Demons vs. Undead

[danzig666]

I've always wondered, who would win, Demons or undead. Theres a freakin' ton of undead, but demons are powerful. :twisted:

Also, considering I forgot to look up a response for my invalid session problem. Help with that. I won't give you a dollar.

 

[Almost_there]

ummm demons... lol cause demons have fel orc and chaos orc on their side

 

[Rui]

Wrong. Fel Orcs and Chaos Orcs are basically the same, but they are not really demons. Demons are:

-Felhounds
-Doom Guards and Infernals
-Eredars
-Voidwalkers
-Succubus

And maybe others that I can't remember now. In anyway, an infernal can own an abomination and frost wyrms can't destroy them due magic immunity so gg for UD, althrough they are a strong race.

-Rui

 

[Mecheon]

Loretime

Races of demons

Natherezium (Dreadlords)
Totherezium (Creaters of the Infernals)
Ereder
Pit Lord
Felguard (Yes, they are freaking demons -_-)
Demoness (Female Felguard?)
Succubus (Different from Demoness)
Doomguard
Imps (And related species)
Felhound

Undead would win through sheer attrition. Note that Infernals aren't demons, but they're instead golems

Voidwalkers and Nether Dragons aren't demons, rather they're beings from the Nether

Races that serve the Demons

Satyr
Fel Orc

Races that serve the Undead

Death's Head Quillboars
Grimtotem Tauren

 

[Ramza]

I didnt know that infernals where golems, but now that u mention it, I can c they look alittle the same.

So infernals arent demons, but they serve demons, so I still think demons would win.

 

[Kimbo]

the demons are both undead and they can make the undead...they are more ethereal and spiritually dangerous...

 

[Goliath the God]

.. Infernals count for none of them ,as they serve them both.

Basically undeads are driven by demons, how else would they stay alive? :roll:


Demons would have won.

Go Demons, Go Demons!

 

[Horn]

Tothrezim

I'm now making one

 

[Raiju]

demons

how can lich king's undead horde win of Burning Legion. just by the names you figure it out. demons are in more numbers, and are more powerful

and consider that Kil'jaeden (who commanded the legion with the late archimonde under Sargy's orders) "created" the lich king. the once weak and miserable orc Ner'zul is now the big bad undead boss because of him

Demons own

 

[Ramza]

demons

how can lich king's undead horde win of Burning Legion. just by the names you figure it out. demons are in more numbers, and are more powerful

and consider that Kil'jaeden (who commanded the legion with the late archimonde under Sargy's orders) "created" the lich king. the once weak and miserable orc Ner'zul is now the big bad undead boss because of him

Demons own

I agree with u that demons win, but that they dont have more then the undead... I think only the ghouls and skeletons already outnumber the burning legion. But 1 infernal pwnz 30 skellys

 

[Chuckle Brother]

Demon > Undead

Face it, The Burning Legion was created by Sargeras and he is one nasty mother f***er. Plus how badass as the demonic units? Shit you got like infernals and the pitlords and the dreadlords and such. Plus demons could call the wc3 equivalent of satan couldnt they? so I assume this following quote applies:

"Nefarion: O Satan, Father of Lies, speak of your enemies! Speak, and those who need smiting will be smoten!
Satan: I am here my son.
Nefarion: Hello, Satan! Are you ready to rock?!
Satan: If you do that every time I appear, I'm gonna kick your ass!
Nefarion: I can't hear you Satan! Lemme hear you make some nooooooiiiiiiissse!"(John Cheese, Link removed by oz02 because of inappropriateness.)

**Note that for the record I do not approve of the tasteless yet undeniably humourus content of this site and that by clicking on that link you forgo the privalege of B****ing about what you find at the end**

 

[Shadowy Crafter]

You know, chuckle, I have no idea WTF are you talking about.

 

[Horn]

Told ya so!

 

[Kimbo]

Tothrezim

I'm now making one

whoa..amazing pic..amazing model..the undead are weak, the demons rule!

 

[Shadowy Crafter]

Can someone explain what this tothrezim are?

 

[Almost_there]

Dude.. Make a skin of some sort for4 that, it would look so awsome 8)

 

[Mecheon]

The Tothrezium are the race of demons who built the Infernals and the Adamantite Stalkers (Constructs that look like Felhounds)

They're sorta the short little fill-in for Goblins in the Nether. You know, with probably owning a huge cannon which they load Infernals into and then shoot them at where ever needs them

I mean, how ELSE could an Infernal fall from the sky?

And that Tothrezium had better be finding his way to a skin...

Oh, and demons aren't undead. They are in Warcraft 3 for balance purposes, but the Dreadlord is NOT an undead creature. He's alive

 

[Horn]

 

[Ramza]

Oh, and demons aren't undead. They are in Warcraft 3 for balance purposes, but the Dreadlord is NOT an undead creature. He's alive

But obsidian statues, destroyers, gargoyles and death kights arent undead either, but they do serve the undead.

 

[Horn]

The original Death Knights were Undead

But you're being too technical here. Undead is a definition. Demon is a definition.

Is the argument Scourge vs BurninG Legion or facing off two definitions?

A lot of the Burning Legion aren't Demons, and a lot of Scourge aren't Undead.

 

[Mecheon]

Undead technically means "Has been killed and brought back to life"

Necromancers and Acolytes aren't undead, they're both living

Death Knights I'm not terribly sure about. The WC2 versions are definantly undead, being human pallys with the spirits of warlocks and necrolytes in them, but the WC3 versions... Yeah

Gargoyles aren't undead, they're living creatures, though I have suspicions of a semi-golem origan to them

Obsidian Statues appear to have been Nerubian at one point, but then stolen by the Undead. Obsidian Sphyxs/Destroyers are, to the best of my knowledge, golems

So, lets look at the reasons why

The good ol' Dreadlords don't serve the Undead any more, but they used to in order to keep an eye on it
Necromancers, Death Knights and Acolytes serve because they're fanatics
Obsidian Statues are golems. When they're created they're forced to serve ones will
Gargoyles I assume must come in wild varities in Northrend, and a group followed the Scourge for slaughter or something, like vultures

 

[Chuckle Brother]

You know, chuckle, I have no idea WTF are you talking about.

I'm babbling, and posting why I think Demons would win over undead. Which is what this thread was before people started arguing over who is technically undead and who isn't.

And I think Death Knights are living but just all evil and whatnot. Since Arthas became a Death Knight but he wasn't dead(At least I don't think he was). He was just corrupted by power and swayed to the side of evil.

 

[Horn]

And I think Death Knights are living but just all evil and whatnot.

We've already stated what they are. What you think they are is irrelevant.

 

[Raiju]

dont tell me you found all this lore about the "Tothrezim" in blizz novels :shock:

 

[Horn]

dont tell me you found all this lore about the "Tothrezim" in blizz novels :shock:

I didn't. They did

 

[Shadowy Crafter]

I can accept living acolytes, necromancers and... yeah, living death knights (but I prefer much more the wc2 ones. Now those were undead!) But gargoyles and obsidian creatures don't like them at all! Instead of gargoyles, blizzard could've put ghost or something

Bout obsidian.... dunno yet

 

[Raiju]

Heroes of M&M FOREVER!

 

[Horn]

There are ghosts, banshees and shades...

 

[Shadowy Crafter]

There are ghosts, banshees and shades...

There are banshees (which I think aint truly ghosts BTW), shades (a kind of ghosts) and those are all the ghostly undead army units.

No, I mean ghosts as a flying unit just like wights/wraiths in heroes of M&M. Think you know'em.

 

[Horn]

Again, there are ghosts. There's a ghostly mounted mage, Kel'Thuzad and Keeper

Just because there's not a ghost creep in warcraft 3 doe snot deny their existance.

 

[Raiju]

ghosts are undead non-substancial freaks that go scarying ppl

so that includes banshees and shades...

 

[Shadowy Crafter]

Shades are ghost. I agree in that. But I'm not much convinced bout banshees. No matter. But whta I truly meann is that there's always space 4 1 more.

 

[Mecheon]

Bashees are ghosts. High Elven ghosts

Hell, the very origins of the word "Banshee" date back to Irisih mythological women spirits said to scream and wail and stuff

 

[Kimbo]

they should add a stygan, or is that a ghoul? meh
styn well watver its spelled as.

 

[Shadowy Crafter]

Yeah, I know the origins of irish banshee legends, mech. But still banshees look too much corporeal to me. perhps if they had more transparency in the model... dunno, i'm not a modeler.

 

[Mecheon]

Uh...

Shades look as corperal as Banshees

 

[Shadowy Crafter]

Then banshees should be invisible also. OR shades should be transparent also. Heck! I'm getting confused myself. :roll:

 

[Raiju]

Shadowy, go get some sleep...

 

[Shadowy Crafter]

Quizá tengas razón, raiju. Son las 11:25 p.m. aquí y tengo un examen de biología. Mejor dejo esta tonteria de banshees y shades que ya ni yo mismo entiendo. Bah!

Whatever, GOOD NIGHT!!!

EDIT: oH! b4 I forget, raiju. 11.25 pm here. Guess where I am if u can

 

[Ramza]

Quizá tengas razón, raiju. Son las 11:25 p.m. aquí y tengo un examen de biología. Mejor dejo esta tonteria de banshees y shades que ya ni yo mismo entiendo. Bah!

Whatever, GOOD NIGHT!!!

EDIT: oH! b4 I forget, raiju. 11.25 pm here. Guess where I am if u can

I think Spain

 

[olofmoleman]

Hmm, yeah judging by that unreadable text, I only know English, Dutch and Swedish I too think he's from spain.

btw Ramza where are you from?

 

[Ramza]

Hmm, yeah judging by that unreadable text, I only know English, Dutch and Swedish I too think he's from spain.

btw Ramza where are you from?

The West Staines Massive! 8)
Nee... Holland natuurlijk Ik wist alleen dat het spaans was door de site freetranslation.com

 

[olofmoleman]

W00t!! ik ook!, maar, dat wist je waarschijnlijk al...

anyway, back to talking in English.

 

[Horn]

Ik hou van taarte!

 

[Rui]

Lol, even if netherdrakes and voidwalkers aren't demons, they SERVE the demons, so meh, gg to the lich king. Or maybe they would think on mass skeletons from necros like I do on BNets? :twisted:

-Rui

 

[Ramza]

W00t!! ik ook!, maar, dat wist je waarschijnlijk al...

Yep

Ik hou van taarte!

Can u speak Dutch?

 

[Raiju]

he is from Mexico too ^^

finally a conterran

this language (dutch, german?) is so strange. i cant recognize a single word

 

[Shadowy Crafter]

Nope, no spanish people typing this post. You'll never guess where I am.

Anyway, I believe voidwalkers and nether dragons are creatures made of pure void and darkness. Somehow, darkness elementals. Am I right, mecheon?

 

[Ramza]

Nope, no spanish people typing this post. icon_wink.gif You'll never guess where I am.

But I went to www.freetranslation.com => copied ur text and translated 'spanish to english' and then I could read it, so it has to be spanish :?

this language (dutch, german?) is so strange. i cant recognize a single word

Dutch is not the same as German. Ye I know dutch is a weird language, I hate Dutch songs and movies American ownz

 

[Raiju]

i like american songs, but the best language is spanish you cant deny that

español rlz

Ramza, just because its spanish doesnt mean he is from Spain :lol:

there are a LOT of countries who speak spanish, beginning with mine, the whole central america, the whole south america (less for brazil, suriname and Las Guianas Francesas) and the Atlantic Isles who speak both portuguese and spanish, and of course spain. did i miss any other?

note: the island countries most of them speak a lot of languages, french, english, spanish...