GUI and JASS

[Mrblackmystery]

Hello,

I am fairly interested in what's the difference between JASS and GUI.
What I have understood is that JASS never leeks, it simply does, or doesn't. Maybe I'm wrong but what do I know, that's why I'm asking you!

I apologise if there already is a thread like this one I just couldn't be arsed to look through all posts.

 

[chilla_killa]

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...als-280/beginning-jass-tutorial-series-30765/

 

[MortAr]

GUI is JASS, but it has graphic-user-interface, while on the other hand, JASS doesn't, thus you have to type everything.

GUI code is converted into JASS when your map loads or uses any of its GUI scripts/triggers.

In short, JASS is the programming language and GUI is the environment in which you can easily create things you want.

 

[Mrblackmystery]

GUI is JASS, but it has graphic-user-interface, while on the other hand, JASS doesn't, thus you have to type everything.

GUI code is converted into JASS when your map loads or uses any of its GUI scripts/triggers.

In short, JASS is the programming language and GUI is the environment in which you can easily create things you want.

So, like.. either is better/easier to use than the other?

 

[MortAr]

Of course, JASS is a lot harder than GUI..
But people tend to say otherwise.. for me, GUI is much easier, since I don't have to remember a thousand of lines of code...

 

[PurgeandFire]

JASS is harder than GUI at first. But JASS allows for more possibilities than GUI. It is really up to the user, but generally JASSing is more direct and can improve the efficiency of your code, so it is worth learning.

Otherwise, you can stick with GUI, it is fine too.

 

[Mrblackmystery]

I see, I will reflect upon this.

 

[Mooglefrooglian]

JASS is so much quicker to write and is easier once you actually learn it.

 

[PurplePoot]

JASS is definitely harder to learn but much easier to use once learned (also better etcetc).

 

[Matthewop]

JASS is definitely harder to learn but much easier to use once learned---- totally agree!!

 

[Mrblackmystery]

But really, what is the easiest way to learn it? Because I want to learn I just don't know where to start. Can I maybe convert normal GUI to text so that I can learn how to create easy initializations?

 

[PurplePoot]

But really, what is the easiest way to learn it? Because I want to learn I just don't know where to start. Can I maybe convert normal GUI to text so that I can learn how to create easy initializations?

Write stuff in JASS and have someone look at it.

Converting is a good start but the converted code is really awful and makes lots of really stupid mistakes.

For example, a condition function is converted to:

function mycond takes nothing returns boolean
    if (the conditions) then
        return true
    endif
    return false
endfunction

Whereas it obviously makes more sense to:

function mycond takes nothing returns boolean
    return (the conditions)
endfunction

 

[Mrblackmystery]

Write stuff in JASS and have someone look at it.

Converting is a good start but the converted code is really awful and makes lots of really stupid mistakes.

For example, a condition function is converted to:

function mycond takes nothing returns boolean
    if (the conditions) then
        return true
    endif
    return false
endfunction

Whereas it obviously makes more sense to:

function mycond takes nothing returns boolean
    return (the conditions)
endfunction

I see, so converted codes are like GUI's anyways cause they're written in the same way?

 

[PurplePoot]

GUI is actually just a graphical interface stuck on top of JASS--the game runs JASS, GUI is just an easy way to write it. It also happens to produce bad JASS and only give access to a subset of the language, as well as being much more cumbersome to use once you're experienced, hence why learning JASS is a good idea if you plan to spend much time in the environment.

 

[Squiggy]

Just a tip:
Get someone willing to teach you.
If he accepts, prepare for some boring lessons on natives, variable declaration and maths.
The above are absolutely necessary, though.

 

[WarManta]

GUI is just as good and may be slower by not that long but it can still do the same thing jass can do besides the extra functions of some of the same stuff, if you don't mind me asking why has this been brought up as well this should be a closed thread.

Should tell him through private or visitor messages.

 

[PurplePoot]

No you can't.

If you disagree, go make me a leakless damage detection system in GUI. Or hell, delete a location.

I don't expect you to be back any time soon.

 

[WarManta]

Yes, I could.

I would make that or delete a location but....

Nobody has anything in their editor to load my GUI so...... Modified GUI of course because the standard provided by blizzard wasn't enough since you have to remove a location with custom script which by the way I exclude as jass because it is more in the middle and could be used by itself, I do not want to discuss this and I should not of brought this up.

 

[PurplePoot]

Uh, if you define some nebulous concept of an unspecified "modified GUI" then of course it could do anything.

Hell, I could go "herp derp I invented a modified GUI based around scripting, it's called JASS, you guys should check it out!" seeing as GUI is a very very vague term when it comes to code and what the world editor provides amounts to some form of one.

Also, "custom script" is what the editor calls JASS so yeah, "custom script" is JASS and if you exclude it it's safe to say you're in denial.

 

[mckill2009]

they say that JASS is a lot easier and can do hundreds of things that GUI cant do, so my next stop is learning JASS...

 

[Mrblackmystery]

Just a tip:
Get someone willing to teach you.
If he accepts, prepare for some boring lessons on natives, variable declaration and maths.
The above are absolutely necessary, though.

Alright. I guess the challenge is finding someone, but I will try, thank you for your help!