Diablo III Warcraft Beta v1.19b

[Waterwalk]

Log information appears in single player only. The log is only used to show game messages in single player and your own messages. In multiplayer it simply log the players messages. I think that is what causes it. (if it still doesnt work, be sure that you are in single player not b.net or local area network)

Well its not rly important for me....i think the best solution would be just display the note until a hero is picked.

again youo overlooked my last two comments which were meant to seriously help you

can anyone help this poor person and btw i hate your name...PALAS FOREVER!!!

 

[CloudMax]

again youo overlooked my last two comments which were meant to seriously help you

Are you talking about this?

its just black on the minimap. that makes the dungeon fealing more exciting and you wont see inv sys.

Cus i forgot to reply on that and well. The inventory hides when you enter and leave it and camera is locked, right? (Correct me if im wrong).
People mention that the inv wont be on the minimap (it has never been) but people does not complain on the faqs that the old hero pick area is still ingame (i think..) and that you can see a huge white spot in the upper right corner.

pffh, and make another thing. you can set in the map options something like show unseen areas or such which is most likely checked. uncheck it and be surprised: you will not be able to see the maps unexplored areas anymore. its just black on the minimap. that makes the dungeon fealing more exciting and you wont see inv sys.

What is the minimap good for anyway? Seriusly. You wont get lost in the map and you just have to follow the road expect in one place, the start where you have to open the gate.

I think CW will do like you said in the second quote anyway.
AND, i didnt ignore you at all, that is CWs job, im working on the inventory now.

 

[CloudWolf]

Heya! Sorry for the long reply I was out giving blood

I had a go at making him use the charge animation for 1.17, but couldnt wory out how to do it xD However, I'll try my best to have it done for 1.18 as its definately a good idea.

As for the Thousand Pounder, I'm working on making him slightly more dynamic as we speak I agree that it needs some work, as right now all he does is stand and attack which gets very repetative

Ty for the feedback!

Are you talking about those answers? Or did I miss something else? :S

Also, replying to your post above, I'm going to keep the fog-of-war the way it is After re-watching the diablo III videos, I noticed that there are no completely black areas and i want to stick to the gameplay trailers as much as possible

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Another thing i noticed while watching the video was that while using various spells, the camera began shaking This could easily be incorporated into some of the maps spells too

 

[Palaslayer]

with some luck i can finish the rework of my charge template today evening and you can use it though you can use the present version as well

what about that?

 

[redmarine]

Why are you guys quoting your own quotes? Thread bug?

LTGH, could you come on MSN please? I'd like to chat with you.

 

[Ninja_Duels]

I will make this map for 3 players and harder.
Me and 2 m8s win this map only us.

 

[saphiree]

do that. Just remember to put a "Created by Cloud Wolf, modded by Ninja Duels" quest

 

[Palaslayer]

i think about gathering all my recent important feedback in one big post. shall i? xD

 

[redmarine]

i think about gathering all my recent important feedback in one big post. shall i? xD

Sounds like a good idea to me. Usually they get a lot more attention.

 

[CloudMax]

i think about gathering all my recent important feedback in one big post. shall i? xD

If its less then 100 rows its fine for me.
And well, no reason in posting the stuff we have responded to. If i posted all my posts in this thread it would be a few hundreds of rows since i have over 500 posts in this thread.

 

[Palaslayer]

May i suggest something more? i know i did some review before but i think you missed one idea of mine that i told cw a while back.

The last boss, siegebreaker, moves in very slowly. i think this is ridiculous because you could do something much more impressive without much work. else i want to say that bossfights could be more interesting as they sometimes do not much more than attacking. therefore a few suggestions:

-the last boss could charge in and get some autocast spells
-the fat boss (forgot how he is called, some girls are sacrificed for him) does some really cool things in the d3 gameplay trailer, like going into a rage and then charging to players, knocking back a little and so on


I already heard that you are improving hero skills by triggering them from now on instead of just working with the object idea and i can only appreciate and recommend the progress the map does though you will have to notice that sometimes the small things make a game. even if they are only eyecatchers and no actually important things to the gameplay they add a lot of style to a game and players will love it.
that might also be one reason why diablo 2 which is a very old game is still so popular that it is under the 10 most played games (2007 or 2008).
My suggestion: work on the gameplay - make it faster and more interesting.



yeah, saphiree, the bosses could have more abilities, not only events in the surroundings.
else what about some general events in the dungeon? make it more questlike.
something like rocks falling down from top of you, crashing bridges, whatever.



with some luck i can finish the rework of my charge template today evening and you can use it though you can use the present version as well


you can set in the map options something like show unseen areas or such which is most likely checked. uncheck it and be surprised: you will not be able to see the maps unexplored areas anymore. its just black on the minimap. that makes the dungeon fealing more exciting and you wont see inv sys.

ok just copied everything in a big quote tag hf ^^

 

[saphiree]

The boss thing i have already replied on. But well to the other sutff. And btw, i think i say LTGH is right. Theese big ones gets much more attention

The gameplay thing i agree with. It gets quite boring when you've first completed this map once. And even the first time its kinda boring just to run around and kill creeps. the idea with adding something is good. I just dont know what it could be.

Templates i dont really have anything to say about...

Covering the whole map in darkness is in my oppinion not needed. The cam is locked to the heroes anyway, so its not necerssary to waste time on it. And as the other said, it's good to navigate after in the first part of the map.

 

[CloudMax]

The gameplay thing i agree with. It gets quite boring when you've first completed this map once. And even the first time its kinda boring just to run around and kill creeps. the idea with adding something is good. I just dont know what it could be.

*Rolling on floor laughing*!!! I have played this map up to 25 times minimum. Well, i do get a little bored but what can i do about it xP

ok just copied everything in a big quote tag hf ^^

I dont have time to reply now since i have to sleep but i will tommorow if you want.

 

[saphiree]

*Rolling on floor laughing*!!! I have played this map up to 25 times minimum. Well, i do get a little bored but what can i do about it xP

Yeah, it might get quite hard, but you could try doing it with random events?

 

[Palaslayer]

hm, ok, if i should offer some ideas. after u added new skills for all chars which will make it alot more interesting i gueess with jump, teleport, disintegrate, whirlwind and so on as well as disease cloud of the which doctor you can add environmental events like in the d3 gameplay trailer. e.g. with a gui video event you can make the screen shake (earthquake) maybe before 'something is in here'.

-add some rock falling from above which you have to escape or which causes trouble with the terrain (use some destructibles to destroy )
-yeah, still more boss abilities (auto cast - you can make normal abilities auto-castable as well so do not worry, there is a guide)

hm, more ^^

 

[saphiree]

would be awesome! Just the map wont be to big size

 

[Palaslayer]

it will not change a lot cuz of some triggers and a destrucatable or two.

 

[saphiree]

Lol redmarine. WTF is that for picture! XD *lmao* XD

 

[redmarine]

Lol redmarine. WTF is that for picture! XD *lmao* XD

That's a picture of me which I use on Live Messenger. It was taken long time ago but as The Pirate Bay kinda lost I thought I could use it to show my stance in the case.

 

[Palaslayer]

aha. looks kinda. weird. i guess. eh?

 

[CloudMax]

That is what i call off-topic :S
Use visitor messages insted.
Its anoying that i get here to check new posts and all i find is off-topic posts.
Please stay on-topic, i beg all of you.
Thnx.

 

[saphiree]

okay mr. serious XD We shall ^^
anyways, when is that inventory system rdy? Its been really long since there was an update.
Also, are you going to make the boss fights more funny in the next fight? Or do we have to wait longer ?

 

[redmarine]

Well, the progress on the new inventory has been quite slow but we're getting things done. I and LTGH tested the system yesterday and we found a lot of bugs which needed to be addressed. Luckily only 1 known bug remains which is duelwielding the same items causes conflict in the system. Anyway, the chest armour, weapon, duelwield, potions, ress, legging are all useable now.

The system has finally been playable since yesterday. I'm not sure if it'll be released for 1.18 but I'm highly certain it'll be in the map for version 1.19.

 

[Hadhafang]

Amazing job, played it with Cloud yesterday and it was a brilliant map. What can I say.

5/5

 

[Arguseye]

This is one of the best ive seen for a beta
1-terraning is better than any ive seen although there are a few things here and there
---one would be the bridges, you just need a way to see them while they are in the fog stil cause some places are hard to navigate the first time because of it

2-The abilities could use some work but they are already great for the pourpaces they have
---Ive never been able to figure it out, but there is a way to allow you to add stats every level like in diablo
---If you can eventually get an ability tree to work like in diablo 1 and 2 with a bunch of abilities it would create a diablo feel also(still not sure how to do that either)

3-The units are nice but they always can be altered no matter how good a map is
---if you watch the real diablo 3 gameplay trailer for this starting area you notice that enemies crawl up the walls
-----a way you could create that yould be to make some of them have an air movement type but adjust the height so that they are on the ground still and keep their target type as ground(this creates the crawling up the wall effect)

4-It would be nice if you could delay the part where you find cain and turn it into a short cut scene where you go over to him and talk for a few seconds say have transmishions for the text and then have the enemies charge in and tell cain its time for killing (or whatever it said),after the last transmishion stop the cutscene
---It would give a better rpg feeling
---also force enable the subtitles because not everyone has them enabled

5- When the thousand pounder boss starts to run make sure you send a game message that tells the players wether they should follow because some poeple wont follow it unless you tell them to
---i know how stupid that sounds but you need something to do it wether is is obvious or not

6-on a side note, I was wondering what editor/addon you were using cause this seems a little tricky to do on the original world editor
---if you want to email instead of posting a comment you can email me at [email protected] (make sure you put warcraft 3 in the name or i might delete it)

otherwise im shocked at how well this is made and look forward to what it will become in the future

 

[CloudWolf]

This is one of the best ive seen for a beta
1-terraning is better than any ive seen although there are a few things here and there
---one would be the bridges, you just need a way to see them while they are in the fog stil cause some places are hard to navigate the first time because of it

2-The abilities could use some work but they are already great for the pourpaces they have
---Ive never been able to figure it out, but there is a way to allow you to add stats every level like in diablo
---If you can eventually get an ability tree to work like in diablo 1 and 2 with a bunch of abilities it would create a diablo feel also(still not sure how to do that either)

3-The units are nice but they always can be altered no matter how good a map is
---if you watch the real diablo 3 gameplay trailer for this starting area you notice that enemies crawl up the walls
-----a way you could create that yould be to make some of them have an air movement type but adjust the height so that they are on the ground still and keep their target type as ground(this creates the crawling up the wall effect)

4-It would be nice if you could delay the part where you find cain and turn it into a short cut scene where you go over to him and talk for a few seconds say have transmishions for the text and then have the enemies charge in and tell cain its time for killing (or whatever it said),after the last transmishion stop the cutscene
---It would give a better rpg feeling
---also force enable the subtitles because not everyone has them enabled

5- When the thousand pounder boss starts to run make sure you send a game message that tells the players wether they should follow because some poeple wont follow it unless you tell them to
---i know how stupid that sounds but you need something to do it wether is is obvious or not

6-on a side note, I was wondering what editor/addon you were using cause this seems a little tricky to do on the original world editor
---if you want to email instead of posting a comment you can email me at [email protected] (make sure you put warcraft 3 in the name or i might delete it)

otherwise im shocked at how well this is made and look forward to what it will become in the future

Yea, ill admit it still needs some work to make it play out a out smoother

For 1.18, im going to ensure that all boss fight have to be battled out in the boss room In fights such as the thousand pounder, players can lure him out of the area which messes it up a bit So basically, Ill stick some sort of forcefield in the stop players from running which should help to make it less confusing

As for the tech tree, i decided to keep to the default warcraft interface for skills. I find theres nothing worse than starting a new warcraft 3 map and having to learn yet another new system :S However, you might have noticed the "Fury" points for the barbarian. When these reach 5, you get a combo ability. I was thinking of adding a similar combo system in for the other classes which should make fights slightly more dynamic

While I am trying to replicate diablo III, I still want the map to be easy for warcraft players to understand

As for the Cain cutscene, thats a really neat idea I don't know why i didnt think of it before It would certainly give players a heads up to whatevers coming up.

Finally, the bridge bug has been around since i put them in :S I'm still trying to figure out why they dont show, unless you can see their origin xD

Ty for the review +rep!

 

[Destin]

The only thing I don't like is relying on a healer to survive.
I'd remove the healing ability all together, it's just not what Diablo is about.
My experience is limited to solo and duo though, I haven't played it with anymore than 1 other person, so the difficulty may drastically change when you can rely on someone else to run in and tank for a while. I don't think it would be very playable with barbarian / wizard duo either.

But I did enjoy the map a lot, look forward to future versions.

 

[Arguseye]

Bug found
-Sheild of inteligence (handheld) can be picked up by barbarian even though it is a wiz/witch only item
----it does however say that barbarians cant pick it up when you pick it up
-I suggest testing this with all items
*Edit: Fuller testing with the item in question reveals that, while you can pick it up and use it for awhile and have a temporary mana bonus, as soon as you are hit with an attack you drop it: however when you pick it up you get an extra 40 mana which you can exploit by using whirlwind many times and thus healing yourself in a semi cheat way

your probably right about the abilities and i did love the barbarian frenzy thing

and thanks for responding its nice to feel like ive helped

 

[Oziris]

Will the inventory screen be for more then 1 player or only for 1 player?

 

[Arguseye]

ok, i have some ideas

im going to try and make some mods to improve the abilities and make them more like the ones found here Diablo III and do some terrain modding to create the destructible terrain blizzard is so proud of, then illl add in the cutscenes i was talking about/keep the players pinned in for the boss fights like you were talking about, and maby make the gouls that walk up the walls and such, save it, then send it to you and you can tell me what you think.

 

[The_Silent]

ok, i have some ideas

im going to try and make some mods to improve the abilities and make them more like the ones found here Diablo III and do some terrain modding to create the destructible terrain blizzard is so proud of, then illl add in the cutscenes i was talking about/keep the players pinned in for the boss fights like you were talking about, and maby make the gouls that walk up the walls and such, save it, then send it to you and you can tell me what you think.

Ive alreade made the witch doctor spells some time ago, they just need to get imported in the map.

 

[Arguseye]

Ive alreade made the witch doctor spells some time ago, they just need to get imported in the map.

i could always mess around with it in the current vershion and wait for 1.18, test that, find issues tell you about then and try and fix them and send the map to you, right now im doing the destructable terrain idea and i think i know a way to make the bridge appear

if you havent done it already i could try and make the leap ability work for the barbarian just like it is on the diablo 3 sight

we will see how that goes, of course, this all depends on if its alright with you guys, since i would be messing with your map

 

[redmarine]

i could always mess around with it in the current vershion and wait for 1.18, test that, find issues tell you about then and try and fix them and send the map to you, right now im doing the destructable terrain idea and i think i know a way to make the bridge appear

if you havent done it already i could try and make the leap ability work for the barbarian just like it is on the diablo 3 sight

we will see how that goes, of course, this all depends on if its alright with you guys, since i would be messing with your map

Open-Source. Do whatever you want as long as you credit the author.

 

[CloudWolf]

Bug found
-Sheild of inteligence (handheld) can be picked up by barbarian even though it is a wiz/witch only item
----it does however say that barbarians cant pick it up when you pick it up
-I suggest testing this with all items
*Edit: Fuller testing with the item in question reveals that, while you can pick it up and use it for awhile and have a temporary mana bonus, as soon as you are hit with an attack you drop it: however when you pick it up you get an extra 40 mana which you can exploit by using whirlwind many times and thus healing yourself in a semi cheat way

your probably right about the abilities and i did love the barbarian frenzy thing

and thanks for responding its nice to feel like ive helped

lol yea, theres a lot of bugs with the current inventory system, but theres no point in fixing them all as its going to be replaced by the full screen one soon There is a bug that allows a player to pick up any item if you select it, then move your hero almost instantly

And yes! I'm putting in The_Silents abilities for 1.18 So all we really need is some kind of leap ability, and some new wizard skills

also, feel free to make a mod It's open-source like redmarine said afterall

 

[Waterwalk]

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also, feel free to make a mod It's open-source like redmarine said afterall

but its important that you guys will import it..because otherwise everything will take too long...you guys should establish a file sharing for the newest version to build with.

 

[redmarine]

but its important that you guys will import it..because otherwise everything will take too long...you guys should establish a file sharing for the newest version to build with.

We use Hive's online storage service AKA Pastebin.

 

[CloudMax]

We use Hive's online storage service AKA Pastebin.

Yupp yupp, Pastebin ftw. We wouldent survive without it
Anoying to upload on other sides and shit like that.

 

[saphiree]

Btw, anyone got an idea of when blizzard is gonna release something new to diablo III? Also, why dont you start working on some creeps? I dont know if you'll wait for another diablo 3 map, but it would be awesome with some of those creeps from the Diablo III Beastary

 

[CloudMax]

We will keep the map pretty much as it is.
When this map isnt "Beta" anymore we will try to move on to the next one but that one will be custom with custom content.

 

[saphiree]

I though you was gonna make it from what you've seen of blizzard screenshots? ^^
Anyway, can someone tell me when a map is Alpha/Beta/"the last thing" ??? Cus im confused

btw. The next map should be with lava ;D

 

[Verhalthur]

Needs more Archivist.

 

[CloudMax]

Needs more Archivist.

It wont help when you say that.
We have said a lot of times that we wont add him, atleast not now since we have other stuff to do. and well, it was just an aprils fool :S

 

[Verhalthur]

It wont help when you say that.
We have said a lot of times that we wont add him, atleast not now since we have other stuff to do. and well, it was just an aprils fool :S

I just think that if it was a secret class or just a joke inside the map, it would add a bit of fun to a serious game. ^^

 

[redmarine]

I though you was gonna make it from what you've seen of blizzard screenshots? ^^
Anyway, can someone tell me when a map is Alpha/Beta/"the last thing" ??? Cus im confused

btw. The next map should be with lava ;D

Alpha and Beta are earlier builds of finished software. Alpha in gaming therms basically mean that the game is currently playable, only core mechanics, and is ready for content, heavy testing, critics, changes and so on. Basically this stage is where all the major things get done.

Beta basically is the process after you reach the end of the alpha stage to a point you're satisfied with your game. This is stage also usually gets public tests like searching for bugs, compatibility issues, glitches, performance, and so on.

An example of this is Windows 7 as it's currently in Beta but now it's slowly leaving the beta stage and is entering the RC, Release Candidate stage.

 

[Reaper2008]

Really god map, great job done here. I have played barbarian and witch doctor in singleplayer, and I'll play on bnet too.

 

[redmarine]

CloudWolf, release version 1.18 when you got all the components in it as the inventory system will take time to finish. The inventory system will take time to finish.

 

[CloudMax]

I just think that if it was a secret class or just a joke inside the map, it would add a bit of fun to a serious game. ^^

I forgot to add that i also want him in the map just for fun but our boss (CloudWolf) says that we dont have time to do that right now.

But a secret class is not a good idea, players should be able to play all classes at the start to keep it fair.

Maybe add a side quest that is related to the aprils fool? I dont want to go into detail (that would ruin the fun if it will be added )

 

[Super-Sheep]

Speed up the processssss.

You already told that the inventory systems is "done" and you have to only add items. Right?

 

[CloudMax]

Speed up the processssss.

You already told that the inventory systems is "done" and you have to only add items. Right?

We said that it is pretty much done.
We also said that we are optimizing the system to make it work smother and make the item creation progress go faster.
AND we said that we did a test online and found about 4-5 bugs that need to be fixed.

But i have fixed some major things with the system actually.
There doesnt appear selection circles over slots in the inventory.
You dont have to drag-select anymore. (YEY!)
We have optimized the system so that its less then half the size of what it was befor.

Uhmm... well.. ya.... thats pretty much all i can say.

 

[redmarine]

We said that it is pretty much done.
We also said that we are optimizing the system to make it work smother and make the item creation progress go faster.
AND we said that we did a test online and found about 4-5 bugs that need to be fixed.

But i have fixed some major things with the system actually.
There doesnt appear selection circles over slots in the inventory.
You dont have to drag-select anymore. (YEY!)
We have optimized the system so that its less then half the size of what it was befor.

Uhmm... well.. ya.... thats pretty much all i can say.

That's pretty much all true.

I'm going to fix the duel wielding problem now.

Could you list all the items we're going to use? Also add the class type like: Chest, Pants, Wrists, Rings, etc. You may post it in our "special secret place" if it contains content the public shouldn't know about yet.