Farmer vs. Hunter R! ver. 3.7

[Sheep]

the hunters aren't op.. if you get a lot of towers they can't touch you at all

 

[BonerBoo]

Got you ;D

the hunters aren't op.. if you get a lot of towers they can't touch you at all

This is it. You can't just stay in base . Piont is to defeat a hunter , farmers have 45 mins to defeat him. and they have no chances

About defense everything is okay

 

[BonerBoo]

Ok, that's it - that post was an official border of enough people complaining about Hunters being OP. I will NERF them in the next build, damnit!
Even tho I still disagree with these claims - if Farmers play good and don't feed, they should be fine.
But as you wish. After all, if you want a balanced game, there still is the "-progame" mode...

I think i played really good , i had about 45 sell sword agencies ... but still no chances ;D

 

[BonerBoo]

Fountain bug

It must have been some kind of a strange bug. Let me know if it happens again!

As you wish.

Hunters can heal near fountains. it makes them undefeatable.

 

[neven1]

Yeah D=

 

[Mufanza]

I houp 3.0 is more balanced then previus verison!

I did nerf them a bit. I've already nerf'd them a bit more in 3.1, it'll be open soon!

I think i played really good , i had about 45 sell sword agencies ... but still no chances ;D

45 should be more than enough.
It might have been the fault of your teammates who fed them too much at early stages of the game. These are very important - you need to deny your buildings and chickens if they are found and it's also vital you don't die pointlessly.
What I see quite often is, when Hunters find out location of a Farmer, the Farmer doesn't abandon his base (denying all in his wake) but rather goes down with the ship. Even though his defenses can't possibly hold the Wolves at bay.
Basically, you're supposed to get impenetrable defenses at about 20-15 minutes. Then you focus on your Golem/Mercenaries.
I wish we could play together some time - then I would show you waht I mean :S

But, your complains still mean a lot and they will not go unheard I will make the Farmers a bit stronger in the next version.

 

[BonerBoo]

Thank you , you are reallly nice

i think we won't play together couse i play lithuanian private server.

But we could stay in contact , i really like playing and testing your map , only what is wrong : Hunter a little bit hard to kill , farmers just have no armies ... Golems are too weak, you can make golems stronger than a hunter , couse hunter can buy a lot of armies and build defensicve towers. multi towerts are overpowered ... 3 towrs , and we cant get to him ;/

hope you will understoon me ;D

 

[medin]

And will you remake map make bigger please and make some diferent places to buldi base and farms becuase hunters know what are we doing when are we doing

 

[BonerBoo]

I think map is preety big , sometimes hunter even can't find farmers for 15 min ...

 

[neven1]

And will you remake map make bigger please and make some diferent places to buldi base and farms becuase hunters know what are we doing when are we doing

Yeah i totally agree with that guy Hunters arleady know the all Classical Places so if you could make new palces that would be harder for them to find us i know this will take you some more time but i would be of greather help!

 

[Sheep]

Yeah i totally agree with that guy Hunters arleady know the all Classical Places so if you could make new palces that would be harder for them to find us i know this will take you some more time but i would be of greather help!

the same thing would just happen again.. i think its fine the way it is

 

[Mufanza]

But we could stay in contact , i really like playing and testing your map , only what is wrong : Hunter a little bit hard to kill , farmers just have no armies ... Golems are too weak, you can make golems stronger than a hunter , couse hunter can buy a lot of armies and build defensicve towers. multi towerts are overpowered ... 3 towrs , and we cant get to him ;/

Thanks man!
I might make Golem upgrades a bit stronger then.
Try siege-based abilities against towers (Oiled Boulder, Stomp).

And will you remake map make bigger please and make some diferent places to buldi base and farms becuase hunters know what are we doing when are we doing

I think Sheep is right on this one, it would just happen again after some time.
BUT I'm currently working on randomization elements and it looks pretty good! Basically, some parts of the map are different each time you play - entrances to different bases are at different locations and some trees are missing, making some new hiding spots as well.
Of course, this randomization is limited since you can't affect cliffs or minimap in-game, but should add some variety into each play nevertheless.

 

[BonerBoo]

New version ! Great... Testing it roght now !

 

[Mufanza]

Awesome!
Let me know if you think I've nerf'd the Hunters enough

 

[neven1]

Don't you think you are updateing this map too fast? ;o

 

[Lenura]

remove landmines, lay em next to a base, killl em, watch everything die. no argueing just remove them

 

[HKO2006]

Great map 5/5, hosting it all the day.

remove landmines, lay em next to a base, killl em, watch everything die. no argueing just remove them

I played both farmer and hunter around 10 times, landmines kill farmers who just killed and spawned. Also, mercenaries help you clean landmines too.

 

[Lenura]

if you think landmines are balanced i can give you a replay, they are overpowered as fuck. i rape bases with them (towers die with 3-4 mines with 10armortechs, tested with a friend) it is absolutely impossible for a hunter to lose this game. remove attribute bonus for something else, remove mines and give healingpotions a 3-4min cooldown, seriously. everytime i play hunter i win this game alone no problem because of good ward usage, overpowered mines (killing golems, bases, everything in a few seconds) and masshealpots =)

 

[Mufanza]

Don't you think you are updateing this map too fast? ;o

I thought that's only good - isn't it? :S

Great map 5/5, hosting it all the day.

Thanks dude!!!

(towers die with 3-4 mines with 10armortechs, tested with a friend)

I've never realized this.
I might remove it or nerf it hardly - we've never meant for this to happen.
What we had in mind was for farmers to check the inventory of Hunters to see if they have mines. And if yes, keep an eye on them if they lurk around the base too much. If they plant the mine, reveal and destroy it before it activates.

give healingpotions a 3-4min cooldown, seriously

I'll think about it!

everytime i play hunter i win this game alone

Me too It's because you're too good in this game now.
Play as a Farmer or get some good opponents!

 

[HKO2006]

Just a week and your map got cracked and translated into Chinese! Wondering if it is authorized or not. :S
Here is the release post: http://bbs.uuu9.com/redirect.php?tid=8630120&goto=lastpost
You can download the map here: http://war3down1.uuu9.com/war3/201207/201207290919.rar

As you can see they changed so many things like the loading screen. Also they translated the map in their own 'style' instead of respecting the creators, players and the map.

Here are some examples:

That Chinese sentence means that Please wait The creator is 'drunbiliting'(the present continuous tense of 'drunbility')

The pig now is named 'chrysanthemum pig' (asshole pig :|)

Just few pictures and things got changed, god knows what they did to the map (trying to 'balancing it' by adding imba new feature, etc)
Same thing had been done to Survival (cracking code system)
http://wc3survival.forums3.com/prison-the-brig/list-players-playing-chinese-map-t669.html
Dark Deeds 6 (adding imba content)
Werewolf - Transylvania (While the latest version is 1.23d, there is a Chinese version Werewolf - Transylvania 1.5!!!)
Will your map be come the next one on the list, IDK :|

 

[Mufanza]

Thanks for letting me know about this! I had a good laugh

I don't mind it tho, it's kind of a free ad... In a way... People might look for the real version over time.
I would actually give them the unprotected version had they asked.

edit: What does it say in the Loading Screen tho? I see they left out names there, so that's cool rite?

 

[HKO2006]

1. 游久網, a game site
2. 邪魔ご殿, the team the translator belongs to
3. 邪魔地圖研發小組, same above
4. 邪魔殿漢化, Demon temple translated
5. 獵人Vs農民, Hunter vs Farmer
6. Epic old map returned! Hunter: hunt farmers, protect yourself and survive.
Farmers: kill all hunters before time up.
This map was spoted on a foregin site, and I translated it. I dont know if this map is related to the map that got the same name.
Original creator: Mufanzor and Parafrazor
Translator: 邪魔ご鬼神
Then the site of his team and their QQ number.
The last sentence is plz follow our site closely to get the info about latest maps.

I am using the Trad Chinese and their using Simp Chinese, so it looks different.

edit: As a little map translator myself, I personally dont like changing the loading screen as creators make effort to make a nice loading screen like Avatar and Battle for Tatooine while they just change it into a stupid clone loading screen for them to promote themselves and take credits from the real owner.
It is hard to balance the friendliness for players to read against the original & real meaning/the way & word how creator presenting the idea to players tho. But I will never translate 'pig' into 'chrysanthemum pig'.

 

[Mufanza]

Well, it does seem like a dick move from their part, mainly if they changed some units as well (I hope not).
On the other hand, we remade the original Farmer vs Hunter without asking the original author (although this had a reason - he is nowhere to be found. Plus the whole map was remade from scratch so we're not really plagiarizing anything). Still, I can't mind this that much, even if I wanted to
But if it's just a translation they've changed then I'm actually glad - the map is getting played all over the world and that's cool

 

[Domica]

Hey man really nice map. Read ur pms plz.

 

[bladerdog]

Hi again mate. I guess we found a pretty big unbalancing in the game that ends the game for hunters in about 6 minutes. The farmers just build a ton of towers in the middle and around the fountain they hide there and the hunters can t do anything against them. We can t hunt them down because we die if we get to close and we can t feed if they do that so it makes the game quite pointless. Maybe adding a tower upgrade system or making a limit to the maximum towers you can build would solve the problem.

 

[bladerdog]

Sry for another comment but the map has become unplayable the farmers don t build walls anymore or hide at the beginning they just build a shitton of towers

 

[Mufanza]

Ooooh, that sounds big!
Hmmm, how could we fix this?

Should I make the Hunters invulnerable for like first 5 minutes of the game?
Or make both the Hunters and the Walls a lot stronger, so it forces the players to build Walls?
Or make the towers upgradeable only after some time?

What do you guys think?

edit: OK I went with the second line.

 

[HKO2006]

wow!
thx ur fast update speed, really love that
but after hosting 3.3 all day and being a hunter once & being a observer once (use GHost One and open computer 11)
I got complaints that basic towers are far too weak and Hunters too strong.
It makes Farmers impossible to defend themselves at the beginning.
Here is a replay
first one, I am a Hunter
View attachment FVH GD H1.w3g
second one,
View attachment FVH 3.3 Act 2.w3g

 

[medin]

Listen rednek Im big fan of your maps but there is a little problem why dont you edit the treess and evrything so we can sneak and hunters wont know wery good map we all play the same map make the map larger ?
Can you accept my chalange

 

[Mufanza]

I got complaints that basic towers are far too weak and Hunters too strong.
It makes Farmers impossible to defend themselves at the beginning.

Yep, the Farmers are not supposed to be able to defend themselves at first. In the first stages of the game, it's more about hide-and-seek that strategy.
It's even in the loading screen - I don't know how else should I tell this to people :S
This mechanic gives Hunters a chance to feed.
Thanks for those replays man - I've watched them and sadly couldn't see Farmer-team comments for some reason. But I think I know which were the raging ones
They all did the same mistake: massing weak basic towers -.- If only they upgraded them, then it could have at least chance to work!
I had to nerf the towers - it was necessary. As Bladerdog said earlier, the Farmers could mass them at start, which resulted in an instant win.

Anyway, those replays made me realize the Hunters might be still a bit too strong. I've nerf'd them a lot in the newest build, which is already up.

Listen rednek Im big fan of your maps but there is a little problem why dont you edit the treess and evrything so we can sneak and hunters wont know wery good map we all play the same map make the map larger ?
Can you accept my chalange

Thanks for the comment dude! I'm not sure what do you mean with the sneak-trees? Could you specify it further?
Anyway, you can simply chop your way through the woods if you fear about being seen - remember you can attack trees with the 'A' key!
About the map being the same every time: I've just uploaded the newest version (3.4b) that should take care of this problem. The map gets randomized at start, so every play should be a little bit different now

 

[WhatXTheXFunny]

i am a player in hko2006's game
this map is very good.
my English is poor. :$
i know the farmers in the first must hide.
but i am not sure about "upgraded towers"
it means spending $150 to upgrade towers attack or upgrade the towers to be Flame-Arrow Towers?
is that Flame-Arrow towers can deal more damage to hunter?
i know my English is really poor....

 

[HKO2006]

As I would like to report a unpathable area although there was no debris there. Maybe u already seen it in my replays.

 

[Mufanza]

this map is very good.

Thanks!

my English is poor. :$

Don't worry about that, we all went through that phase

but i am not sure about "upgraded towers"
it means spending $150 to upgrade towers attack or upgrade the towers to be Flame-Arrow Towers?
is that Flame-Arrow towers can deal more damage to hunter?

Definitively upgrade base towers first! Make either Flame-Arrow towers or, if you build on a cliff, Boulder Towers. Try to get at least one Flamethrower Tower and one Icy Tower.
You don't need to upgrade Tower Damage in the Research Centers - it only gets handy if you want to be extra safe or don't have much space in your base for a lot of towers. It's also good if you can get more than one Flamethrower Tower (Flamethrower Towers have fast attack speed so upgrading their damage can make them really powerful).

If you didn't understand this because of your English, remember it like this: Don't upgrade tower damage in Research Centers, make Flame-Arrow Towers instead

As I would like to report a unpathable area although there was no debris there. Maybe u already seen it in my replays.

That flew under my radar! Thanks for letting me know, I'll definitively fix it in the next build!

 

[medin]

But could you make a larger map to delete everything Completly everything NEW

 

[Mufanza]

That would be pointless - after some time, even the new map would get old.

 

[HKO2006]

Giving you some pics and a replay

View attachment FVH NO MERCY!.w3g

 

[HKO2006]

Now, some Farmers like to kill themselves when Hunters break in. That's no way for Hunter to get feed. I wonder if this is forbidden for Farmers or a secret trick to be a 'pro' and when everyone is doing this, Hunter got an excuse to enable -progame.

 

[Mufanza]

Hey!
I've watched that replay and didn't see anything un-ordinary in it. The Farmers got owned but only few of them could actually play well - had the green repaired his wall and purple payed more attention to sappers, it could have ended differently.
The Hunters did get a lot of units around the map, but they did get a lot of feed as well. Shared True Sight should counter this tho.
Also, why build Magic Walls? Farmers are immune to them

I've never meant for Farmers to be able to deny themselves. Do you think I should leave it there? Or how could I fix this?

 

[Sheep]

I've never meant for Farmers to be able to deny themselves. Do you think I should leave it there? Or how could I fix this?

i like to deny myself when the hunters break my wall
i think you should leave it there

 

[narosia]

this game is fun~

i'm korean users.
this game is popular in korean.
i want to add some
human skill,variety item,unit,game mode etc....
A lot to be desired~
i want this game is improve..

 

[Mufanza]

Thanks man! So good to hear this!
We want the same as you Hopefully, the map will grow and more stuff and choices will appear in it.

 

[narosia]

game play time so long!!

game play time 40min -> 20~30min please decrease!

 

[medin]

game play time 40min -> 20~30min please decrease!

Are you crazy I play hunter and always win on time i camp or make a base with peon lol it should be 50 min no decrease and make a new Map with all chnaged roks trees evrything ok ?

 

[Sheep]

Are you crazy I play hunter and always win on time i camp or make a base with peon lol it should be 50 min no decrease and make a new Map with all chnaged roks trees evrything ok ?

You will probably ask for a new map again in a month or two, if rednek does what you're asking him to..

What is your account id on Gameranger?

 

[WhatXTheXFunny]

Are you crazy I play hunter and always win on time i camp or make a base with peon lol it should be 50 min no decrease and make a new Map with all chnaged roks trees evrything ok ?

i think so
the time should be 50 min.
the map should be bigger.

 

[narosia]

Sometimes users use maphack....

i am very angry
maphack program is used to game.
so please maphack check program adopt in this game

 

[Mufanza]

please maphack check program adopt in this game

How can I do this?

 

[WhatXTheXFunny]

Bug!
if your Golem dead
and you can build more than one Golem before the 1st Golem finish

 

[narosia]

How can I do this?

hmm.....DO you know not?
korean map makers somtimes use maphack check program.
this used in game...

 

[narosia]

please add~maphack triger

maphack player is increasing this game...
this game is fun but maphack is made users angry