Dwarven Miner (variative)

[General Frank]

This is a neat model edit, but as of right now it has too many warning in sanity checker.
Please try to fix most of them. Sanity Test

 

[Villagerino]

Roger.

 

[General Frank]

There are still some issues with the model.
The pick in Stand - 3 just simple disappears instead of being attached to the belt of the miner.

 

[Villagerino]

This is a neat model edit, but as of right now it has too many warning in sanity checker.
Please try to fix most of them. Sanity Test

Sempai, I reduced the warnings count from 98 to 0. Figured out what were that 'track' things and got rid of them successfully:

Spoiler: Sanity Test

Thanks for pointing this out!

 

[General Frank]

Sempai, I reduced the warnings count from 98 to 0. Figured out what were that 'track' things and got rid of them successfully:

Spoiler: sanity test

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Thanks for pointing this out for me!

Never call me Sempai again. I find it gross.
Good green errors are not too bad, but if you remove them it might save disk space.

 

[Villagerino]

The model has been updated.

Good green errors are not too bad, but if you remove them it might save disk space.

Didn't know that vanilla models have such problems as well, like Peon or Rifleman have tonns of errors.

Spoiler

Considering that they are stable, is there any reason, despite of saving a couple of bits, to painstakingly examine each green track of 64 in detail, even if I knew how to do it?

 

[General Frank]

No, you don't have to fix all of them.
I assume you export the models with RMS? You might want to convert them to the 800 version.
What you have is a 1000 mdx version. That might show more errors because of that.

 

[Villagerino]

No, you don't have to fix all of them.
I assume you export the models with RMS? You might want to convert them to the 800 version.
What you have is a 1000 mdx version. That might show more errors because of that.

Yes, I was using RMS.
Thank you, I will try to convert.

EDIT: the conversion has resulted into 6 more warnings, unfortunately.

 

[Villagerino]

No, you don't have to fix all of them.

I have significantly reduced the number of unused tracks in each model, leaving only a few that make the model lie motionless after death.

I left the second portrait with the hard helmet with negative extents because it is a clean copy of the initial portrait that does not have negative extents in the same geoset (somehow), besides, as GhostWolf said here, this case does not affect WE.

Fixed the Stand-3 animation by deleting it.

Retested all the animations, checked the models in game, re-uploaded the files.

 

[General Frank]

I have significantly reduced the number of unused tracks in each model, leaving only a few that make the model lie motionless after death.

I left the second portrait with the hard helmet with negative extents because it is a clean copy of the initial portrait that does not have negative extents in the same geoset (somehow), besides, as GhostWolf said here, this case does not affect WE.

Fixed the Stand-3 animation by deleting it.

Retested all the animations, checked the models in game, re-uploaded the files.

I would have preferred that you'd fix the animation instead of deleting it, but I guess in the future you'd probably will be able to do that too.
Errors in portraits are not too drastic as long as it does not reduce oeverall quality and function and bloats the space of the model.

 

[Villagerino]

I would have preferred that you'd fix the animation instead of deleting it, but I guess in the future you'd probably will be able to do that too.
Errors in portraits are not too drastic as long as it does not reduce oeverall quality and function and bloats the space of the model.

Yeah, sometime later I figured out how to fix it, but was too late I believe, it's about momentarily changing the size of the pickaxe, or am I wrong?
Anyways, the model still has enough Stand animations, so I thought that deleting it would be ok.

 

[General Frank]

Yeah, sometime later I figured out how to fix it, but was too late I believe, it's about momentarily changing the size of the pickaxe, or am I wrong?
Anyways, the model still has enough Stand animations, so I thought that deleting it would be ok.

It has less than the regular peasant model, but the artistic choice is yours.
It has to do with geoset animations by the way.

 

[deepstrasz]

Fact is, this doesn't look like a dwarf but more as a Norseman. The legs and hands should be smaller as the other dwarf units have them. Right now, it's a peasant with a dwarven head.

 

[Villagerino]

Fact is, this doesn't look like a dwarf but more as a Norseman. The legs and hands should be smaller as the other dwarf units have them. Right now, it's a peasant with a dwarven head.

I politely disagree. Dwarfs have quite big work-weary hands like on this picture from WOW and this art. They are also quite stocky compared to the rest Warcraft 3 models. If you use your Scaling Value correctly (just to make their heads look the same size) you will see the point:

The model has shorter and wider legs and chest by default, as well as the neck, even if you do not scale it down.

Spoiler: spoiler

Btw, it has the copy of Rifleman's legs, not the Peasant's.

 

[General Frank]

I politely disagree. Dwarfs have quite big work-weary hands like on this picture from WOW and this art. They are also quite stocky compared to the rest Warcraft 3 models. If you use your Scaling Value correctly (just to make their heads look the same size) you will see the point:
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The model has shorter and wider legs and chest by default even if you do not scale it down.

You are totally right on that.
Although it would not be bad to make your model look even more unique. Right now it looks a bit too similar to the rifleman on the legs.

 

[deepstrasz]

I politely disagree. Dwarfs have quite big work-weary hands like on this picture from WOW and this art. They are also quite stocky compared to the rest Warcraft 3 models.

I wasn't referring to the limb and body width/thickness but to the fact that dwarves have shorter limbs as you can see in the WoW screenshot you linked.
But I guess it doesn't really matter since the game doesn't have consistent proportions, not only between races but also among the same race:

Spoiler

 

[Villagerino]

I wasn't referring to the limb and body width/thickness but to the fact that dwarves have shorter limbs as you can see in the WoW screenshot you linked.
But I guess it doesn't really matter since the game doesn't have consistent proportions, not only between races but also among the same race:

Spoiler

View attachment 385125

Yes, they don't have consistent proportions, that's why when you make it custom it looks ok. However, I've changed the proportions and you can make your model even smaller at any time.

You are totally right on that.
Although it would not be bad to make your model look even more unique. Right now it looks a bit too similar to the rifleman on the legs.

Well, it's a matter of taste of course, but there I intended to make almost a vanilla unit to get a feeling like the model was always there in the game, just like I noticed in the description.
Thus, I wanted it to have WC3 Dwarven details to make it a part of their 'army' like they have almost the same uniform and I was trying to use only regular and 'signature' parts of the game like another variation of light armor. At start, I wasn't even sure about the hard helmet For me this detail makes it quite original as no workers have team-colored heads plus they don't have a flashlight
If you say it doesn't look unique enough but fits nicely then my goal is achieved

 

[General Frank]

Well, it's a matter of taste of course, but there I intended to make almost a vanilla unit to get a feeling like the model was always there in the game, just like I noticed in the description.
Thus, I wanted it to have WC3 Dwarven details to make it a part of their 'army' like they have almost the same uniform and I was trying to use only regular and 'signature' parts of the game like another variation of light armor. At start, I wasn't even sure about the hard helmet For me this detail makes it quite original as no workers have team-colored heads plus they don't have a flashlight
If you say it doesn't look unique enough but fits nicely then my goal is achieved

That's fair, but you cannot that expect it to be put in simple/useful category.

 

[Villagerino]

That's fair, but you cannot that expect it to be put in simple/useful category.

It's ok
That's why I asked your permission to change your Dwarven Axethrower model because for me it was a perfect example of a lore-friendly model But if you let me I wouldn't learn so much for sure
However, I also changed the mimics and the face sculpture to make it more vanilla but enough to distinguish to have a custom icon.

Spoiler

Meanwhile your axethrower doesn't have an original face

 

[General Frank]

It's ok
That's why I asked your permission to change your Dwarven Axethrower model because for me it was a perfect example of a lore-friendly model But if you let me I wouldn't learn so much for sure

I didn't let you edit it and upload it because I don't know you. I aslo think doing the hard work yourself is better in the long run.

 

[Villagerino]

I aslo think doing the hard work yourself is better in the long run.

True.
As a solo mapmaker I couldn't hope for custom models by requests for an unknown person like me (I've been around here for like 8 years but till now I even haven't had an acccount). I lacked some units to build up my map as it is based on different races: the units should look and perform like they were born from one tribe and they go to the same stylist, this is very important. This also applies to icons.
So, I'm here not to become a rated modeller or something but just to share some material with the community for their projects just in case, because I can. An example for me is Jacouille who made Island Troll Tribes, his map is open and models, no matter how they look, help people with content.

 

[General Frank]

True.
As a solo mapmaker I couldn't hope for custom models by requests for an unknown person like me (I've been around here for like 8 years but till now I even haven't had an acccount). I lacked some units to build up my map as it is based on different races: the units should look and perform like they were born from one tribe and they go to the same stylist, this is very important.
So, I'm here not to become a rated modeller or something but just to share some material with the community for their project just in case, because I can. An example for me is Jacouille who created Island Troll Tribes, his map is open and models, no matter what they look like, help people with the content.

That is a very honourable aim and I fully support that.

 

[Villagerino]

That is a very honourable aim and I fully support that.

Thank you!
You are also a great example of an experienced mentor for me when it comes to modeling that's why I called you semp * caugh *
Now I know how useful basic modelling skills are, in addition, it turned out to be quite entertaining. I used to think I would never try it.

 

[Tuwnew]

Hello,

I wanted to try your model, but it didn't show up in-game. So I tried opening it with Retera Model Studio and errors are popping up instead.
So I can't make it work. Any tips ?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/808289493882896424/876431559102697472/unknown.png

 

[Villagerino]

Hello,

I wanted to try your model, but it didn't show up in-game. So I tried opening it with Retera Model Studio and errors are popping up instead.
So I can't make it work. Any tips ?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/808289493882896424/876431559102697472/unknown.png

I'm using RMS as well. Hmm... Try this out, different format.

 

[General Frank]

I'm using RMS as well. Hmm... Try this out, different format.

You should start uploading version 800 mdx then from now on.
Less problem for everybody.

 

[Tuwnew]

I'm using RMS as well. Hmm... Try this out, different format.

It works!

I was able to load it and save it again in mdx format. I don't know why though. Thanks!

 

[General Frank]

It works!

I was able to load it and save it again in mdx format. I don't know why though. Thanks!

Probably because the former model was broken or a format 1000 version model.

 

[Villagerino]

Re-uploaded in mdx 800 format.

 

[General Frank]

Please add a proper in-game screenshot to the model.

 

[General Frank]

A very fine and neatly done model edit with good use of in-game meshes and textures.
Good job.

 

[Chiron]

An icon with helmet please?

 

[Villagerino]

It is with helmet, only the flash light is beyond the view angle. I made it in the classic style of Warcraft with a blue color spot and see no need to rework it.

I'm not an icon maker though: here's a user-friendly tool on Hive for making icons or you can leave your request in the relevant forum threads

@Chiron

 

[AlanSpirand]

Perfect for both dwarven workers in melee and grumpy old villagers in roleplaying games.