Harbor Island 2.05

[Paillan]

while land looks good, water looks kind of empty. I know you want to make the map as navigable as possible, but still.
Proper review when I am on PC.

 

[Nihilism_Is_Death]

while land looks good, water looks kind of empty. I know you want to make the map as navigable as possible, but still.
Proper review when I am on PC.

I thought about what you said, your right I do need more water aesthetics so I added some new water features to check out if you want.

 

[trebla ratilla]

nice melee map. Keep it up and GOOD JOB

here's what your looking for ( if you really love it ) : Water model - Wc3C.net

-i think you should change\reskin the heroes\building\etc.. ( because it is an altered melee - my opinion )
-Its better to add a multiboard\leaderboard
here's the example by Theeffi : [youtube=
[SIZE=6]Theef's Warcraft 3 World Editor Tutorial #16 - Multiboards (Team resources) [/SIZE]
]

[/youtube]

 

[deepstrasz]

1. Hmm... I suggest you create custom items which are dropped by mobs; you could also create custom units be they neutral and/or for the races. The cheese could be a drop instead of something every player has at the beginning of the game. Summoned Kobolds are permanent
2. You could even fill the Mercenary Camp with interesting units.
3. Or the best thing about this map is to just turn it into normal melee. The layout is pretty nifty.
4. Attack ships don't really serve a purpose since even if you can stack an important number because of the no food requirement, there is no actual place for them to engage land units (other than on shallow water and cliff edges) and especially buildings.
5. The AI does not know how to break the rock chunks Just saying this is not a map for AI. The idea with the chunks is good; I'm not sure if they block vision as that would be even better.
6. It's not technically melee symmetrical but it works in 4v4 very well. I'm referring to the fact that some players have the rock chunks as protection and they're also near a fountain; of course, they have no near mine to expand.
7. The murlocs on the south "island" are facing the south instead of north. Green camps made of kobolds are facing the rocks instead of the road/open plain (intended?).

All in all, I'd hastily approve this as melee but as an Altered Melee, this requires much more work and thought.

 

[Nihilism_Is_Death]

1. Hmm... I suggest you create custom items which are dropped by mobs; you could also create custom units be they neutral and/or for the races. The cheese could be a drop instead of something every player has at the beginning of the game. Summoned Kobolds are permanent
2. You could even fill the Mercenary Camp with interesting units.
3. Or the best thing about this map is to just turn it into normal melee. The layout is pretty nifty.
4. Attack ships don't really serve a purpose since even if you can stack an important number because of the no food requirement, there is no actual place for them to engage land units (other than on shallow water and cliff edges) and especially buildings.
5. The AI does not know how to break the rock chunks Just saying this is not a map for AI. The idea with the chunks is good; I'm not sure if they block vision as that would be even better.
6. It's not technically melee symmetrical but it works in 4v4 very well. I'm referring to the fact that some players have the rock chunks as protection and they're also near a fountain; of course, they have no near mine to expand.
7. The murlocs on the south "island" are facing the south instead of north. Green camps made of kobolds are facing the rocks instead of the road/open plain (intended?).

All in all, I'd hastily approve this as melee but as an Altered Melee, this requires much more work and thought.

My goal for the map was for it to have boats added into the regular melee mix. I didn't want to change anything else as far as melee maps go.
I just listed it as altered melee because of the boats and the... cheese. My only goal was a lightly altered melee as I love regular melee. The permanent kobolds were intended for lolz

3: Thanks
4: The attack ships are only anti air to counter air abuse from the waters. They cannot target land units.
5: The rock chunks are just for the 4 players that start in the middle so you cant cheese rush your opponent at the start. Also the rocks do block vision which is cool.
6: Yeah its just for 4v4. Also I wanted the map to be limited on expos so it can be a low income game.
7. The kobolds were intended, they're analogous to miners, the murlocs were not lol

 

[deepstrasz]

Overall, too few changes for an Altered Melee map.

Set to Substandard.

 

[Nihilism_Is_Death]

Overall, too few changes for an Altered Melee map.

Set to Substandard.

I don't see how after explaining what my goals were for this map you could give it a 2 star substandard rating. I explicitly explained it's an altered melee because of added naval units and the extra item at the start. I specifically wanted this to be a lightly altered melee map. It's not classified as a melee map because of these added changes to regular melee. I listed it under altered melee and regular melee because it's lightly altered, as intended. I don't think this map deserves a substandard rating. The map is original and not a copy. The map was designed for naval units. The reason why I passionately disagree with you is because I put a lot of work into this map making it what I envisioned. While I know maps are not reviewed only by author goals but design as well, I hope you can review my map now knowing what I wanted to achieve. I think it shouldn't be compared to a heavily altered melee map as that was not my intention.

 

[deepstrasz]

it's lightly altered

Exactly the point. Hence, why it is not really quality for the Altered Melee genre. A few modifications don't really show you worked on it that much either.

I put a lot of work into this map making it what I envisioned.

I guess, the work is basically seen in the terrain/map layout which is why I suggested this map to be melee.

I am sorry. This is how I see things. @Paillan could give his opinion. Maybe he sees things differently. If not, try contacting the staff: https://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/staff-contact.692/

 

[Paillan]

I think the same say you do... this map has potential though, maybe you should add more water so that navies are much more important.

 

[Nihilism_Is_Death]

I think the same say you do... this map has potential though, maybe you should add more water so that navies are much more important.

Well this was intended to be a melee map with transport ships and frigates. Not a completely altered melee map with custom races, items, creeps, etc. What do I have to remove to make it melee? Can I at least keep the transport ship.

 

[Paillan]

Well this was intended to be a melee map with transport ships and frigates. Not a completely altered melee map with custom races, items, creeps, etc. What do I have to remove to make it melee? Can I at least keep the transport ship.

Remove Frigate, rock chucks (cause of AI stupidity) and the custom items if you did add them.

 

[deepstrasz]

rock chucks

I disagree. The map does not necessarily have to be played with/against AI. The rocks make the design better.

What do I have to remove to make it melee?

Reset all the object data.

 

[Nihilism_Is_Death]

I disagree. The map does not necessarily have to be played with/against AI. The rocks make the design better.

Reset all the object data.

Alright, I'll do that as well as modifying the tiles/doodads/elevation for each quadrant to diversify them

 

[Nihilism_Is_Death]

I disagree. The map does not necessarily have to be played with/against AI. The rocks make the design better.

Reset all the object data.

Hey I've been making a lot of significant style changes to the map over the last few days. Is it fine to delete this resource and re-upload it with a different map name after I complete it? The updated version will be visually superior.

 

[deepstrasz]

Hey I've been making a lot of significant style changes to the map over the last few days. Is it fine to delete this resource and re-upload it with a different map name after I complete it? The updated version will be visually superior.

Why not just edit this one for a rereview?

 

[Nihilism_Is_Death]

Why not just edit this one for a rereview?

Behold, the changes are done
I added around 12 hours extra into the map

 

[deepstrasz]

Behold, the changes are done

Approved.

 

[Oraien]

Beautiful design