Diablo III Warcraft Beta v1.19b

[Waterwalk]

Well maybe there are nowadays too many wow designer who are working at the diablo franchise, that there could be a submenu similar to wow ;P

 

[redmarine]

Ok inventory almost done....release, you can do it

Edit:

and yes LTGH, i think you are right, that this isn't a real item slot...

but i dont think that its the button for the rune spots either....diablo menu was always lean and they dont want any submenu's

maybe its another surprise they talked about.

None of the unoptimized or optmized versions are ready for release. It'll probably take a while more.

The reason for the delay is my decision to make an optimized version which takes longer to design but will be a lot more user friendly and easier to use.

 

[redmarine]

Update:

The optimized potion part now works but all potions now require not to be automatically used when picked up, sadly... but it's a minor loss we all can deal with.

 

[saphiree]

i just realised when i looked at some of the screenshots of diablo III. the skills section look alot like WoW now :S But i guess that skill sections are hard to make on a very special way.

 

[APproject]

APproject's review of Diablo III Beta v1.17

I will not be generous, rating of mine is 2/5 for now because of reasons below.

1. At the beginning, heroes that stands right in the screen has wrongly set selection scale rates. Barbarian and Wizard has too big selection scale rate, Witch Doector has obviously too small one. It looks silly. In my opinion, the green circle should just be almost touching unit's feets, not actually touching, but be close to it.
2. Didn't see an objective telling me what exacly must I do in order to win this map and finally finish it.
3. Map Description do not exist.
4. Why he introduction message telling me to press Down Button didn't appear to Log (F12)? I didn't read it first time, but I was expecting it to appear at Log, but it didn't. I had to restart the game in order to see the message.
5. Heroes while playing also has too big and too small selection scale rates.
6. Why you didn't lock the camera? When I try to Zoom In, it jolts.
7. Barbarian's abilities' Hot-Keys confuses of these spells: Ground Stomp and Stamina. I press T and I want to use Stamina, but I use Ground Stomp instead.
8. Ability of Wizards - Magic Missiles has no Hot-Keys notice.
9. Please fix this mistakes, sceenshot cuts below. I cannot see my Numpad numbers of items.

10. Witch Doctor's ability Dispatch misses it's Hot-Key notice.
11. Witch Doctor's abilities has randomly set X; Y button positions. Observe it in the screenshot cut below.

12. Many enemy units has wrongly developed selection scale rates, just like heroes. Most of it, has too small rates. As for example, Grotesque unit seemed worse with such a scale.
13. After Cain's transmission, appeared other message and it was talking one of heroes, but I figured that Cain was still talking, that's the impression. Messages when Cain talks the first time.
My point is that you should add a name at the start of every transmission or at least make some space between nameless transmissions and nameful ones.
14. Why items tells me: Drop item on shop to sell? Am I able to sell it to shop? Am I?
15. Mongrol's icon do not fits reality. Enough to compare the model and icon to realise it.
16. I've noticed few mistakes such as thiis one. Make a space there when I underlined with red line. It looks like grammar mistake that do not looks nicely. Screenshot cut below.

17. I was only on the halfway of map and I reached the maximum level that requires for my abilities.
This might be my bad if I'm right, since I'm not playing it, I'm testing it in Single Player.
18. Why the last boss didn't disappear after it's death for such a long period of time? Looked weird. Also the special effect was appearing and appearing. (At the position of the boss that died)
19. Victory condition do not exists. Umm, I waited enough to think so when the game was over, according to the messages.
20. How about adding the Fade Filter - Fade Out And Fade In at the beginning? It would look more smooth.
21. I couldn't notice the number of lives of my hero. Please add the notices.


Honestly, only two things surprised of your map while I was testing it. First is the terrain and enviroment art, it's wonderful and astonishing. And the second thing is, final scene. It is pretty impressive and I enjoyed that part most. Afterall, enemy units are pretty basic and it's reiterating too much. I'd love to see different monsters in every room, it's not that hard to do so, though. I also didn't expect to see so many trifles and mistakes on this map, since it is so popular and have been updated about 17 times. It's still hard to believe that there many such a simple mistakes, hehe. I decided to review this map, because I was bored, however, I didn't sorry for that. I haven't even downloaded it before because I though it's perfect without any lackings. I believe, soon you'll receive my private messages with questions about the terrain, hehe, someday.

 

[Super-Sheep]

btw you would like to fix barbarian rage bug.. you can just stop-stop-stop-stop and you gain full rage in 1 second. Then you're rdy to spam spells.

 

[redmarine]

I will not be generous, rating of mine is 2/5 for now because of reasons below.

1. At the beginning, heroes that stands right in the screen has wrongly set selection scale rates. Barbarian and Wizard has too big selection scale rate, Witch Doector has obviously too small one. It looks silly. In my opinion, the green circle should just be almost touching unit's feets, not actually touching, but be close to it.
2. Didn't see an objective telling me what exacly must I do in order to win this map and finally finish it.
3. Map Description do not exist.
4. Why he introduction message telling me to press Down Button didn't appear to Log (F12)? I didn't read it first time, but I was expecting it to appear at Log, but it didn't. I had to restart the game in order to see the message.
5. Heroes while playing also has too big and too small selection scale rates.
6. Why you didn't lock the camera? When I try to Zoom In, it jolts.
7. Barbarian's abilities' Hot-Keys confuses of these spells: Ground Stomp and Stamina. I press T and I want to use Stamina, but I use Ground Stomp instead.
8. Ability of Wizards - Magic Missiles has no Hot-Keys notice.
9. Please fix this mistakes, sceenshot cuts below. I cannot see my Numpad numbers of items.

10. Witch Doctor's ability Dispatch misses it's Hot-Key notice.
11. Witch Doctor's abilities has randomly set X; Y button positions. Observe it in the screenshot cut below.

12. Many enemy units has wrongly developed selection scale rates, just like heroes. Most of it, has too small rates. As for example, Grotesque unit seemed worse with such a scale.
13. After Cain's transmission, appeared other message and it was talking one of heroes, but I figured that Cain was still talking, that's the impression. Messages when Cain talks the first time.
My point is that you should add a name at the start of every transmission or at least make some space between nameless transmissions and nameful ones.
14. Why items tells me: Drop item on shop to sell? Am I able to sell it to shop? Am I?
15. Mongrol's icon do not fits reality. Enough to compare the model and icon to realise it.
16. I've noticed few mistakes such as thiis one. Make a space there when I underlined with red line. It looks like grammar mistake that do not looks nicely. Screenshot cut below.

17. I was only on the halfway of map and I reached the maximum level that requires for my abilities.
This might be my bad if I'm right, since I'm not playing it, I'm testing it in Single Player.
18. Why the last boss didn't disappear after it's death for such a long period of time? Looked weird. Also the special effect was appearing and appearing. (At the position of the boss that died)
19. Victory condition do not exists. Umm, I waited enough to think so when the game was over, according to the messages.
20. How about adding the Fade Filter - Fade Out And Fade In at the beginning? It would look more smooth.
21. I couldn't notice the number of lives of my hero. Please add the notices.


Honestly, only two things surprised of your map while I was testing it. First is the terrain and enviroment art, it's wonderful and astonishing. And the second thing is, final scene. It is pretty impressive and I enjoyed that part most. Afterall, enemy units are pretty basic and it's reiterating too much. I'd love to see different monsters in every room, it's not that hard to do so, though. I also didn't expect to see so many trifles and mistakes on this map, since it is so popular and have been updated about 17 times. It's still hard to believe that there many such a simple mistakes, hehe. I decided to review this map, because I was bored, however, I didn't sorry for that. I haven't even downloaded it before because I though it's perfect without any lackings. I believe, soon you'll receive my private messages with questions about the terrain, hehe, someday.

This well written post deserves to be carried to the next page.

CloudWolf, get working on these.

 

[CloudWolf]

I will not be generous, rating of mine is 2/5 for now because of reasons below.

1. At the beginning, heroes that stands right in the screen has wrongly set selection scale rates. Barbarian and Wizard has too big selection scale rate, Witch Doector has obviously too small one. It looks silly. In my opinion, the green circle should just be almost touching unit's feets, not actually touching, but be close to it.
2. Didn't see an objective telling me what exacly must I do in order to win this map and finally finish it.
3. Map Description do not exist.
4. Why he introduction message telling me to press Down Button didn't appear to Log (F12)? I didn't read it first time, but I was expecting it to appear at Log, but it didn't. I had to restart the game in order to see the message.
5. Heroes while playing also has too big and too small selection scale rates.
6. Why you didn't lock the camera? When I try to Zoom In, it jolts.
7. Barbarian's abilities' Hot-Keys confuses of these spells: Ground Stomp and Stamina. I press T and I want to use Stamina, but I use Ground Stomp instead.
8. Ability of Wizards - Magic Missiles has no Hot-Keys notice.
9. Please fix this mistakes, sceenshot cuts below. I cannot see my Numpad numbers of items.

10. Witch Doctor's ability Dispatch misses it's Hot-Key notice.
11. Witch Doctor's abilities has randomly set X; Y button positions. Observe it in the screenshot cut below.

12. Many enemy units has wrongly developed selection scale rates, just like heroes. Most of it, has too small rates. As for example, Grotesque unit seemed worse with such a scale.
13. After Cain's transmission, appeared other message and it was talking one of heroes, but I figured that Cain was still talking, that's the impression. Messages when Cain talks the first time.
My point is that you should add a name at the start of every transmission or at least make some space between nameless transmissions and nameful ones.
14. Why items tells me: Drop item on shop to sell? Am I able to sell it to shop? Am I?
15. Mongrol's icon do not fits reality. Enough to compare the model and icon to realise it.
16. I've noticed few mistakes such as thiis one. Make a space there when I underlined with red line. It looks like grammar mistake that do not looks nicely. Screenshot cut below.

17. I was only on the halfway of map and I reached the maximum level that requires for my abilities.
This might be my bad if I'm right, since I'm not playing it, I'm testing it in Single Player.
18. Why the last boss didn't disappear after it's death for such a long period of time? Looked weird. Also the special effect was appearing and appearing. (At the position of the boss that died)
19. Victory condition do not exists. Umm, I waited enough to think so when the game was over, according to the messages.
20. How about adding the Fade Filter - Fade Out And Fade In at the beginning? It would look more smooth.
21. I couldn't notice the number of lives of my hero. Please add the notices.


Honestly, only two things surprised of your map while I was testing it. First is the terrain and enviroment art, it's wonderful and astonishing. And the second thing is, final scene. It is pretty impressive and I enjoyed that part most. Afterall, enemy units are pretty basic and it's reiterating too much. I'd love to see different monsters in every room, it's not that hard to do so, though. I also didn't expect to see so many trifles and mistakes on this map, since it is so popular and have been updated about 17 times. It's still hard to believe that there many such a simple mistakes, hehe. I decided to review this map, because I was bored, however, I didn't sorry for that. I haven't even downloaded it before because I though it's perfect without any lackings. I believe, soon you'll receive my private messages with questions about the terrain, hehe, someday.

Awesome! Thanks for the in-depth review I'll try my best to fix all the bugs and aesthetic features you've listed above

Reviews like this are always welcome, and extremely helpfull +rep!

 

[redmarine]

LTGH, how big(file size wise) is the inventory system? It seems rather gigantic.

 

[saphiree]

OMG!!! I think APproject is n00b to say this. Ofc all the bugs are there, and its good he tells them. BUT. DUDE its still in BETA if you dint see that!! That kinda explains it all huh?
I also think you got a very offensive way to tell these things. As if the creators are kinda dumb. And that is not true! and omg 2/5?! This map is awesomely done, and i see some of your "bugs" like the one with you still though cain was talking maybe was kinda stupid. firstly wtf should they name the hero? If there just stood "hero" it would look really stupid. And no of the heroes has any names -_-

Still. its good you say it. But way too offensive to the creators if you ask me. Ofc i dont know what they think, but i think its kinda rude...

btw, use some map optimizer tool if you havent already

 

[redmarine]

OMG!!! I think APproject is n00b to say this. Ofc all the bugs are there, and its good he tells them. BUT. DUDE its still in BETA if you dint see that!! That kinda explains it all huh?
I also think you got a very offensive way to tell these things. As if the creators are kinda dumb. And that is not true! and omg 2/5?! This map is awesomely done, and i see some of your "bugs" like the one with you still though cain was talking maybe was kinda stupid. firstly wtf should they name the hero? If there just stood "hero" it would look really stupid. And no of the heroes has any names -_-

Still. its good you say it. But way too offensive to the creators if you ask me. Ofc i dont know what they think, but i think its kinda rude...

btw, use some map optimizer tool if you havent already

Well, I agree with the guy that there are pretty many minor issues that haven't been taken care of yet. I don't care regarding his attitude as long as his post provides an valid point and constructive criticism.

BTW, he pointed out a lot of stuff people would really not notice. I thank him for that.

 

[CloudWolf]

OMG!!! I think APproject is n00b to say this. Ofc all the bugs are there, and its good he tells them. BUT. DUDE its still in BETA if you dint see that!! That kinda explains it all huh?
I also think you got a very offensive way to tell these things. As if the creators are kinda dumb. And that is not true! and omg 2/5?! This map is awesomely done, and i see some of your "bugs" like the one with you still though cain was talking maybe was kinda stupid. firstly wtf should they name the hero? If there just stood "hero" it would look really stupid. And no of the heroes has any names -_-

Still. its good you say it. But way too offensive to the creators if you ask me. Ofc i dont know what they think, but i think its kinda rude...

btw, use some map optimizer tool if you havent already

Don't worry, I didnt find it remotely offensive The great thing about this review was that it was'nt worded in a derogatory / offensive way It was a clear and concise list of all the areas which needed improvement

Reviews as detailed as this are incredibly useful to me Keep em coming!

 

[APproject]

OMG!!! I think APproject is n00b to say this. Ofc all the bugs are there, and its good he tells them. BUT. DUDE its still in BETA if you dint see that!! That kinda explains it all huh?
I also think you got a very offensive way to tell these things. As if the creators are kinda dumb. And that is not true! and omg 2/5?! This map is awesomely done, and i see some of your "bugs" like the one with you still though cain was talking maybe was kinda stupid. firstly wtf should they name the hero? If there just stood "hero" it would look really stupid. And no of the heroes has any names -_-

Still. its good you say it. But way too offensive to the creators if you ask me. Ofc i dont know what they think, but i think its kinda rude...

Even if it's Beta, it's not allowed to contain with low quality. Beta is 75% of full map and it includes gameplay only. You're going berserk because I rated this resource by 2/5? The main rating of entire map got downrated by 0.03. Wow! That's a lot! Heroes certainly do have names. I also suggest you to pay more attention to your writings, it's quite hard to realise your point when you mix up few sentences into one.

 

[Palaslayer]

May i suggest something more? i know i did some review before but i think you missed one idea of mine that i told cw a while back.

The last boss, siegebreaker, moves in very slowly. i think this is ridiculous because you could do something much more impressive without much work. else i want to say that bossfights could be more interesting as they sometimes do not much more than attacking. therefore a few suggestions:

-the last boss could charge in and get some autocast spells
-the fat boss (forgot how he is called, some girls are sacrificed for him) does some really cool things in the d3 gameplay trailer, like going into a rage and then charging to players, knocking back a little and so on


I already heard that you are improving hero skills by triggering them from now on instead of just working with the object idea and i can only appreciate and recommend the progress the map does though you will have to notice that sometimes the small things make a game. even if they are only eyecatchers and no actually important things to the gameplay they add a lot of style to a game and players will love it.
that might also be one reason why diablo 2 which is a very old game is still so popular that it is under the 10 most played games (2007 or 2008).
My suggestion: work on the gameplay - make it faster and more interesting.

 

[saphiree]

i still cant see any of this "low quality". And my writing i dint see it as that bad. But its good you tell me anyway.
The hero names. Dont they change each map? Still dont see it as a thing they need to fix. But i agree with some other things as hotkeys, and the thing when selecting character where you need to press down arrow key. (pretty weird you missed it anyway XD)

My point was: write so it doesent seem so rude to others.
But as it looks like im the only who thinks this. then NvM

And again. Its good you told this much stuff, cus theres really alot ^^ To the mongrel model, i think the same, but maybe its kinda hard to put much more models in because of the max size for maps. (I cant understand Blizzard does something to that -_-)
The same problem comes when you ask for more creeps. I dont think its necessary, but it would be nice. Again we must say Blizzard is pretty dumb not to increase max size to upload at b.net!

Anyway got a question about that. If you use Garena. Can you then host bigger maps? And i still havent understood. Whats the good thing about Garena? i only found that thing with less delay. But well, i use Delay Reducer, so no need for that.

Hope this was easier to understand

EDIT: Palaslayer to yours
-if you by the last boss means Siege Breaker then i strongly agree!
-he does go into rage, but i agree with you that the boss fights are kinda boring. There are many events with them (specially with Skeleton King. But its still kinda boring)

 

[redmarine]

i still cant see any of this "low quality". And my writing i dint see it as that bad. But its good you tell me anyway.
The hero names. Dont they change each map? Still dont see it as a thing they need to fix. But i agree with some other things as hotkeys, and the thing when selecting character where you need to press down arrow key. (pretty weird you missed it anyway XD)

My point was: write so it doesent seem so rude to others.
But as it looks like im the only who thinks this. then NvM

And again. Its good you told this much stuff, cus theres really alot ^^ To the mongrel model, i think the same, but maybe its kinda hard to put much more models in because of the max size for maps. (I cant understand Blizzard does something to that -_-)
The same problem comes when you ask for more creeps. I dont think its necessary, but it would be nice. Again we must say Blizzard is pretty dumb not to increase max size to upload at b.net!

Anyway got a question about that. If you use Garena. Can you then host bigger maps? And i still havent understood. Whats the good thing about Garena? i only found that thing with less delay. But well, i use Delay Reducer, so no need for that.

Hope this was easier to understand

Have you ever realized that Battle.net is a free service anyone with a valid license? When WarCraft III was released it wasn't aiming for supporting custom mapping that much and 4 MB was a lot to download per game back then. It was made before Blizzard made its cash cow World of WarCraft which now allows Blizzard to basically do to anything they want.

Edit; Crazy AOE knockback stuff which could be useful for some:
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/pastebin.php?id=ous2c8

 

[APproject]

The hero names. Dont they change each map?

I didn't mean to write it's PROPER NAME, I meant to add NAME. Such as Barbarian, Wizard, Witch Doctor. Proper Names changes itself, not exact names.

To the mongrel model, i think the same, but maybe its kinda hard to put much more models in because of the max size for maps.

I don't want the model to be changed. I said, that icon of it do not fit's the model. Changing the icon, would be better solution.

The same problem comes when you ask for more creeps. I dont think its necessary, but it would be nice. Again we must say Blizzard is pretty dumb not to increase max size to upload at b.net!

There is no necessity to add new custom models to new units. Blizzard has already made many of them that would fit the map and it's not used all.

Hope this was easier to understand

It was.

 

[saphiree]

Yeah i know. i see i made a mistake. When i wrote "I cant understand Blizzard does something to that -_-" I meant Doesent. Not Does
I also said "Again we must say Blizzard is pretty dumb not to increase max size to upload at b.net!" As i know that if they made it like 10mb when WC3 came out it would be a hell to upload to others.
But i just cant understand they doesent do anything to it now. Because WC3 have become very well known for the things with custom maps, and very focused on online play. Theres also many which still play it. So they should really do something! -_-


EDIT:
Hmmm. i still dont like the thing with names there XD

A new icon would be okay. But dont really think we need a new. Btw, what is a mongrel actually? has it been used in any other games or so before? And can someone send some pictures? As the diablo ones aint rly good i think (havent looked them roughly though)

Maybe Blizzard have made many models, but the map kinda have all the units from the diablo III gameplay cinematic.

 

[Waterwalk]

New Idea:

It would be cool to see traps....maybe you can build a trigger where randomly 15 out of 100 dummys or other triggers will activated at each map start...shouldn't be that big problem.

 

[saphiree]

ooh, like in diablo 2 with those spikes comming up and arrows being fired from the sides?

 

[redmarine]

New Idea:

It would be cool to see traps....maybe you can build a trigger where randomly 15 out of 100 dummys or other triggers will activated at each map start...shouldn't be that big problem.

You're speaking of random factors right? Rock slides, traps, random unit horde spawns and so on? Would be kinda fun as diversity adds to game play.

 

[saphiree]

yeah, not one game would be alike

 

[Waterwalk]

ooh, like in diablo 2 with those spikes comming up and arrows being fired from the sides?

You're speaking of random factors right? Rock slides, traps, random unit horde spawns and so on? Would be kinda fun as diversity adds to game play.

exactly

 

[expresso]

Just for curiosity's sake, how's the space breakdown as far as resources for each aspect of the map? There were just a few imported models and textures from what I remember (heros, GUI buttons, Tyrael) Witch doctor seems he's either a custom model or he has some geometry fixed to the original model's attachment points?

 

[machinus]

Cloudwolf,

Awesome map! I've been searching for a high quality diablo-style RPG UMS for wc3 for a long time and this kicks ass!

I have one question: can you add a way to earn back revives? Instead of starting the game with revives, perhaps you can add some other resource to buy them with or fight for them somehow. The wizard always dies and we run out of revives. Witch doctor has some trouble too but not nearly as much.

Awesome map!!!!!!!!

 

[CloudMax]

I talked about traps a while befor, i made a bomb chest trap that could be used. For example, we add one more chest to the map, and in every game, one of the chests turn into a trap, but we dont know which one. That is pretty damn easy to make, just have to make some special effects when chest open then start the pushback trigger and give all some damage xP

Just for curiosity's sake, how's the space breakdown as far as resources for each aspect of the map? There were just a few imported models and textures from what I remember (heros, GUI buttons, Tyrael) Witch doctor seems he's either a custom model or he has some geometry fixed to the original model's attachment points?

You can take a look in the map, its open source :]

 

[Palaslayer]

May i suggest something more? i know i did some review before but i think you missed one idea of mine that i told cw a while back.

The last boss, siegebreaker, moves in very slowly. i think this is ridiculous because you could do something much more impressive without much work. else i want to say that bossfights could be more interesting as they sometimes do not much more than attacking. therefore a few suggestions:

-the last boss could charge in and get some autocast spells
-the fat boss (forgot how he is called, some girls are sacrificed for him) does some really cool things in the d3 gameplay trailer, like going into a rage and then charging to players, knocking back a little and so on


I already heard that you are improving hero skills by triggering them from now on instead of just working with the object idea and i can only appreciate and recommend the progress the map does though you will have to notice that sometimes the small things make a game. even if they are only eyecatchers and no actually important things to the gameplay they add a lot of style to a game and players will love it.
that might also be one reason why diablo 2 which is a very old game is still so popular that it is under the 10 most played games (2007 or 2008).
My suggestion: work on the gameplay - make it faster and more interesting.

may i quote myself because u seem to missed it. yeah, saphiree, the bosses could have more abilities, not only events in the surroundings.
else what about some general events in the dungeon? make it more questlike.
something like rocks falling down from top of you, crashing bridges, whatever.

 

[expresso]

You can take a look in the map, its open source :]

Oh yeah =D
After looking at it I see Tyrael's a pretty bad space hog, but what's with the pit lord hero mdx? Isn't that in the WC3 mpq?

 

[saphiree]

Just for curiosity's sake, how's the space breakdown as far as resources for each aspect of the map? There were just a few imported models and textures from what I remember (heros, GUI buttons, Tyrael) Witch doctor seems he's either a custom model or he has some geometry fixed to the original model's attachment points?

Witch doctor is custom model. SpiritWalker - The Hive Workshop - A Warcraft III Modding Site I think they used that ^^

 

[Lord Aoshi]

Hi,
first of all I love this map, really.
But I have a technical problem with the map. I try to change little things for private use, making things more comfortable in singleplayer, and with or without any changes, I can't save the file right. There are error messages reffering the camlock and the Skeleton King-event and some more... and I can't load the map in game after that.
Anybody similar problems or any explanation=help for me?
thx

 

[redmarine]

The drop system is now able to drop any kind of item as well as removing the buffs when removed from equipping slots. But the variable listing still applies.

Before

Before

• If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
  • If - Conditions
    • (Triggering unit) Equal to Inventory Dummy 0421 <gen>
  • Then - Actions
    • -------- Unequip items --------
    • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
      • If - Conditions
        • Inventory_Selected_Slot[(Player number of (Triggering player))] Less than 20
      • Then - Actions
        • -------- Weapons --------
        • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
          • If - Conditions
            • Inventory_Item_ID_Player1[Inventory_Selected_Slot[(Player number of (Triggering player))]] Equal to 1
          • Then - Actions
            • -------- Remove Bonuses --------
            • Unit - Remove Item Damage Bonus (+8) from Red_Hero
          • Else - Actions
        • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
          • If - Conditions
            • Inventory_Item_ID_Player1[Inventory_Selected_Slot[(Player number of (Triggering player))]] Equal to 3
            • Inventory_Selected_Slot[(Player number of (Triggering player))] Equal to 10
          • Then - Actions
            • -------- Remove Bonuses --------
            • Unit - Remove Item Damage Bonus (+4) (Main-Hand) from Red_Hero
          • Else - Actions
        • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
          • If - Conditions
            • Inventory_Item_ID_Player1[Inventory_Selected_Slot[(Player number of (Triggering player))]] Equal to 3
            • Inventory_Selected_Slot[(Player number of (Triggering player))] Equal to 11
          • Then - Actions
            • -------- Remove Bonuses --------
            • Unit - Remove Item Damage Bonus (+4) (Off-Hand) from Red_Hero
          • Else - Actions
        • -------- Armors --------
        • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
          • If - Conditions
            • Inventory_Item_ID_Player1[Inventory_Selected_Slot[(Player number of (Triggering player))]] Equal to 2
          • Then - Actions
            • -------- Remove Bonuses --------
            • Unit - Remove Item Armor Bonus (+2) from Red_Hero
            • Unit - Remove Item Hero Stat Bonus (+1 All Stats) from Red_Hero
          • Else - Actions
        • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
          • If - Conditions
            • Inventory_Item_ID_Player1[Inventory_Selected_Slot[(Player number of (Triggering player))]] Equal to 5
          • Then - Actions
            • -------- Remove Bonuses --------
            • Unit - Remove Item Armor Bonus (+2) (Armor) from Red_Hero
          • Else - Actions
        • -------- Pants --------
        • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
          • If - Conditions
            • Inventory_Item_ID_Player1[Inventory_Selected_Slot[(Player number of (Triggering player))]] Equal to 6
          • Then - Actions
            • -------- Remove Bonuses --------
            • Unit - Remove Item Armor Bonus (+1) (Legguards) from Red_Hero
          • Else - Actions
        • -------- Potions --------
        • -------- Slot 1 --------
        • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
          • If - Conditions
            • Inventory_Selected_Slot[(Player number of (Triggering player))] Equal to 16
          • Then - Actions
            • -------- Remove Potion --------
            • Item - Remove (Item carried by Red_Hero in slot 1)
          • Else - Actions
        • -------- Slot 2 --------
        • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
          • If - Conditions
            • Inventory_Selected_Slot[(Player number of (Triggering player))] Equal to 17
          • Then - Actions
            • -------- Remove Potion --------
            • Item - Remove (Item carried by Red_Hero in slot 2)
          • Else - Actions
        • -------- Slot 3 --------
        • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
          • If - Conditions
            • Inventory_Selected_Slot[(Player number of (Triggering player))] Equal to 18
          • Then - Actions
            • -------- Remove Potion --------
            • Item - Remove (Item carried by Red_Hero in slot 3)
          • Else - Actions
        • -------- Slot 4 --------
        • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
          • If - Conditions
            • Inventory_Selected_Slot[(Player number of (Triggering player))] Equal to 19
          • Then - Actions
            • -------- Remove Potion --------
            • Item - Remove (Item carried by Red_Hero in slot 4)
          • Else - Actions
        • -------- Revives --------
        • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
          • If - Conditions
            • Inventory_Selected_Slot[(Player number of (Triggering player))] Greater than or equal to 13
            • Inventory_Selected_Slot[(Player number of (Triggering player))] Less than or equal to 15
          • Then - Actions
            • Set Inventory_Revive_Count[(Player number of (Triggering player))] = (Inventory_Revive_Count[(Player number of (Triggering player))] - 1)
            • Player - Add -1 to (Triggering player) Current lumber
            • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
              • If - Conditions
                • Inventory_Revive_Count[(Player number of (Triggering player))] Equal to 0
              • Then - Actions
                • Unit - Remove |cffd713ecRitual of the Dead|r from Red_Hero
              • Else - Actions
          • Else - Actions
      • Else - Actions
    • -------- Delete Selection Circle --------
    • Destructible - Remove Selection_Circle[(Player number of (Triggering player))]
    • Set Selection_Circle[(Player number of (Triggering player))] = No destructible
    • -------- Delete old Icon --------
    • Destructible - Remove Inventory_Item_Player1[Inventory_Selected_Slot[(Player number of (Triggering player))]]
    • -------- Reset Selection --------
    • Set Inventory_Item_Player1[Inventory_Selected_Slot[(Player number of (Triggering player))]] = No destructible
    • Set Inventory_Item_ID_Player1[Inventory_Selected_Slot[(Player number of (Triggering player))]] = 0
    • Set Inventory_Selected_True_False[(Player number of (Triggering player))] = 0
    • Set Inventory_Selected_Slot[(Player number of (Triggering player))] = 0
    • Player Group - Pick every player in (Player group((Triggering player))) and do (Actions)
      • Loop - Actions
        • Multiboard - Hide Inventory_Multiboard_Items[Inventory_Item_ID_Player1[(Custom value of (Triggering unit))]]
    • Skip remaining actions
  • Else - Actions

Now

• If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
  • If - Conditions
    • (Triggering unit) Equal to Inventory Dummy 0421 <gen>
  • Then - Actions
    • Unit - Remove A_Item_Ability[Inventory_Selected_Slot[(Player number of (Triggering player))]] from Red_Hero
    • Set rect = (Position of Red_Hero)
    • Item - Create A_Item_Type[Inventory_Selected_Slot[(Player number of (Triggering player))]] at rect
    • Custom script: call RemoveLocation(udg_rect)
    • -------- Delete Selection Circle --------
    • Destructible - Remove Selection_Circle[(Player number of (Triggering player))]
    • Set Selection_Circle[(Player number of (Triggering player))] = No destructible
    • -------- Switch Values between slot --------
    • Set A_Item_Class[(Custom value of (Triggering unit))] = (Item-class of No item)
    • Set A_Item_Type[(Custom value of (Triggering unit))] = (Item-type of No item)
    • Set A_Item_Class[Inventory_Selected_Slot[(Player number of (Triggering player))]] = (Item-class of No item)
    • Set A_Item_Type[Inventory_Selected_Slot[(Player number of (Triggering player))]] = (Item-type of No item)
    • -------- Delete old Icon --------
    • Destructible - Remove Inventory_Item_Player1[Inventory_Selected_Slot[(Player number of (Triggering player))]]
    • -------- Reset Selection --------
    • Set Inventory_Item_Player1[Inventory_Selected_Slot[(Player number of (Triggering player))]] = No destructible
    • Set Inventory_Item_ID_Player1[Inventory_Selected_Slot[(Player number of (Triggering player))]] = 0
    • Set Inventory_Selected_True_False[(Player number of (Triggering player))] = 0
    • Set Inventory_Selected_Slot[(Player number of (Triggering player))] = 0
    • Player Group - Pick every player in (Player group((Triggering player))) and do (Actions)
      • Loop - Actions
        • Multiboard - Hide Inventory_Multiboard_Items[Inventory_Item_ID_Player1[(Custom value of (Triggering unit))]]
    • Skip remaining actions
  • Else - Actions

 

[bboy-tiger-]

I'm in for the traps, that would make game more exciting, and i would remove tyreal, its ok but... dunno. Well both is ok.

 

[Palaslayer]

someone answer on my feedback maybe?

 

[CloudWolf]

may i quote myself because u seem to missed it. yeah, saphiree, the bosses could have more abilities, not only events in the surroundings.
else what about some general events in the dungeon? make it more questlike.
something like rocks falling down from top of you, crashing bridges, whatever.

Heya! Sorry for the long reply I was out giving blood

I had a go at making him use the charge animation for 1.17, but couldnt wory out how to do it xD However, I'll try my best to have it done for 1.18 as its definately a good idea.

As for the Thousand Pounder, I'm working on making him slightly more dynamic as we speak I agree that it needs some work, as right now all he does is stand and attack which gets very repetative

Ty for the feedback!

 

[Super-Sheep]

Suggestion for Siegebreaker boss: Make random rain of fires and/or flames strikes on the area when its hitpoints get lower. This would make it harder and harder.

 

[Waterwalk]

Suggestion for Siegebreaker boss: Make random rain of fires and/or flames strikes on the area when its hitpoints get lower. This would make it harder and harder.

well this is only a random sfx witch doesn't belong to that boss fight...

I'm against it.

 

[CloudMax]

well this is only a random sfx witch doesn't belong to that boss fight...

I'm against it.

Well, we need to have something right? And we cant make him eat the players like in the d3 video. that would be imbalanced. BUT we maybe can give him the ability to eat a player and every sec the eaten player gets a few damage and then after 10/15sec you get back.

And making it raining fire from the sky would be cool. Not a spell that the boss casts or something just make it rain and when the fire balls hit the ground, the infernal ground spell appears and damage
If you get hitted by a fireball you get damage and stunned when the infernal ground spell only does AoE damage.

 

[redmarine]

Well, we need to have something right? And we cant make him eat the players like in the d3 video. that would be imbalanced. BUT we maybe can give him the ability to eat a player and every sec the eaten player gets a few damage and then after 10/15sec you get back.

And making it raining fire from the sky would be cool. Not a spell that the boss casts or something just make it rain and when the fire balls hit the ground, the infernal ground spell appears and damage
If you get hitted by a fireball you get damage and stunned when the infernal ground spell only does AoE damage.

LTGH just the person I wanted to contact. I'm almost done with all the functionality in the inventory system and I'd like you to test it. As for now the only item types supported are weapons and potions(they're easy to implement).

 

[CloudMax]

LTGH just the person I wanted to contact. I'm almost done with all the functionality in the inventory system and I'd like you to test it. As for now the only item types supported are weapons and potions(they're easy to implement).

I can try it tommorow after school if you want, i have to sleep now :-[

 

[redmarine]

I can try it tommorow after school if you want, i have to sleep now :-[

Okay. I'll do some more testing and fixing in the meantime. It's close to done. <3

 

[Palaslayer]

with some luck i can finish the rework of my charge template today evening and you can use it though you can use the present version as well

 

[Kuemmel1]

nice work

Wow, at first, Amazing map, 20 out of 10 for feeling and atmosphere, and how close to the trailer mymymy^^. Anyhow i found some bugs and got some suggestions I wanted to mention. Keep up the good work!


( Version 1.17)
Bugs :


- Classspecified Items don't allways drop if the wrong class picks them, if you pick a item up quickly for some time it remains in the slot. leads to barbarian with a lot of mana^^


Other Things:
- Many Buffs still have there default tooltips, which is a bit anoying
- Spells and and Units with magical attack type can't damage the Barbarian while using Whirlwind, dunno if that can be changed or if its even wanted. if second you could mention it in the tooltip
- It sais bony Chestp ei ce instead of Boney Chestp ie ce
-The Trap that activates after the Khazra-Chief is killed could be better timed, the Khazra from South appear way earlier then those from North-East
- activating Cleaving doesn't give a Furypoint
Balance:

-The Skeleton King is way to hardcore on singleplayer, the only way i managed him without cheats was running around in circles in the room, with using whirlwind as often as i could and even this only worked because of the itembug i reported.

- You could lower the Bash-chance for Unburied, because, When you are Singleplayer and reach the Spot where there are 5 of them or so, you get nearly Permabash

 

[CloudWolf]

I will not be generous, rating of mine is 2/5 for now because of reasons below.

1. At the beginning, heroes that stands right in the screen has wrongly set selection scale rates. Barbarian and Wizard has too big selection scale rate, Witch Doector has obviously too small one. It looks silly. In my opinion, the green circle should just be almost touching unit's feets, not actually touching, but be close to it.
2. Didn't see an objective telling me what exacly must I do in order to win this map and finally finish it.
3. Map Description do not exist.
4. Why he introduction message telling me to press Down Button didn't appear to Log (F12)? I didn't read it first time, but I was expecting it to appear at Log, but it didn't. I had to restart the game in order to see the message.
5. Heroes while playing also has too big and too small selection scale rates.
6. Why you didn't lock the camera? When I try to Zoom In, it jolts.
7. Barbarian's abilities' Hot-Keys confuses of these spells: Ground Stomp and Stamina. I press T and I want to use Stamina, but I use Ground Stomp instead.
8. Ability of Wizards - Magic Missiles has no Hot-Keys notice.
9. Please fix this mistakes, sceenshot cuts below. I cannot see my Numpad numbers of items.

10. Witch Doctor's ability Dispatch misses it's Hot-Key notice.
11. Witch Doctor's abilities has randomly set X; Y button positions. Observe it in the screenshot cut below.

12. Many enemy units has wrongly developed selection scale rates, just like heroes. Most of it, has too small rates. As for example, Grotesque unit seemed worse with such a scale.
13. After Cain's transmission, appeared other message and it was talking one of heroes, but I figured that Cain was still talking, that's the impression. Messages when Cain talks the first time.
My point is that you should add a name at the start of every transmission or at least make some space between nameless transmissions and nameful ones.
14. Why items tells me: Drop item on shop to sell? Am I able to sell it to shop? Am I?
15. Mongrol's icon do not fits reality. Enough to compare the model and icon to realise it.
16. I've noticed few mistakes such as thiis one. Make a space there when I underlined with red line. It looks like grammar mistake that do not looks nicely. Screenshot cut below.

17. I was only on the halfway of map and I reached the maximum level that requires for my abilities.
This might be my bad if I'm right, since I'm not playing it, I'm testing it in Single Player.
18. Why the last boss didn't disappear after it's death for such a long period of time? Looked weird. Also the special effect was appearing and appearing. (At the position of the boss that died)
19. Victory condition do not exists. Umm, I waited enough to think so when the game was over, according to the messages.
20. How about adding the Fade Filter - Fade Out And Fade In at the beginning? It would look more smooth.
21. I couldn't notice the number of lives of my hero. Please add the notices.


Honestly, only two things surprised of your map while I was testing it. First is the terrain and enviroment art, it's wonderful and astonishing. And the second thing is, final scene. It is pretty impressive and I enjoyed that part most. Afterall, enemy units are pretty basic and it's reiterating too much. I'd love to see different monsters in every room, it's not that hard to do so, though. I also didn't expect to see so many trifles and mistakes on this map, since it is so popular and have been updated about 17 times. It's still hard to believe that there many such a simple mistakes, hehe. I decided to review this map, because I was bored, however, I didn't sorry for that. I haven't even downloaded it before because I though it's perfect without any lackings. I believe, soon you'll receive my private messages with questions about the terrain, hehe, someday.

Hmmm... Ive been going through the list, and there are a few things Ive noticed :S

4. Why he introduction message telling me to press Down Button didn't appear to Log (F12)? I didn't read it first time, but I was expecting it to appear at Log, but it didn't. I had to restart the game in order to see the message.

I'm not sure what happened for you, but the log [F12] has shown the instructions for me :S

18. Why the last boss didn't disappear after it's death for such a long period of time? Looked weird. Also the special effect was appearing and appearing. (At the position of the boss that died)

Were you using the "Whosyourdaddy" command while testing the map? If you kill the bosses in one hit, it triggers all their spells at the same time, as each spell is dependant on the bosses current hp. This would cause the spells sfx to appear after he's died If not, then I'm not sure what happened lol :S

19. Victory condition do not exists. Umm, I waited enough to think so when the game was over, according to the messages.

This is just a personal preference of mine I like to give players the time to discuss the game after they've been defeated. It allows people to arrange remakes etc However, if it really is that confusing, I'll make the defeat menu appear say, 1-2 minutes after death / completion?

6. Why you didn't lock the camera? When I try to Zoom In, it jolts.

I've noticed this before, however, I decided not to lock the camera as it allows players to use the minimap to move around I may well change this in the future, but im unsure as of yet

The rest though was very helpful! I've fixed all the other stuff now ^^

 

[redmarine]

CloudWolf, I believe that we need to lock the camera for the inventory system. Otherwise everyone would be able to see it as its located on the map.

 

[Palaslayer]

pffh, and make another thing. you can set in the map options something like show unseen areas or such which is most likely checked. uncheck it and be surprised: you will not be able to see the maps unexplored areas anymore. its just black on the minimap. that makes the dungeon fealing more exciting and you wont see inv sys.

 

[APproject]

I'm not sure what happened for you, but the log [F12] has shown the instructions for me :S

It don't for me. Screenshot cut below.

Screenshot Cut

Were you using the "Whosyourdaddy" command while testing the map? If you kill the bosses in one hit, it triggers all their spells at the same time, as each spell is dependant on the bosses current hp. This would cause the spells sfx to appear after he's died If not, then I'm not sure what happened lol :S

My bad. I was testing it, though. So I used many stuff like this and replayed it few times too.

This is just a personal preference of mine I like to give players the time to discuss the game after they've been defeated. It allows people to arrange remakes etc However, if it really is that confusing, I'll make the defeat menu appear say, 1-2 minutes after death / completion?

As far as I know, victory / defeat conditions are necessary in every map. Unless your map has no end of gameplay, feature of mini-games.

Yeah, you could create a timer window telling the time when the game will end. If you want to give people time to discuss, 1-2 minutes are okay.

I've noticed this before, however, I decided not to lock the camera as it allows players to use the minimap to move around I may well change this in the future, but im unsure as of yet

No, I cannot look though minimap. Camera is 'locked', but it seems like there is a trigger that applys the camera on your hero every 0.01 second, lol. Because when I move my camera to side, screen shakes. Looks like my camera moves, but immediately get back to the hero. I suggest you to fix it, make it without shaking or something like that. You also could minimize the mnimap as like, umm, your map has many rooms, they're not connected, different parts of map, you could lock the minimap onto the part of map you play. It would look like this map has many maps, lol. More impressive and unpredictable as like you can see all the minimap and know where's the end, how much left, make it mysterious and unknown. However, it's your choice.

 

[CloudWolf]

It don't for me. Screenshot cut below.

Screenshot Cut

My bad. I was testing it, though. So I used many stuff like this and replayed it few times too.


As far as I know, victory / defeat conditions are necessary in every map. Unless your map has no end of gameplay, feature of mini-games.

Yeah, you could create a timer window telling the time when the game will end. If you want to give people time to discuss, 1-2 minutes are okay.


No, I cannot look though minimap. Camera is 'locked', but it seems like there is a trigger that applys the camera on your hero every 0.01 second, lol. Because when I move my camera to side, screen shakes. Looks like my camera moves, but immediately get back to the hero. I suggest you to fix it, make it without shaking or something like that. You also could minimize the mnimap as like, umm, your map has many rooms, they're not connected, different parts of map, you could lock the minimap onto the part of map you play. It would look like this map has many maps, lol. More impressive and unpredictable as like you can see all the minimap and know where's the end, how much left, make it mysterious and unknown. However, it's your choice.

aah sorry, i meant to say that people can use the minimap to move their hero around

However, I must admit that shaking is kinda annoying :S I'll see what I can do about it, even if i do have to lock the camera

Still not sure whats happening on the log :S I guess I'll just have to make sure the instructions dont dissapear until you have selected a hero then

 

[Waterwalk]

However, I must admit that shaking is kinda annoying :S I'll see what I can do about it, even if i do have to lock the camera

Still not sure whats happening on the log :S I guess I'll just have to make sure the instructions dont dissapear until you have selected a hero then

Yes plz lock the camera...no need for minimap walking...because the map isn't that huge.


And i can't read any log information too....the first entry is what kind of class i picked.

 

[CloudMax]

Log information appears in single player only. The log is only used to show game messages in single player and your own messages. In multiplayer it simply log the players messages. I think that is what causes it. (if it still doesnt work, be sure that you are in single player not b.net or local area network)

 

[Palaslayer]

again youo overlooked my last two comments which were meant to seriously help you