Founders of the North 1.15

[Sifonseal]

Ill address any post I haven’t in due time, I just need one quick question answered
Question:
Should I go about expanding the map area of FOTN?
Some people have asked that I expand it, but I felt that it might cause unneeded lag, they seemed to think that the map couldn’t possibly lag.
I’ve had several cases where one player lags out long into the game, is this common enough to be worried about?
... Or should I just go all out with the expansion?

Would like some input here.

 

[Tleno]

I doubt the map needs to be bigger atually... there's still plenty of space for full house and there is still lots of free space in dungeon area...

 

[Sifonseal]

@Tleno
Thx for your prompt response, glad to know people feel that it is large enough ^^
I can rest in peace… although I did just spend a fair bit of effort expanding it, I would have needed to spend a lot longer to finish it up

 

[Hero_Lief]

Judging on when I can see the map 1/10 of the time, yeah, it could do with a small bit more, but it's not really that bad. You could get by either way.

 

[MaCto]

wow.. i've never actually commented before ^^.. I love this map ! as previously stated it has great potential. although i'd say it is already a masterpiece...! Glad to see the frequent updating, but where do i see the changes made :S ?? noticed you fixed the grape-to-wine-transformationrate or whatever that was awesome, although i liked the grapes growth rate alot better in the previous versions .. looking forward to the adventure-guild thing ! ! btw.. i haven't checked in this version, but in the precious onces, if you die whilst inside the amarti mine or any other "instance" you end up stuck... the cam is unmovable after that... i have to say, after playing the game on LAN with a friend for 4 hours, that kind of sucked ! ! and you still have a risk of losing items or at least i lost 2 out of three 5k coins whilst dismounting my EPIC HORSE ! but still awesome map

btw, am i to understand that the founder of a guild (player) is gonna be able to create task for adventurers?

 

[Domasi]

Sifonseal of course the map needs more space. Just to make it bigger without any hard work and so, you can expand the bottom of the map. Make that sea like a bay and create another terrain part after it; and maybe create one more town? Anyway if you didn't understand what I really mean I could draw a sketch if you like.

 

[keaponlaffin]

As you can tell from these screenshots gatherers posts should be renamed lazymans posts.

Also if you notice how crowded everything is. There's only 1 person the far north, mostly because you can't grow anything there. Also early game merchantry devastates the income from unprocessed meat. It's hard to live in the north so that's why nobody aside from bandits does it. Pros living in the north usually keep a farming village in the south.

Notice how towns seem to grow in bunches and basically collide. Like suburban sprawl. Not exactly the feel I think this map should have.

I have an idea for how to increase the size of the map without actually increasing the map's size. How about making everything smaller. Like all the units, buildings etc. and increasing the default zoom. Same effect right?

 

[MaCto]

Sifonseal of course the map needs more space. Just to make it bigger without any hard work and so, you can expand the bottom of the map. Make that sea like a bay and create another terrain part after it; and maybe create one more town? Anyway if you didn't understand what I really mean I could draw a sketch if you like.

He is absolutely right.. more water and some land at the far end of it WOULD be epic !

 

[Blazer_Knight]

I don't understand why some people need more space when map itself is basicly huge....

If people have problems with placing buildings to get efficency and space that's their problem not the map's fault

Land after sea ? That would just unbalance the map completly which would be lame

And another city would totaly ruin the Trade routes and whole Trade Item Prices....
not to mention making trade route to the 4th city and making items (that are generaly
made in THAT area only) would take hell of a lot time to make

 

[TwentyThree]

i doubt the idea of another landmass after an increase of sea would be smart... then he would have to add another town, which as blazer said would be very long to make.. and would delay the addition of other points that would increase gameplay for everyone.. and if towns get too close kill the other guy >

 

[ChewToy44]

Finally

Love this map, finally got around to registering on Hive because of it.
First, @keaponlaffin, stop taking screenshots of my grapeyard, that weirds me out.
Second, I'd love to see the sea expanded, so that those naval units that i know i read about being introduced, could be more effective. Idk about a new landmass for founder towns, seems like it might be too easily defended, but I'd suggest a pirate town of sorts, friendly to everyone, including bandits. The town could offer a special naval unit(Corsair)(You could add a special ship to the Trade Port to counter this) or perhaps another special land unit(Swashbuckler?).
The town could have a market, but because of it being a pirate town, the good prices are sporadic(They also tend to cost more then the other towns to buy, and due to them being pirates, they insist on buying cheap)
3rd, still on expanding the sea.... You would have another region to add a dungeon to, it could be a pirate den, a cultist lair, or some strange dungeon with aqua inhabitants.

I'll leave it at that for now, though I do have more suggestions. But before I go, I do have a question.
Is the Lord of Everwood, a joke boss? I saw him, and ALL I CAN SAY IS....WT5.

 

[ChewToy44]

Idk about a new landmass for founder towns, seems like it might be too easily defended, but I'd suggest a pirate town of sorts, friendly to everyone, including bandits.

To clarify, I meant that the penisula that is currently in the sea could be expanded a bit into a medium sized island with enough room for a town and perhaps a dungeon. I'm guessing it'll end up as an island, so adding a southern coastline(a nice sandy beach) at the edge of the town would make sense(pirates love beaches almost half as much as wenches and grog).

 

[darkmuch]

i like to think of the map as 4 quadrants separated massively with tiny chokepoints. because of this ppl in the same quadrant pretty much either gotta hug or beat it out, cause in no time you'll be walking sending troops through the other bases and what they consider their lands. This scenario is what makes the map feel small, the constant ending up trapped by your neighbor. any change in this scenario would alter the dynamics of the game resulting in less interaction between players and more reclusive behavior. We want players to be forced into situations where they must deal with each other, dont increase size of map.

 

[Deon]

Hey, awesome map. It gets boring in the end because of the lack of things to do (there seems to be a gap between stages. 1) "I am a roaming hunter/fisherman/trader"; 2) "I have a small village"; 3) "I have a sprawling city"; ... ; 4) "I am attacked by werewolves/vampires".

There has to be something to do between 3 and 4. Dungeons are nice but most of the time people can't find them. You need to make pings or more obvious entrances, or just more dungeons . And invent more stuff to do please. It gets boring right after you got everything up but you're not strong enough to kill werewolves/vampires.


With more action/content this is going to be my favourite map .

Btw, I can't find Amarthi mines. Really, I remember how the entrance looked. Where's it on map? I can't find it .

 

[The Pale King]

or if you do increase the map size, just by a small amount, don't go crazy.
I agree with Blazer_Knight and darkmuch about reclusiveness.

@Siphonseal quick idea for the dark cult, how about it changes the spawn of your neutral peasants (from houses and the town-center) to acolytes? or from towns your guild faction controls, same thing with the other guilds.

@Deon
The amarthi mines is right by the wolf spirit wife in the southwestern forest.

 

[TheOverWhelming]

Increasing Map size a bit at a time would seem best, however I think it'd be a good idea to expand gameplay, such as increasing the amount of things each player can have like maximum number of units. This way your town could become an Empire, depending on the map size.
Also finishing what has already been planned, then expanding would be best.

 

[Deon]

Well, I prefer the "hero-centered" gameplay.

Perhaps make it a gameoption to satisfy everyone's needs. I don't want it to be turned into pure strategy, but some people may like it, so "-empires" or something else at start should work (increasing the amount of food for example and maybe increasing output in gold by the town management).

I don't mean we shouldn't have units, I just never hit the food limit because I was using small parties and was happy about that, so in my game style I wouldn't want to be zergrushed because someone spammed 200 units . That's the idea.


Also please please please, make different types of towers (and make default ones to upgrade into them). Upgrade tree for towers is something I love, probably it comes from Tower Defence maps .

Also if it's possible, make towers to cost food, otherwise it's too easy to spam them all over the map. Making them stronger and making them to cost 3-4 food is a good idea, thus you will have a few upgraded towers which will work and even look nicer. 5x5 square of towers breaks the immersion .


P.S. Oh, and what influences your gold lost to "corruption"? Sometimes numbers are crazy, like -850 gold, while the income is maximum 200 (and sometimes 0, why?), what influences corruption and town income?

The amarthi mines is right by the wolf spirit wife in the southwestern forest.

THAT'S what that entrance was... Doh. Thank you. Then I was thinking about another dungeon, with skeletons and ghosts. Where's THAT entrance? I remember it was to the north from the wolf spirit, but I can't find it.

 

[Sifonseal]

@MaCto
Glad to hear you like FOTN ^^
(So wait what’s new?)
You can find details of the update change logs here on hive (In the description on page 1)

(Eternal tomb)
Yes the dungeon death thing was fixed

(The guild did what?)
Different guild will allow you to do various things, and yes several of them will be able to create task (i.e. bandit organizations and mercenary guilds will be able to place bounties on any unit)




@Domasi
I see what your saying, but some of the posts below your raised valid points about the imbalances the expansion would cause and the promotion of reclusive game play it would cause.
Regardless a simple extension to the sea area couldn’t hurt too much.





@Keaponlaffin
(Wait wheres my base end and wheres yours start?)
Hmm… your posts screenshot and all have shifted the bar a bit towards an expansion, but still not sure… this crowding cause’s tension, which acts as a catalyst for the much needed war, clearly the north isn’t big enough for you and your neighbor, someone going to have to go…

(Honey I shrunk the north)
As for shrinking units down and zooming the camera, while that’s usually the way to do, I would rather not, since you cannot reduce the size of the ground textures or the level of detail in them, this just makes the map look poor, its fine for map that have just the same grass repeating across the entire map, and some massive dirt areas, but I wanted to make FOTN easy on the eyes.
Also I’m going to work in the Vassalage idea system so that instead of killing this annoying **** (<---- Profanity) you can become their controller, i.e. they take on the same color as you and begin to act in your interest. (Ill explain this further soon)

p.s. lol LB and Teal have been decimated in the second screen shot





@MaCto II
As stated about, naval expansion may happen, but there is no way any significant land mass will appear on the other end of the water, it would cause countless issues.




@Blazer_Knight
(Couldn’t have put it better my self, but I’ll expand on it ^^)
All very true, these are some of the main reason I did not want to expand the map.
A forth city, or distancing player locations from the central network of the existing towns and facilities would be strange, the current layout was very carefully planed, the locations all have advantages and disadvantages based on their distance to facilities and the accessibility of the location, expansion would throw all of this out of balance, even the traveler motion is very evenly regulated (Its simply chance that they seem to go to one place more than another, or simply that they get killed along one path)





@Twentytree
(“If towns get too close kill the other guy >)
That’s the sprit!!
But as I said above ill provide an alternative to simply killing others.





@Darkmuch
(You can’t have your north and eat it too)
Another truly insightful remark, it’s good to know that many people understand the dynamics of the current map structure.




@Deon
(3.5? What 3.5?)
Don’t worry much will come to fill in this hole you dubbed 3.5

(Wait, where’s mine?)
The mine entrances are directly south of the northern town, and below the Great Southern Port village.
Pings will be added for each of the dungeons. Why are there two entrances to all the dungeons? Well that’s simple, this allows players in different locations to not be disadvantaged, it also allows you to coordinate dungeon parties easier as people who are far from you can always use another entrance, etc…etc…





@The Pale King
(Easy does it)
Yea perhaps a minor expansion, this would do

(Guild influences)
Yes guilds will change the travelers, the villager etc… etc… in the north as their influence increases, in 1.11 there will be the addition of a festival that takes place every 3 days or so (Yes that’s a long while but frankly its meant to be special).
At this festival their will be various competitions, i.e. fattest pig, free combat duels, etc… etc… these events will also be effected by guilds and the wealth of the north, which you can imagine will start off fairly low, its up to you, the FOTN to develop the north into a great nation.





@TheOverwhelming
(Get your priorities straight!!)
Fair enough point, but some system like guilds would need to take into account changes to the map dynamics, this is why I pushed this discussion forward, and it seemed to yield good result ^^
I need you guys to keep me doing the right thing, remind me whenever I stray into random additions.
…Still the entire guild thing is very daunting to continue work on, and it will make the next few versions seem small while a lot goes on in the back related to guilds.

(Eternal Hunter)
Huh, I’m not sure what this is about, I haven’t noticed something like this my self ill go check it out soon, if I don’t mention it at some point, remind me please ^^




@Deon II
(You and what army?)
I felt that the balance between hero influence and army power is fairly well balanced now, while a hero can decimate a small band of warriors, he has trouble taking on a well trained army, if someone feels that there is some tweaking needed with hero strength, I would love to hear the suggestions, frankly I love it as it is ^^

(What is this tower defense?)
Yes more towers are long due, as is gunpowder; it will be in either 1.11 or 1.12
Massed towers seem like they are indestructible, but sending a few catapults at them usually does the trick, also if you allowed someone to mass up that many towers your partially at fault ^^
Also note that once gunpowder is introduced Cannons will make laying siege a lot easier

(Where my food at?)
I don’t think towers should cut into your food budget, but perhaps ill limit the Cannon towers built with gunpowder.

(Wait this isn’t right, is it?)
Yes the dungeon next to the Wolf spirit is Everwood Depths; I mentioned the locations of Amarti Mine Caverns entrances above




@Hero_Lief
I don’t remember if I mentioned this before, but 1.11 should fix your problem if it is what I think it is, if not I will do as you suggested and see what I can do about an Invisible weather command




@Blazer_Knight (Post before the entire map expansion discussion)
Thx, I really appreciate the sentiment ^^
But seriously why is it that the rep never gets to me >.> Note: I didn’t post map on hive, good old Domasi beat me to it ^^








Did I miss someone, if so please repost, on one goes unheard in the north, well except Leo, but he don’t have no sound set!!
All suggestions are greatly appreciated ^^

 

[Tleno]

I think that corruption is a small percentage of money you own. Like if you have 1000, you loose about aprox 100...
And that trading income is the cash you got from selling stuff in markets...

By the way, Inn/Brewery still has tanery tooltip and you should immprove that citizen tooltip that they build some structures founder can't.

Forgot to mention, but it seems you forgot to fix the problem with bandits not beeing able to build gates!

 

[Sifonseal]

@Tleno
Ah thx for mentioning what I forgot to address.
(Do explain…)
Corruption is equal to 5% of your total cash on hand, it is deducted every 40 seconds, this means that the number you see in the “Last loss to corruption” is not your total loss over the period, but simply a small portion of it. (Realistically corruption is hard to put in numbers)
To avoid corruption simply leave you money in the form of coins.
Trade income is simply generated when the trade caravans arrive at your Town Centre and are processed, it will always be 200, if it was 0, it means the path to your town is unsafe or you are using a town too far away, use the “Change closest town” option in your town centre to set the closest NPC trade town.
Trade income will be influenced by other factors in later version, for now it will always be 200.

(Wait this is a tannery?)
Ah, right, ill get right to it, how come this has gone overlooked for so long…

(Why exactly is there a hole in my wall?)
I seem to have forgotten why they shouldn’t have a wall, lately the balance between Founders and Bandits is very tipped, ill get to fixing this soon, but for now, ill give them a gate.

Thx for the quick aid again Tleno

 

[Hero_Lief]

You suggested it was related to the time of day, and only happened at night, however my problem isn't related to time of day at all, but instead weather. So, yeah, hope the invisible weather gets added in by the next version. I REALLY WANNA PLAY D:

 

[Sifonseal]

@Hero_Lief
The issue is likely due to the fog during rain (Or rather the fog when rain isn’t there), when you said that the weather was the issues, did you mean you can only see during rain? If so this will solve the issue ^^

 

[Hero_Lief]

I'm not sure what it is, but yeah, it's probably related to fog. Maybe we could experiment? What are the fogs/rains you use?

 

[Sifonseal]

@Hero_Lief
If it is, it should work in 1.11, if not ill provide you with all the details you need ^^

 

[Hero_Lief]

Lol, okay. When should we expect 1.11?

 

[Sifonseal]

@Hero_Lief
By Friday hopefully, if it’s not ready at that time, ill release it with what is there disabling several half complete features so you can finally get into it ^^


Btw several people have asked that I update the FOTN official website with a forum, so that matters can be addressed individually, it’s fair point, but is it too soon to leave the warm embrace of hive? (Obviously I will still actively respond here on hive)


Edit:
Btw, sorry if anyone was disappointed with the end of the map extension discussion, but I felt that it was the best decision for maintaining the integrity of FOTN

 

[Deon]

I honestly think that gameplay mechanics like guilds, advanced professions, longer crafting tree and new items are more important than map extension. It's already quite big, and I would love to see some additions to it, but first I would like to see more stuff to do with the current map .


I agree that army balance is good as it is. Someone suggested that you should put more food into the game, and I answered that it should be done ONLY as an option, because I prefer the current balance.


Also, more on towers: I feel like it is important.Right now it's easy to build towers ALL OVER THE MAP. I mean really, they are cheap and weak.

If you made them 1) limited or 2) more expensive and/or stronger, it would be cool.

Notice how real towns have just a few. And player towns have 20-30. It just doesn't seem right and looks ugly.

Make it more profitable to build one and upgrade it rather than build 2, and players will start building them in key points and make them bigger and stronger rather than spam the map.


I can't wait for the next version. Some guys on Dwarf Fortress forums and me are really eager to see what this map becomes . It looks very promising.

 

[TheOverWhelming]

Corruption is based off of current gold, hence the Currency system. Also, should make Currency be not-clickable and such as that, and maybe edit the Constants and change some things, like what Gold is since they aren't mind from Gold Mines and, as a suggestion, should be something like Bronze or Treasury Count.
Also, why do all the units get stuck patroling near the bridge area? If you hardcoded each area, or whatever you did, add a chance to go somewhere else.
Edit: Founder with Horse costs 0 food, should be 1 since the Horse costs 1 food.
Dunno what to do about Plague though.
Your "Limit structure to 1" thing doesn't work when you upgrade it.

 

[Blazer_Knight]

Really....If you people wish to Avoid Corruption Loss ( especially if your city is under siege ) I made up with simplest system to save up money due to current 5% loss due to corruption which is so simple it makes me cry someone didn't figured that out before

When you get alot of money from trade / hunting / mining / etc. just go to your village center (or at Merchants Guild at one of three towns) and buy current:
- Faram Coin : worth = 100 g
- Firring Silver Coin : worth = 500 g
- Trenni Silver Coin : worth = 1000 g
- Trenni Gold Coin : worth = 5000 g

Example:
If I have like....5100 g and I go to Town or at my Village Center and I buy
1 Trenni Gold Coin or 5 Trenni Silver Coin or 10 Firring Silver Coins I spent 5000 g on those and I end up to 100 g, and during next Tax / Corruption loss I would only lose 5 g since I have 100 g; BUT I got Coins in Inventory of worth 5000 g....therefore I only lost 5 g (5%) due to corruption loss of money, and if I had 5100 g and didn't changed the money I would lose toal of 5% of 5100 g making that 255 g lost....

So.....I bought coins and I lost less money due to Corruption making my pocket bigger ( in this case ) by 250 g

Yea I know 250 g saving from 5100 g is a little...but think big and when you change big amount of money like +20 000 g then the amount of saved money also increses by large amounts;
20 000 g (in Coins) = saves you 1000 g on corruption loss
40 000 g (in Coins) = saves you 2000 g on corruption loss

As far as the map itself is concerd I just can't wait untill next Ver. Relese

PS: Just out of curriosity, on what servers is this map usually hosted ?....
I'm on Northrend and playing sometimes online with 1 friend who also enjoys the map but that usually it, since this map never gets hosted

 

[hostail]

I se people host this map from time to time on Northrend somehow when i try to host the map it just desyncs in the beginning of the game (and yeah i tried the newest ver to... and this is the only map this thing happens to me)

Oh right, forgot to add one thing, when your yellow in the game, you start the game whit only half hp or something.

 

[keaponlaffin]

p.s. lol LB and Teal have been decimated in the second screen shot

Yea purple killed teal and lb got raped by coven calimity after he bsed blue. He tried towering off bran castle but it didn't help. After the first night everybody panicked and we rushed everything we had to the castle, but the vampires were just RAPE RAPE RAPE.

I actually have a replay of that game it lasts 5 years. I went afk after someone summoned wolf calamity, and when I got back all my shit was still alive (elite archers rape wolves). I don't know how the calamities got handled but they got handled. Purple had in the meantime been strangled to death by pink, with massive rows of pinkish towers boxing him in.


Also another disadvantage to living in the north is that if you want to use the significant income given by auto farming you need to build a secondary base, furthermore since the finished products are all trade goods it requires using a hero to transport them instead of leveling the heroes. Alot of times these will be quite far from the main base so clicking transport to town center doesn't work as well, plus the nearest town is often closer than the town center at any rate. This is only really a disadvantage for players who do not choose merchant wives, since the trade spec really comes into play here.

 

[Deon]

I am playing on northrend but usually hosting it on Azeroth more.

Add me (Deon.AC), and I was sleepy all times I played so I didn't figure out it was 5% (and I was constantly trading so it was hard to spot ). Now when I know what it is, it will be easier to manage, thank you.

Btw, which wife do you like most? I like wolf spirit because I always want to level her to that crazy lightning (and never get it done ).

 

[ChewToy44]

Did I miss someone, if so please repost, on one goes unheard in the north, well except Leo, but he don’t have no sound set!!
All suggestions are greatly appreciated ^^

That'd be me.
Copy pasta is ftw.
Love this map, finally got around to registering on Hive because of it.
First, @keaponlaffin, stop taking screenshots of my grapeyard, that weirds me out.
Second, I'd love to see the sea expanded, so that those naval units that i know i read about being introduced, could be more effective. Idk about a new landmass for founder towns, seems like it might be too easily defended, but I'd suggest a pirate town of sorts, friendly to everyone, including bandits. The town could offer a special naval unit(Corsair)(You could add a special ship to the Trade Port to counter this) or perhaps another special land unit(Swashbuckler?).
The town could have a market, but because of it being a pirate town, the good prices are sporadic(They also tend to cost more then the other towns to buy, and due to them being pirates, they insist on buying cheap)
3rd, still on expanding the sea.... You would have another region to add a dungeon to, it could be a pirate den, a cultist lair, or some strange dungeon with aqua inhabitants.

I'll leave it at that for now, though I do have more suggestions. But before I go, I do have a question.
Is the Lord of Everwood, a joke boss? I saw him, and ALL I CAN SAY IS....WT5.

To clarify, I meant that the penisula that is currently in the sea could be expanded a bit into a medium sized island with enough room for a town and perhaps a dungeon. I'm guessing it'll end up as an island, so adding a southern coastline(a nice sandy beach) at the edge of the town would make sense(pirates love beaches almost half as much as wenches and grog).

 

[ChewToy44]

If you are going to expanding the sea, you can expanding the fishing profession. Add a fishing boat that can be bought and operated by a founder for fishing far from the coast.

 

[The Pale King]

@Deon

I like the bird spirit wife, for her scouting and quick defense/harass ability. its nice to see when enemies start to tower block.

 

[Blazer_Knight]

Strategicly speaking then I prefer Wind Spirit Wife because of good aerial support and vision (very vital if attacking / sieging someone's city)

Economily speaking for fast start up base I preffer Merchant Wife because of her skill to get 100 g easy and Trade Representative

Very hard decision between those two and depends on what
type of other players you are dealing with ingame

 

[keaponlaffin]

Chest spawn galore!

 

[MaCto]

@Hero_Lief


Edit:
Btw, sorry if anyone was disappointed with the end of the map extension discussion, but I felt that it was the best decision for maintaining the integrity of FOTN

I believe this map will be big enough with all the (hopefully ) soon-to-be-added-add-ons . i just feel that the destiny of this map is to expand and i would've been able to end my life happily after having played the final version of this map WITH more space . jus sayin' you seem to be an unstoppable force ! i just want to fuel the fire

 

[Domasi]

Sifonseal, first try to do a system so that when a player leaves hes hero and all his other things disappear. And second keaponlaffin is right, do something with that item spamm.

 

[abc1337]

Could you please stop the map from playing Warcraft 3 music even though our wc3 music might be turned off? It seems you're triggering the music to play every time night becomes day or vice versa. It's annoying because my warcraft 3 music volume is turned off and it's still playing warcraft 3 music; usually I listen to my own music while playing.

Edit: Also plays dungeon ambiance music during dungeons... even though my music volume is at 0%.

P.S. - Plague is... really hard to get rid of. x.x

Oh and um... Made some icons (I'm a newbie at this but I just had to since I couldn't recognize Holo from the pic used in the map):

Kraft Lawrence:

-|- Fermi Amati:

-|- Fleur Bolan:

Nora Arendt [Shepherdess]:

Chloe [Merchant]:

-->

<--

Dianna [Bird Spirit]:

-->

<--
Holo [Wolf Spirit]:

FOTN Map's Current Icons: Holo:

-|- Nora:

-|- Chloe:

-|- Dianna:

Unfortunately I was too lazy to get rid of the background. (The one with arrows are the ones I think are the best. Arrgh damn Dianna's 1 thread of hair in front of her left eye!)

 

[ChewToy44]

P.S. - Plague is... really hard to get rid of.

Well, it is a calamity.

 

[Blazer_Knight]

How to get rid of plague...

To get rid of plague get yourself Gathering tools and a Caludron then:

-start searching for herbs that grant Earth Element, switch into the Caludron for
Earth sing element and make yourself free Plague Potion's
(note that you need Basic Alchemy Vial in inventory)...

-do not let anyone in your base since you don't want somone desiesed to spread plague again in your base

-if you aren't in war and sick Founder comes to your place cure him also, for a price that is

And to rid of the plague in map....get archers to do the job from safe distance (prefferably during day since their sight range is incresed during day)

@abc1337
The map doesn't play music from war3 if music volume ingame is set to lowest even during day changes to night and vice-versa....
So you must've did something wrong since its still playing

Nice Icons to be frank

 

[abc1337]

And to rid of the plague in map....get archers to do the job from safe distance (preferably during day since their sight range is increased during day)

I've tried but it's just impossible to rid the whole map of plague! And then I realized my mortal nemesis when it comes to the plague... The bandit heroes left over from the players that left! Sitting in their little town, unknowingly spreading disease and reviving when killed if the World Order hasn't been researched yet... Other than that, the amount of plague essence items that drop from the diseased is a bit ridiculous. It gets a bit laggy when so many items accumulate in one area (i.e. the bridge where the Pagans and Church units meet). Those plague essence items should really be removed at intervals in time.

But well since I usually have spare money, I just go to the Dark Witch's Altar to buy the cure.

The map doesn't play music from war3 if music volume ingame is set to lowest even during day changes to night and vice-versa....
So you must've did something wrong since its still playing

I didn't know about this! >:O Thank you so much. My music volume was simply turned off and not set to 0% volume. Seems dungeon ambiance music still plays...

Nice Icons to be frank

And thanks.

 

[thorhunter]

Btw several people have asked that I update the FOTN official website with a forum, so that matters can be addressed individually, it’s fair point, but is it too soon to leave the warm embrace of hive? (Obviously I will still actively respond here on hive)

Looking foward to it. Meanwhile, your Merchantry System is flawed. The prices arent exact when buying and selling, displayed values are different. You may want to look into your trigger or I could programm/fix it for you. And the economy system needs abit improvement in general, trades between towns etc.

 

[abc1337]

Looking forward to it. Meanwhile, your Merchantry System is flawed. The prices aren't exact when buying and selling, displayed values are different. You may want to look into your trigger or I could program/fix it for you. And the economy system needs a bit improvement in general, trades between towns etc.

The trading system itself is fine... or maybe not. You are being deceived by the false floating text that pops up when selling or you haven't been determining the total price.



--- Determining Total Price ---

For example, lets use a Tier I item like "Trade Goods: Crops."

When you buy the 10g Market Report, you'll get something like:
Tier I Trade: Crops: 50 ... Meat: 210 ... Wool: 190
Tier II Trade: Southern Brew: 210 ... Furs: 510 ... Salt: 470
Tier III Trade: Silver Goods: 570 ... Alchemical Products: 1790 ... General Arms: 1460
[P.S. - The costs change slightly from time to time even without interaction from merchants.]

So, you know that the displayed market price is 50g.

But the item itself costs gold. Tier I goods cost 20g. Tier II goods cost 40g. Tier III goods cost 160g. I will call these the actual item price.

So, you know that the total price of Crops is displayed market price + actual item price so: 50g + 20g = 70g! The total price is 70g! A bit confusing? Maybe. But it's just math.

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--- Examples of: Displayed Market Price + Actual Item Price = Total Prices ---

Tier I Crops: 50g + 20g = 70g
Tier I Meat: 210g + 20g = 230g
Tier I Wool: 190 + 20g = 210g
Tier II Southern Brew: 210g + 40g = 250g
Tier II Furs: 510g + 40g = 550g
Tier II Salt: 470g + 40g = 510g
Tier III Silver Goods: 570g + 160g = 730g
Tier III Alchemical Products: 1790g + 160g = 1950g
Tier III General Arms: 1460g + 160g = 1620g

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--- The Deceiving Floating Text Value When Merchants Sell Items or Total Price Calculation Error? --- (Experiment 1 / Constants: Same Market; Single Item)

NOW IT GETS MORE CONFUSING! There is an error in the calculations for the FLOATING TEXT that is displayed when you sell an item (and maybe the total price calculations as well)! The FLOATING TEXT displayed when you are buying is fine!

Alright so you decide to go ahead and buy ONE "Trade Good: Crops."
It will say something like: "Bought Crops for 70g." So everything's fine and all. You're all dandy and going OMG trading is awesome!

But then you decide to go ahead and sell ONE "Trade Good: Crops" to the same market for no reason!
It will say something like: "Sold Crops for 55g." And your mouth's agape. I lost 15g!? No, in actuality you GAINED 5g.

What the problem is that when a player SELLS an item to a market, the FLOATING TEXT value forgets to add the actual item price (Tier I = 20g; Tier II = 40g; Tier III = 160g) for each item or perhaps the calculation formula is flawed. So, it displays the wrong price! It may be showing the displayed market price from the market report but this is disputable... And if you check your gold, you will find that you actually gained 55g + 20g (which is 75g aka the total price).

But fixing the floating text value or formula when selling a merchant item would be a good idea.

Edit: No, actually there is actually something wrong with the merchantry system... Requires further investigation... Post will be edited.
Edit: Post has been edited.

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--- Total Price Calculation Error / Flawed Formula? --- (Experiment 2 / Different Markets; Multiple/Bulk of Items; Several Tier I Trade Items Tested)

Perhaps there really is something wrong with the formula or maybe it was intentional... Maybe it was something caused by the change to bulk selling instead of the original selling of each trade item separately (which is a hassle).

Experiment Results for Bulk Selling of Tier I Trade Goods at Different Markets
2 Items ... Expected Price for Selling: 415 ... Actual Price when Sold: 405 ... Profit Lost: 10
3 Items ... Expected Price for Selling: 570 ... Actual Price when Sold: 540 ... Profit Lost: 30
4 Items ... Expected Price for Selling: 770 ... Actual Price when Sold: 710 ... Profit Lost: 60
5 Items ... Expected Price for Selling: 1125 ... Actual Price when Sold: 1025 ... Profit Lost: 100
6 Items ... Expected Price for Selling: 1305 ... Actual Price when Sold: 1155 ... Profit Lost: 150
................................................................................................................ I bet the next profit lost will be 210... then 280... then 360... etc. Even though I may be using different Tier I trade items, as long as the # of items sold in bulk is the same, the profit lost is always the same even though the selling prices may be different.

Let y = Total Price of First Item Sold; z = Total Price of All Items when Sold
Expected Price when Sold (2 items):
y + (y - 5) = z
Ex.: 210 + (210-5) = z
Ex.: 415 = z


Let x = Money before Selling Items; y = Money after Selling Items; z = Total Price of All Items when Sold
Actual Price when Sold (2 items):
y - x = z
Ex.: 3175 - 2770 = 405
Ex.: 405 = z


DOES NOT COMPUTE! 405 =/= 415 ... ... ... End Result: Lost 10g of Profit (but still gained $$$). However, I feel like I'll lose $$$ if I sell extremely large quantities...

Why is this so?

Edit: Post will be edited.

I think the formula isn't suited for bulk selling... I'd rather use the original formula and/or method to sell each trade item separately... it's a hassle but I don't want to lose money.

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P.S. - Don't forget to change the ownership of the guild houses back to neutral (or spawn new ones) if the player owning the guild houses dies and becomes a bandit. Wouldn't want guild houses disappearing.
P.S. #2 - Could you add some hotkeys for the companions?

 

[thorhunter]

Haha yeah, all that explaination for nothing. But the initial prices could be removed anyway. Eg.: You have 500 gold. Item costs 40 initial + 700 triggered = 740. You try to buy one, you lose the 40 initial gold.

 

[abc1337]

Haha yeah, all that explanation for nothing. But the initial prices could be removed anyway. Eg.: You have 500 gold. Item costs 40 initial + 700 triggered = 740. You try to buy one, you lose the 40 initial gold.

Yeah the 40g is lost... It's not refunded.

P.S. - Calamities can really ruin the game at times.

 

[ChewToy44]

Eh, I think merchantry is fine(other then silver goods), the set price for each tier of good helps to insure that you have to be somewhat savy with your trading, making sure that you are watchking the prices to be sure that you are profiting.

And the issue i have with silver goods is, Alchemy props and Arms tend to be much more profitable to focus on

@thorhunter
That's what the trade reports are for, making sure you have enough for the good.

 

[Sifonseal]

@TheOverWhelming
(What are you being paid for?)
Patrols getting stuck there has always been an issue, there are numerous triggers there to stop this from happening, it really annoyed me since there is no logical reason for it to happen, and it only happens in that one spot, it should go out of its ay to refresh the spot every 120 or so seconds if I remember correctly. (Where are normally there is no timer to traveler movements)

(Hungry Horse)
Point noted, the mounted Founder will now cost 1 food

(Wait don’t I know you?)
The ability to build a structure again after its predecessor has been upgraded was entirely intentional; with the Store House chain this allows more food, with the wells this allows you to obtain 2 wells etc…
If there is such a chain that seems odd that slipped my mind let me know.




@Hostail
(You looking a bit yellow, you alright?)
Wow, that’s pretty weird, yellow player now has full hp



@Chewtoy44
Your post was very articulately phrased, gave me a good laugh. ^^

(I don’t Sea and expansion)
Well this is actually as reasonable request for a minor southern expansion, ill get back to this whole map expansion thing once I’m done with at least two types of Guilds.
(The Keeper of Everwood)
Actually the keeper isn’t the boss, its just one kick-ass peace of monster; as far as I know it’s not possible to kill it. To survive it you can either stand it front of it with a hectic hero using Blood Vengeance, you can run or… no that’s about it…
The actual boss for Everwood will be added soon, after this entire guilds thing -_-‘

(A boat of my own)
Actually I was just about to do this for version 1.11 since it won’t have much else, and a small update doesn’t feel too nice.
Edit: Sadly I might need to push this to 1.12




@Keaponlaffin
(Chests galore)
Fixed it (Haven’t tested this, if its not fixed ill just do something with it in 1.12)




@MaCto
The fire very much appreciates your post ^^




@... A few people
I’m glad to see people understand how useful each of the wives can be in their own way ^^




@Blazer_Knight
Btw your use of color in your post is awesome ^^
Also, if we do start a forum on FOTNofficial then you would be a great contributor to guides I’m sure. You seem to have an aptitude for it.; your guides so far have been, lighthearted and concise but still greatly informative.




@Domasi
(Damn bot took my town)
Actually I was going to give them to a AI when they left, this is why they don’t blow up at this point, if the NPC fraction thing is going to be complete ill need to devise and AI, even if it has to be trigger oriented.





@abc1337
(Music of my own)
Fixed forced music volumes at initialization

(Damn ambience)
I the music in the dungeons is actually a sound, I have no means of getting rid of it for you, but even if I did id recommend you leave it on to fully get into the mood of the dark creepy nature of the dungeons.

(Plagues a bitch)
Yes... yes it is…

(Icons ^^)
Honestly some of the fan art ones don’t do the characters justice, but yea the final Dianna is much better than the one I’m using, and the third, final, and third last Holo one are great too.
(Edit: Some of these positions have been displaced by edits to the post in question)
All in all the icon are great and Id definitely love to use them,
If you could make a more contextual one of Eve (“Fleur” Bolan) that would be awesome ^^

(What explain that again o.o)
Thx for explaining the trade thing before, well said btw.





@Thorhunter
(Reading the fine print)
Like stated in pervious posted, the displayed price does not account for the market fee, while the actual price displayed after it is bought does display the market fee, this was done intentionally.(and was a lot of work might I add)

(Why is the market fee there?)
Well to be somewhat realistic they do need to charge you something for their services.
The small amount of gold lost when buying trades goods and forgetting about the market fee is regrettable, think of it this way; they did go through the trouble of dealing with you and still want their market fee.





@Chewtoy44 II
(Silver just don’t cut it)
Well silver is may not be as profitable a trade as the other tier three trade goods, but the fact that is valued highly in a lot of locations (Albeit not as high as arms or alcem in certain locations) makes it easier to sell silver good you made using mined silver.





@Hero_Lief
My bad on not delivering on the Friday deadline I haven’t been home too much lately.
But yes 1.11 should be up later today, sorry for the delay.




As always if I missed you post repost and ill get right to it ^^

 

[thorhunter]

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Eh, I think merchantry is fine

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Edit: Do others have the issue with opening the last page of this thread aswell or is it just me? >.>