Faith of all psychopaths/sociopaths ?

[art2thecore]

A psychopath is an individual that CANNOT feel empathy, love, remorse and has no conscience. Some are born that way and some become like this after some accident. Most of them are narcissistic killers. If God says that everyone is accountable for their actions what is the faith of these individuals since God is the one that created them like this ? Take your pick on this...

 

[Edhel-dur]

A psychopath is an individual that CANNOT feel empathy, love, remorse and has no conscience. Some are born that way and some become like this after some accident. Most of them are narcissistic killers. If God says that everyone is accountable for their actions what is the faith of these individuals since God is the one that created them like this ? Take your pick on this...

Or they most likely sinned while in the their mom... Or or... one of their parents is gay, or both are gay, or bi-interested!
Anyway either one of his parents did something really bad in order for God to punish their children, or the child sinned in the belly.

At least that's what the Catholic Church says. (read American Firm Faith Believers who beat their wives to "teach" them).

 

[fladdermasken]

Some are born that way

Are these individuals really culpable?

If hypothetically I were to design a homing missile launcher and program it to target innocent baby kittens, who would you hold responsible?
Me or the homing device?

what is the faith of these individuals since God is the one that created them like this ?

I think Hakeem phrased it in a more interesting manner; Why would God knowingly create an individual who's deliberatly gunning for a permanent reservation in purgatory?

or the child sinned in the belly.

I heard chimerism constitutes stealing

 

[art2thecore]

Why would God knowingly create an individual who's deliberatly gunning for a permanent reservation in purgatory?

Actually purgatory is neither heaven nor hell, but something in between, but I get your point and that what puzzles me, unless there is no God.

Are these individuals really culpable?

If hypothetically I were to design a homing missile launcher and program it to target innocent baby kittens, who would you hold responsible?
Me or the homing device?

You of course...but that's what I'm saying, what's with all the God is great and he died for us and the bible when there are people like those that they don't even know they're committing sins. It's stupid. Some say it's because sin entered our lives with Adam and Eve. That's really more stupid, if we're all individuals then how come I or you have to pay for someone else's mistakes ? No wonder "God is Dead".

 

[diosilva16]

Most of them are narcissistic killers.

this is not true at all. psychopathies are common among murderers, but murderer behaviors are not that common among sociopaths and psychopaths.

 

[art2thecore]

this is not true at all. psychopathies are common among murderers, but murderer behaviors are not that common among sociopaths and psychopaths.

Studies show that they are. And it is the very traits of psychopathy + violent disposition + distorted sexual fantasies that makes up a killer.

 

[Edhel-dur]

Actually purgatory is neither heaven nor hell, but something in between, but I get your point and that what puzzles me, unless there is no God.

Not according to another religion which also believes in the Christian God.

 

[diosilva16]

nope, you misread those studies. studies show that many criminals display antisocial disorders, and undoubtedly, criminals may be more common among people who display antisocial disorders than perceived "regular" people, that doesn't mean tough that most people with antisocial disorders even commit crimes, let alone murder, just that they wouldn't feel remorse for committing one.

most psychopaths go through life without ever commiting a violent crime, they care little for the safety of others, but most have learned through their life that violent acts may get them in trouble, and an antisocial disposition doesn't make them innately more interested in causing harm to others, just less interested in not causing harm to others: they wouldn't go out of their way to hurt you, but they wouldn't go out of their way NOT to hurt you either
it's the violent disposition that makes a murderer, and not all, or even most, psychopaths have violent dispositions, and even among those who have, most have enough sense of self preservation to avoid committing a serious crime.

 

[art2thecore]

nope, you misread those studies. studies show that many criminals display antisocial disorders, and undoubtedly, criminals may be more common among people who display antisocial disorders than perceived "regular" people, that doesn't mean tough that most people with antisocial disorders even commit crimes, let alone murder, just that they wouldn't feel remorse for committing one.

most psychopaths go through life without ever commiting a violent crime, they care little for the safety of others, but most have learned through their life that violent acts may get them in trouble, and an antisocial disposition doesn't make them innately more interested in causing harm to others, just less interested in not causing harm to others: they wouldn't go out of their way to hurt you, but they wouldn't go out of their way NOT to hurt you either
it's the violent disposition that makes a murderer, and not all, or even most, psychopaths have violent dispositions, and even among those who have, most have enough sense of self preservation to avoid committing a serious crime.

You're right, I forgot that most of them can blend in and even though they are an emotional wreck and have the emotional maturity of a two year old, most are very intelligent and figure out how to make best use of their situation and to preserve themselves since that is the most persistent trait of narcissism which is found in psychopaths... To actually commit murder there is need of a trigger that sets of the criminal behavior...am I wrong ? But we're getting off topic (no pun intended)...

 

[diosilva16]

no problem. it's a common misconception that all psychopaths are murderers, this is not the case, though, Robert Hare estimates that 1 percent of the US population are psychopaths. i know a diagnosed sociopath, she's the kind of person that wouldn't let you borrow her notes or help you carry a heavy box up the stairs, or even reach you the pen you just dropped, but i don't believe she has any urges to murder. she's a great artist, tough.
well, i cannot answer anything more ontopic than this, as i don't believe in god, but i do believe you meant "fate" as in destiny, instead of "faith" as in belief

 

[art2thecore]

...meant "fate" as in destiny, instead of "faith" as in belief

Lol, right again...I must be sleepy...

 

[The_wand_mirror]

The only plausible answer to that question is that you have to consider that god might not exist or if does exist he might be a psychopath himself!

Because he just doesn't care lol.

 

[Gilles]

Or they most likely sinned while in the their mom... Or or... one of their parents is gay, or both are gay, or bi-interested!
Anyway either one of his parents did something really bad in order for God to punish their children, or the child sinned in the belly.

At least that's what the Catholic Church says. (read American Firm Faith Believers who beat their wives to "teach" them).

No. That is definitely not what the Catholic Church teaches. In fact that belief is something the Church has fought against for centuries.

Note: I googled American Firm Faith Believers, nothing came up.

Are these individuals really culpable?

If hypothetically I were to design a homing missile launcher and program it to target innocent baby kittens, who would you hold responsible?
Me or the homing device?

You compare an inanimate object with a reasoning human being. Although their reason might be skewed or unnatural, they still have a choice, unlike a missile launcher.

 

[diosilva16]

actually, aside from child molesting preachers, catholic church tends to be rather tame when compared to some protestant sects of christianity popular in the states... i'd take a catholic ultraconservative over any other kind of christian conservative the united states have to offer

 

[Belgarath]

umm, isn't asking what faith these individuals would have asking what set of beliefs they would have / that general direction? Because it doesn't seem to me as though anyone really went anywhere near there, rather picking apart bits of the question and assuming that they are all Christians/some sub-variety of Christians...

well to me a psychopath would either:
1) Probably have no kind of religion, being the kind of darker type that, because they having no emotions (roughly termed), simply do not care or seek for a higher meaning or an order in religious activities. A lot of people seek structure, love, families or all sorts of things in religion, but really, seeing as these individuals cannot have such bonds and emotions such as love, they would not normally seek them, however:
2) Some WOULD seek them because of the fact that they do not exist for them, and therefore go into any kind of Christian or whatever religion that provides such bonds of love and fulfillment to one's being. Even if, theoretically, they cannot have them, that definitely does not stop them from seeking it, right? Of course, if they were all killers, maybe they seek to destroy such things from others since they cannot have it; carrying out their 'revenge' on an unfair world or whatever you may call it. Therefore this would be again the lack of religion.
3) Any kind of religion involving balance. If these people seek religion to explain why they exist/why they are the way that they are, balance could potentially be a major reason for their existence in their mind - assuming these individuals seek that kind of fulfillment from religion. For the easy lives of people, there must be hard, for good, evil, etc.; they could see their existence of emotionless people as part of God's (whichever God/s they may choose to believe in here) plan for the world and embrace the fact that they are created, as is any other person, for a purpose, thereby justifying themselves and giving them a 'reason' to exist, proving to themselves that they are not simply abominations of nature simply due to the lack of emotional capability.

of course i may be way off with all this. but yeah

 

[Edhel-dur]

No. That is definitely not what the Catholic Church teaches. In fact that belief is something the Church has fought against for centuries.

Note: I googled American Firm Faith Believers, nothing came up.

Well, I somehow stumbled upon some religious forums a long time ago, filled with americans (as the Location was shown, and all of them resided in USA), and they kept saying

"if you have Aids, than you did something gay or are gay, Aids is the punishment God gives to people who are gay"

"but I'm not gay, i didn't even kiss a guy"

"maybe you did something over the internet! God works in mysterious ways"

Like seriously the forum was full of stuff like this, that God created all these incurable diseases and malformations in order to punish those who sin.

I remember this thread started by a guy who was getting married soonish and he asked "Guys, after I will be married, when can I beat up my wife and teach her the ways of the Lord", it was hilarious as it was sad. Thing is, everyone was positive towards his desire to beat up his wife if she forgets to add cheese to his sandwiches. Someone was like "First time I beat my wife was..." I was shocked that these kind of people and these kind of communities exists. I named them AAFB just because it suited them, I forgot however their forum name. And it was not a forum made for lulz, there were lots of people with 6000 posts or so. Oh and they were all Catholic, that's why I added the Catholic part in there. If you were an Orthodox, oh screw you, your going to Hell.

I didn't want to offend anyone here on THW, it's just that question in doubt seemed as silly as that religious forum.

I feel like there is so much inconsistency in religion, that it's not worth debating about it, and questions like the one OP asked... it's so obvious what the answer is.

Either God is non-existent or he likes to play the Sims (= "Hmm, today I will create a baby, he's main trait will be that of a psychopath.. let's see we place him over here, amongst society and between rich people... okay... now I'm going to get a Pizza and check back to see if he has been shot-dead, arrested or leads a normal life by the law".)

 

[diosilva16]

that doesn't sound like catholics at all, you must be misremembering.

 

[HFR]

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Heh, funny thing, I'm a catholic and I don't believe in any of this stuff.

 

[Tyranid]

Well, I somehow stumbled upon some religious forums a long time ago, filled with americans (as the Location was shown, and all of them resided in USA), and they kept saying

"if you have Aids, than you did something gay or are gay, Aids is the punishment God gives to people who are gay"

"but I'm not gay, i didn't even kiss a guy"

"maybe you did something over the internet! God works in mysterious ways"

Like seriously the forum was full of stuff like this, that God created all these incurable diseases and malformations in order to punish those who sin.

I remember this thread started by a guy who was getting married soonish and he asked "Guys, after I will be married, when can I beat up my wife and teach her the ways of the Lord", it was hilarious as it was sad. Thing is, everyone was positive towards his desire to beat up his wife if she forgets to add cheese to his sandwiches. Someone was like "First time I beat my wife was..." I was shocked that these kind of people and these kind of communities exists. I named them AAFB just because it suited them, I forgot however their forum name. And it was not a forum made for lulz, there were lots of people with 6000 posts or so. Oh and they were all Catholic, that's why I added the Catholic part in there. If you were an Orthodox, oh screw you, your going to Hell.

I didn't want to offend anyone here on THW, it's just that question in doubt seemed as silly as that religious forum.

I feel like there is so much inconsistency in religion, that it's not worth debating about it, and questions like the one OP asked... it's so obvious what the answer is.

Either God is non-existent or he likes to play the Sims (= "Hmm, today I will create a baby, he's main trait will be that of a psychopath.. let's see we place him over here, amongst society and between rich people... okay... now I'm going to get a Pizza and check back to see if he has been shot-dead, arrested or leads a normal life by the law".)

I'm going out on a limb here and guess you found the Landover Baptist Church http://www.landoverbaptist.net/? .

And just so you know, the whole forum is nothing more than satire, trolls trolling trolls, so to speak.

 

[HFR]

I'm going out on a limb here and guess you found the Landover Baptist Church http://www.landoverbaptist.net/? .

And just so you know, the whole forum is nothing more than satire, trolls trolling trolls, so to speak.

But isn't it too obvious to be mistaken for a "serious" site? Awards like "Puncher of Queers", "Ex-Brit" and "Ex-Masturbator" should give a clue.

 

[Tyranid]

But isn't it too obvious to be mistaken for a "serious" site? Awards like "Puncher of Queers", "Ex-Brit" and "Ex-Masturbator" should give a clue.

Some people are simply incredibly dense.

 

[Edhel-dur]

Yeah I think that's the one.

Dunno it was some years ago, maybe 2-3. Back then I don't remember being so many awards. But yeah, it's not catholic, it was "true christian". I'll fix it.

Either way the entire forum seems very silly and I stand by my last two points.

 

[HFR]

Either way the entire forum seems very silly and I stand by my last two points.

The point of the site is being silly. It's a satire.

 

[The World Is Flat]

Mhmmmm... little boy's T-Shirts.

Inspiring!

 

[redscores]

Seriously, people which believe try to connect everything with their illusion of a greater being (or just: "god"). They don't believe in the people, they believe they are controlled by someone greater who will rescue them or watch over them.

Psychopaths and Sociopaths are people like you and me who had horrible times in their life and they lost all hope and all orientation in society. They follow their own ways and don't care for other people, that is nothing about god let alone a punishment of god, it is just society failing in terms of humanity.

 

[Tyranid]

Seriously, people which believe try to connect everything with their illusion of a greater being (or just: "god"). They don't believe in the people, they believe they are controlled by someone greater who will rescue them or watch over them.

Psychopaths and Sociopaths are people like you and me who had horrible times in their life and they lost all hope and all orientation in society. They follow their own ways and don't care for other people, that is nothing about god let alone a punishment of god, it is just society failing in terms of humanity.

 

[Magtheridon96]

According to landoverbaptist.com, all swedes are evil.
shiiK and The_Reborn_Devil are going to kill us all! D:
It's true cause it was on the interwebz!! D:

 

[Direfury]

Satan save us all.

 

[The World Is Flat]

I'm half swede.

Apparently in Sweden, when you go to church, you engage in satanic orgies.

 

[Direfury]

Don't start with out me.

 

[The World Is Flat]

I wouldn't dare.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

Spychopaths just need to be inserted in the machine for minced meat, it is that simple...

 

[The World Is Flat]

How dare you. Some Spychopaths just play TF2.

 

[diosilva16]

not all spychopaths are criminals

 

[The World Is Flat]

not all spychopaths are criminals

Some spychopaths get jobs with the Russian government. or the NSA.