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It is more complicated then that in real Christianity compared to what some modern stories say of half angels and humans. But anyway being that is both demon and angel would be immortal so you can't compare it to half angel or half demon who have human mortal half. All in all if being like that is to be killed then it would be destroyed as he has no soul to become spirit.

Ok yea purgatory might work too, I forgot it as I don't have that.

But problem is it is to late to change all of that anyway. Would probably need serious rethinking.
 
Yo guys, I'd be happy if you'd stay away from me in the RP for a little longer, until I have revealed my location :)
Anyways, your thoughts to this pic? :)
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Well, my ol' terrain kinda gives it away :P But its nor accurate to the story neither in a wally, so dont worry ;P

Also, I kinda think that the team is really shattered now, and i want to get into some action myself, but I cant while I'm stuck with the injured ones. Also i think that team priority should be saving Christmas instead of fighting strangers in the mountains :)
 
Howcome you have the gear, but you didn't know about the workshop, Gyro just forgot to tell, huh!? Sure he told about people at the HQ. Or does it mean that the HQ you went wasn't the HQ, but it was actually the HQ that wasn't the HQ? Now that makes sense.

But that's understandable, he's an old sheep, sure he can forget things like.. An army at the hidden workshop. An army that doesn't know if someone visits good ol' Santa and burns his house to the ground.
 
Guys, you need to understand that Santania and Santa's Workshop are two totally different things - different places! :)
"The Niss", the army at Santania isn't connected to the Workshop, and thus had no idea of its fall. And Gyro had no connection to Santania or the Niss, so he had no idea they existed.
 
Dunno, evil cultists who killed Santa and burned down his Workshop perhaps ^^

Anyways, I just wanted to point out that it was mentioned in the beginning of the RP that Bisnar doesn't actually have a tongue, even though he believes he has.. just sayin' x)
 
@Bern: I thought about it, and came to the conclusion that you are either giving up, or teaming up with the good guys? :b

@Paillan: Bro, Santa's body is in Bern's possession, if not totally destroyed. Good luck to the Elves who are seeking to enter her citadel and get the body I'd say... ^^

@Alagremm: And the Christmas Elves are obviously the same as they have always been - loyal servants of Santa, who originally helped him make presents for kids around the world, or trained to be warriors, defending Christmas from whatever might seek to destroy it :)
 
Let's start with the exceptions, that you claim to admire. Out of the thousands elves that work for him, not one, not a single freaking ONE has ever been seen outside the workshop.

Not. A single. ONE.

By all accounts, if they were allowed to leave, we would have seen some using the MONEY THAT THEY TOTALLY EARN on a vacation in New York or on some tropical island. Do we see them? No.

Which brings us to the conclusion that elves:
1. Work for food, because even if they did get wages, they would have nowhere to spend them.
2. Cannot leave their workplace.
3. Don't have any choice of what to do in their life except for making dolls or making toy trains.

And to quote the definitions of being a slave:
Slaves can be held against their will from the time of their capture, purchase or birth, and deprived of the right to leave, to refuse to work, or to demand compensation.
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And don't try to tell me stuff like 'Oh, they're free to walk away, no one is holding them, they can go away if they want to'.

Go away WHERE?! They are surrounded by a freaking polar frozen desert of certain death! It's like Siberian gulags times 20!

As for the cause of these proofs that I show, lets quote a certain fellow from a few pages ago:
And It would be a whole lot faster to get your answers if you started to speculate some for yourself.
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Sound familiar?
 
So they didn't see the outside of the workshop? How come they was building an army in Santania then?

The spending money on vacation: Its a difference between cultures, and societies.
A few hundred years back, travelling was not wanted by common people, nobody consumed, not as much as we do today. Now of course it was partly because their life was harder, less money to spend, more working.
But did this effect their happiness? Their social life? No. Was the feudal system a slavery? No.
They would be happier if they could buy a Lamborghini and do harlem shake videos in their livingroom? I don't think it would make a difference. This is just the way they learned to live.

Why is it so hard to believe, that there is a society out there, what is not affected by today's consumer society.

I think the reasons they dont leave the workshop is:
-They get _everything_ they need.
-They are raised not to hate hard work. (They get to have freetime, after all there are enough of them to keep the work going all year.)
-It's on their hearts to help to make the world a better place.
-They dont want to leave their beloved homes just to live in an unjust stranger society!
-There are no reasons for them to leave such a nice place.

Do you call this brainwashed?
 
You really gone to the "Quote everything he says and find a mistake in it" phase. Well done!

Although you ignored the fact hat they are happy with what they are doing.

You are talking about icy wastelands when there are warm and cozy places for them to live.
You are talking about eternal dictator, instead the warm, loving fatherly like Santa.
You are talking about food and place to sleep, but ignore the happy singing and celebrating together, and the everlasting frinedships.
Also, think about the big amount creativity they make the toys with. I dont think it is the train after train, doll after doll. But each doll is different, each one is a masterpiece itself.

You are throwing with numbers, we both know that is just an irrelevant thing in the "subject at hand"

Why is it so hard to believe, that there is a society out there, what is not affected by today's consumer society.
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Its not about the workshop and the outer world, its about inside the workshop.
They are not motivated to work so they can collect more and more object around them, they are motivated because they love what they are doing.

You cant convince me that hey live in bad conditions, because they dont.

How do you know that their thinking is the same as the humans? Why do you think that its not natural to them to work but they are brainwashed.
 
Bernkastel was right. Why do I bother with you people?

You don't want proper ideas or logic. You prefer living in the world of make-believe.

You make excuses after excuses, create gigantic piles of theories that explain just why they are content with their lives, instead of accepting a simple fact that explains it all.

I'm done trying to teach an elephant how to fly.
 
What is this if not a huge theory?
I was just explaining the theory from my point of view.

Since it is all a concept, i think i got the freedom of shaping it my way, as you got to shape it your way too.
And since it is a concept, the argument cant end other ways, but either one of us gives up (agrees) , or we rip the concept apart.

Also, i didnt learn this at school, i dont know what is proper and what is not. I only know what feels proper in my point of view.

Also, what you want me to say, if I agree. 'Yes, i was very wrong, elves are just slaves in a dictatorship. I believed in a stupid thing all along'
That would just be silly

I hope this shows that I'm not stupidly stubborn, but I rather wanted to "defend our team's pride"...
 
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