try to open the map in your JassNewGen Editor and instantly hit the test button without opening any trigger/object editor. It may work then.

This is nice. Even if its Jass your still tne GUI and MUI. Remember that?

The god and the master... LOL! xD

nero, i won't forget that

 

[Dynasti]

Well Paladon it was nice helping you out on your first vJass spell. ( wonder what it would be like if someone didn't help you. )

Well continue on your great work.

 

[Paladon]

Well Paladon it was nice helping you out on your first vJass spell. ( wonder what it would be like if someone didn't help you. )

You know how it was.
Just replace the structs with a gamecache.

But thank you for explaining me their usage.

 

[Dynasti]

no problem

 

[aaron]

u ppl really overrate paladon spells, everytime i see a spell made by paladon everyone gives it a 5/5 just because its from paladon i bet atleast 50% of those comments are from ppl who didnt even dl the spell lol, but i must admit paladon is the Best spell maker but really overrated.

 

[Dynasti]

Meh, he is not the best. But he is pretty good ( with ideas )

 

[Asgard_Ragna]

u ppl really overrate paladon spells, everytime i see a spell made by paladon everyone gives it a 5/5 just because its from paladon i bet atleast 50% of those comments are from ppl who didnt even dl the spell lol, but i must admit paladon is the Best spell maker but really overrated.

I don't get that sentence, if he is the best, why is he overrated? If someone (in your eyes) is the best in smth he deservs an A+.

Edit: Thx Paladon, it worked now. Great Spell and the autocast works pretty fine. Indeed i would like the target to slide a bit, so 4.8/5 from me
(Overall this equals a rating of 5 of course)

 

[Paladon]

i bet atleast 50% of those comments are from ppl who didnt even dl the spell lol,

Then i wonder how this spell got already 76 downloads.

 

[aaron]

probably from ppl who didnt comment lol

 

[baassee]

probably from ppl who didnt comment lol

just stop whine and just accept it.

Paladon knows his stuff and not just painting icons

 

[PurplePoot]

It was decent, but had some problems. A few I noticed:

• (minor) why bother initializing RectMinX/RectMaxX/(etc) when you set them again anyways?
• Your AoE detection is not particularly well done - it doesn't take collision into account.
• Why do you spam static methods without any point? (Just a taste thing)
• Check if their life is >0, not >.405 (well, doesn't make a difference really, but still).
• Another taste thing, not tends to be more readable than ==false.
• You should really be using a create() method instead of GetValues.
• You don't need to null globals.
• What's with the badly inlined TriggerRegisterAnyUnitEventBJ? Just use said function.
• Consider stunning the unit rather than pausing them - or at least make a boolean option. While this might conflict with dispel in some maps, it could be handy in others.
• Doesn't take terrain height into account.
• Why do you inline some constants like bj_RADTODEG and bj_DEGTORAD?
• You needlessly convert to degrees then back to radians.
• You don't need to null your trigger.
• You don't seem to take flying/hover units into account for the arc.

 

[pippo]

Rated 5/5...pls make it in gui pls

 

[Malcous]

Nice spell 5/5

 

[PurplePoot]

Paladon, is it really worth doing all your spells in GUI?

The entire point of learning Jass, after all, is so you can harness its more powerful [or less pathetic] features, and to get away from the horror that is GUI?

 

[Dynasti]

Well Poot is right, continue with vJass and Jass instead of bouncing back and forth between JASS and GUI.

 

[Paladon]

As you can see, i won't leave Jass.

bouncing back and forth between JASS and GUI

What?

• I am just going to include a GUI version sometimes since a couple of users in fact doesn't use Jass.
• I am getting 2-3 PMs a week from users who just say "Thank you for making GUI spells".
• I will stay with Jass and vJass, or where is the current problem?

 

[Kingz]

@Dynasti, Purple Poot
I don't see how can you have influence on someone's other opinion.
Paladon's decision should be his and not encouraged by others.
He is free to make GUI spells even if he knows JASS.
I don't see the problem here, only two user's telling the other to decide between GUI and JASS where there shouldn't be a choice.
I think JASS is efficent but less user friendly so by making JASS spells without GUI how do you expect newbies to learn? By strugling through tutorials and hundred of lines of codes?
This is my view, it isn't suposed to hurt somebody or make someone feel better it's my opinion and it stays like that.

 

[Paladon]

I know, especially since i tried to make something in Jass earnestly, that GUI sucks.
But as a lot of people know, i am just doing this for the users.
90% of my submitted spells were requests, thats one fact.
The other fact is, and i admit it, that i liked GUI before.

Well, spells which i've done without requests:
Judgement Strike (first submitted Jass/vJass spell, for a challenge)
Rockfall (Spells and Systems Mini Contest #17)
My Nature Pack, which is, honestly, bad (partially for the Spells and Systems Mini Contest #16)

3 spells out of 17.

 

[pippo]

Damn i can't copy this in my map...where's the error?

 

[pippo]

It gives me 141 errors :/

 

[Paladon]

1) Do not double post.
2) You need JassNewGen to get it work (enable JassHelper etc.).

 

[Rmx]

Well that is the problem with JASS if some visitor wants to download a spell and copy it and don't know shit about Trigers he will have trouble knowing what JNPG ( Jass new gen Pack ).

Stick to GUI Paladon plzzzz.
Anyway the spells u made in GUI i think they are way more efficient ( duhhh can't argue that there is alot enemys *JASSers* )
And also how can u leave such big history in GUI u made the Best systems ever !!!!!
and just leave in a flash

Anyway that's up to u ofc , and GUI sexy

 

[Dynasti]

[OFFTOPICNESS!]

GUI sexy

Not.


Here is the order of efficiency:
vJass
Jass
something
something
something
something
GUI

 

[TheBlooddancer]

Gui is made by blizzard to simplify JASS, or rather, use jass in a easier way.
Jass is the base coding language in wc3
vJass is a crack to that, that allows more stuff to happen.

Meh.
As you see Dynasti is correct, but everone can suit their tastes.

[Back on topic pl0x? Go whine in a thread]

 

[Palaslayer]

the order of user friendlyness:
GUI
...
...
...
1000000x...
JASS
vJASS

stop sucking about that allday GUI JASS question
jassers seem to think they are something better everytime, thats why i do not like it

 

[PurplePoot]

What I mean to say, Paladon, is why bother making everything in Jass/vJass if you:

• Limit yourself to GUI's restrictions.
• Have to do them in GUI anyways.

Also, I really don't see why GUI only users find it so hard to implement Jass spells in their map. It isn't more than copy and paste and changing a few numbers which are commented enough for anyone to understand. Perhaps we need a tutorial, hmm...

But quite frankly, if someone doesn't "know shit about triggers" as Rmx put it, they are incapable of making a proper map with or without downloaded spells.

In general, I would suggest you do your spells in vJass, but if someone requests a spell and they want it GUI'd, there's no harm using GUI (assuming you are willing to put up with it, which you seem to be).

Kingz, yes, I do expect newbies to learn through experience and tutorials, and not through sifting through hundreds of lines of code - that won't help them.

Also, GUI is far less userfriendly if you know Jass (though it obviously is more userfriendly if you don't know Jass).

--

I don't want this into another GUI vs Jass debate where all I do is sit around dismantling strawmen (which is rather boring), so in the future in this thread I won't be referencing any GUI vs Jass stuff. You guys are welcome to continue if you want, but I suggest you don't take it seriously.

 

[Paladon]

What I mean to say, Paladon, is why bother making everything in Jass/vJass if you:

• Limit yourself to GUI's restrictions.
• Have to do them in GUI anyways.

Uhm, this is Jass/vJass isn't it?
The GUI spells are old, the Jass one is new.
What makes you thinking that am i limiting myself to GUI?

 

[PurplePoot]

Uhm, this is Jass/vJass isn't it?
The GUI spells are old, the Jass one is new.
What makes you thinking that am i limiting myself to GUI?

If you are recreating all the spells in/from GUI, they have to be doable in GUI.

 

[TheBlooddancer]

What Poot means is, that aslong as you create 'GUI' spells in Jass/vJass, its of no need, unless it functions way better.

You should make your new spells in the one you prefer, instead of recreating your old ones.

 

[howl2000]

I downloaded your spell and the map wouldn't load. I had to disable the PGSystem in your map for a game to start. What a shame too it looked like testing would have been more fun. Anyways good skill. If anyone else has problems just disable the PGsystem trigger before you test the map.

I'm running Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne patch version 1.23.

 

[Paladon]

Weird :/