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DBZ Tribute Elite v2.1c

2.1c: Bug fixes, general improvements, balance changes. Updated to be compatible with patch 1.24.

Changelog: 2.0 - 2.1

Fixed Krillin's stat gain
Enter Body now works on allies.
Made sure the abilities learned by Buu are their proper levels
Lowered the cost of Geti towers to 5k
Increased Super 13's stat gain
Fixed a bug that causes multiple sagas to appear
Nerfed gravity balls
Added shorthand commands (r for revert, kao for kaox10,LC, LW, LL for locations,fh for fusion, a14, a15 for absorb, hs for help skills,
Added the ability to build Geti's buildings on solid ground (Lookout, Geti's starting area, cities)
Increased the number of zombies spawned during the Bio Broly saga
Changed the saga defeat messages
Changed the player leaves message
Added the option to make 10 Geti clones at the price of 12. (Time to train is equal to the time it takes to train one)
Added a Dragonball hunt mode
Nerfed saga bonuses
Made z able to pick up a ticket if drops one
Added model credits
Fixed potential bugs with Geti causing the game to last forever.
Moved items and units out of HBTC and Capsule when killed
You no longer lose Krillin / Cooler forever if you die in a tournament
Buu can now absorb Krillin / Gotenks
Box, etc. are now transferred between forms
Haze Shenron has a fixed aggro range
Duel Bebi - Can no longer fight bulma
Fixed a problem with the f9.
Remade the Bio Item
Garlic can no longer leave the tower
Made the tournament a little faster
Made some changes to attributes.
Added floating text showing damage done by attacks, abilities, etc.
Tsufuru spirits buffed
Added fancy floating text showing spell names
Disabled Enter Body during duels
Refreshed abilities @ duels
Added host detection
Added Terrain swapping
If transmitters are destroyed, the ability they give is no longer usable by the Androids.
Added new commands for hosts only.
No duels for people in cinematics (mystic, etc.)
Fixed a bug with Vegito that caused him to become invulnerable
Only one duel at a time
Nerfed Geti's armor and attack / aura
Made the Tree of Might fruit droppable
Fixed a bug with High Power Rush
Changed Mankind destruction's hotkey to n
Removed "-amagadcoolertest"
Added a "duel declined" message
Made standing on the hill add one stat per second
Added an experimental flying system.
Added improved Aura effects

If you find a bug, or if you want to suggest a new feature, PM ikcilapmada at dbzt.freeforums.org

Direct Download link:
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Thanks to Womplord / Gotenkz for creating the original DBZ Tribute!

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DBZ Tribute Elite v2.1c (Map)

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Heero: A fine DBZ map with models, spells and even more. Approved. Dr Super Good: Very fun map, worth a play or two if you have time. Has some ballence problems but nothing too major if you are good at it.
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Hey, really nice work. Though i think you could balance more, fix the piccolo bug, and de-rigge bebi. Also, why can't Goku use the famous Spirit Bomb? Is one of his best moves...instead of that he has "Dragon Fist".Good game anyway.


Editing.It seems you made a spirit bomb in the very beggining of this map. But it sucked. Well, do a good one now? Infortunaly, 'nother map i know already got a really good idea (literally Goku is gathering energy for the bomb, people must protect him so that he can complete the bomb.. Ultimate Dragon Ball Z. But you can't just go and copy around nowadays, can you?) Oh well. And how do i fly? i searched and didin't find any information about flying. (And another map had already a good idea to fly. On hiveworkshop, dbz the sayan race. but again you can't copy things, so...) Oh well. Keep the good work.

edit2. I hate the 4mb size limit.

edit3. Since i'm a fail with Goku, i'm using Gohan. It suits me very well. Still waiting for a new version... Janemb is the 2nd more strong guy i guess. THen comes Omega shenron. And... fix bebi, and piccolo krillng bug. Also, Broly reincarnation is a bit TOO op. Imagine: we have the same stats as broly in his full power. I use EVERYTHING i can, as him as well. After all the hard work.. puff. Revives, and killus in instants. You need to be FAR superior to broly to kill him ,because you gotta fight him 2 times, without recovering life or cooldowns of skills. So, you should balance that. Thanks anyway.

edit4. PLEASE READ THIS!
 
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Both the spirit bomb and the flying system were thrown together really quickly to see how people would react to them, since neither of those two things had ever been attempted in the map before. Unfortunately, both of them received a lot of criticism, and were disabled.

Spirit bomb - charge time, potentially a really strong ability, but too impractical.
Flying - It was too easy to get stuck.
 
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I see. Sorry about the complaning. And... thanks. You're a genius. You ALREADY made this map a anti-update map! Thanks,thanks. I won't have to wait for your map to do the "surviving" update like others who still haven't done.

edit: YES. Unbelievable. I don't know how to thank you MORE. Bebi is now fixed, as well as piccolo... and no more unstuck! yahoo. You are the god of DBZ Tribute.
 
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4mb cryyyy it means i can play only single.. how u think i can play this map in multiplayer? i play in euro server.. and there is max 3,50mb.. what can host but not 4mb.. ; ((((( how do i play now in multiplayer?
 
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Adampalicki.... huh... when i hear that name i must go in WC 'cus i must ShIT, cus you man noob in EDITING maps... THIS NEW VErsION IS totALy sHit !!!!
IS THAT SPIRIT BOMB?!!?! OMfg i cant plAY dbz anymore... -.- PLEASE GIVE ME OPEN MAP of dbz ANd U will see what is EDITIN.... PLs
IF U wANT send me on email [email protected] and u will see what wonder i can build from that map... PLEASE

Very constructive criticism.
 
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THEY DID!? NICE, a good thing in the update :D 8 mbs so... the maps will be SO better now... oh well. Adam, i had an Idea for Broly's Reincarnation. 1st, you can always take it out and put another skill. 2nd, you can make it so that the reincarnation burns ALL his mana. I think that's pretty fair. Oh, and you must fix a thing: the cooler towers ARE REALLY good, you already know that. And costs a lot money too. BUT, if cooler get sufficient money, he can spam the towers all over the map. So what? Here's the deal: when the towers kill something, it gives stats to cooler. Which means everytime the creep spawns, the tower will kill it and it will give cooler some stats for doing absoutely nothing. Then what 1000 towers will do to him? You MUST fix that... and buu's hold? I think it is too OP. Alas from that, it's everything perfect. Keep the good work.

edit: answer soon if you can. I'm just a anxious boy, i can't wait to see what are you going to do about my (awesome) suggestions! :D
 
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I don't plan on making the map much bigger than 4mb if I decide to actually go over the limit.

Broly: I don't think the problem is in his reincarnation. The problem seems to be the fact that he has three really strong abilities that are hard to miss with. The main 'strategy' that makes Broly powerful all game is the 'Hell rush'. What I see as the problem is this: Broly's 'Power Level Rising' is relatively powerful for the mana cost and cooldown of the ability, and it hits everything around him. Very good for a character that likes to die early game, innit? That same ability is incredibly easy to hit with in fights, because Energy Punch will get you right up next to your opponent. What I would do: Make the ability do less damage if the opponent is farther away, dealing as little as 25% damage at max distance. It may not seems like a big deal at first, but a lot of rushes involve hitting things at the very edge of the AoE. If nothing else, it'd take a few more seconds to pop out of hell and wreck everyone. It'd also give Z fighters a little more of a chance to get away or kill him.

Cooler's towers: It takes a good amount of micro to be able to mass towers while playing Cooler. It's also a complete waste of time to build them if people come in and blow them up 10 seconds after they finish building. Sure, it's a little overpowered, but it's also easily countered. I guess what I'm trying to say is that anyone that can successfully mass towers would probably win the game anyway.

Flesh Attack: It hits really hard. It hits one target. It has a long cooldown. Honestly, it's more of an "Oh shi-" button that you'll probably only be able to use once or twice before hitting 90. Compared to other abilities at the same level / with the same stats, it is definitely overpowered. But I have to ask, how often do you see a Buu out-level everyone early-mid game? Most of the time, Buu would die in one or two abilities because of his low level / stats. His flesh attack is the only way he can actually fight back. Regen blows all of his mana, explosion makes him incredibly vulnerable to camping, Disbursement doesn't really do much at all, and he really shouldn't be smacking someone if they hit harder than him.
 
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Adam, i decided to make a complete scanning of your map. Here's what i got.

Your last coment:
Broly: Well, if you're certain of that, you could try it. Though i still think fixing reincarnation could solve it really well. Make like the regen: wastes all mana, like i said before.

Cooler: I see. If you say so...

Flesh Attack: "But I have to ask, how often do you see a Buu out-level everyone early-mid game? Most of the time, Buu would die in one or two abilities because of his low level / stats." Actually... today's pinks are really pro's. So, usualy, they have same stats, or even better than most players, for lots of reasons. Which means Flesh Attack get even more powerful, and if Majin Buu don't kill ppl with his own attack (usualy he does... on my games) he does with Flesh Attack.

Now, to the characters!Remember, everything is relative

Goku: Main Char, Prolly the guy with most transformations, which is good. Kaioken is good early game...ss3 is good too... ss4 have a power level that almost no one can reach... gogeta ss4 is prolly the most powerful guy on earth... Lockon, sense, etc. But... he begins on heaven. You could make him gain more exp than others on heaven, that should do it. Got killed (in the anime) by Special Beam Cannon, with Raditz. Though Raditz appear on Saga... kinda strange. Anyway. Not only that, but... only after reaching ss4 Goku stand a chance, cause he's kinda weak. (Everything is relative, you'll see why later..) Usualy, on my games, evil are super powah, and you always have to fuse to kill them. Fusion is a game winner like you said, but they HAVE to fusion to win. It is the only way. If they (Vegeta and Goku) get killed before they can fuse? Then, hopes someone's go, and hide on the future. One of the worsts things about being good guy is... well, i'll say on General's.
Balance goku? i'll say on generals.

Vegeta- Almost as good as Goku, but can't sense, can't lockon, and don't have kaioken/ss3. But he can train in Gravity Chamber, which is better than ss3 in my opinion. Still, not powerful enough. Fuse and you'll win.(Some times, even fusing is not enough..) Otherwise, evils gotta be noobs! lol. Almost forgot uss and. USS (Super Form) makes (in the anime) slower... but in this double str. I don't remember if it was both vegeta/trunks or only trunks :O Prolly trunks because of his uss2... Well, nothning against it. whatever.(Majin influence is not that good. On Anime, it is like ss2 forevah...)Still..............
Balance? General's.

Gohan- My fav char. Why? Because most of things good doens't have... he DOES! Alas from good transformations, 1st: potential=bonus stats. Bonus stats are REALLY great. Just awesomely great. 2nd Mystic is like a perm ss3 with no stealing mana. Though you can't be Oozaru. You just need to kill 15 targets on Mystic.. But why not kill the others? When each target gives you 15 stats!? Some Gohans are stupid to use Dr Kochin vials to get the targets... as long as i know, Gohan don't get bonus stats for others than him getting the kills. Balance Gohan? Make him a bit more powerful. Later why.

Gotenks- They are good. Permanent fusion, who could ask for more? But... First, Goten and Trunks are easily killed. Which turns into forever heaven, since they would waste tickets if they revive. Which means it takes a LOT more time to reach a good lvl to fuse, and become powerful. And EVEN at lvl 150 with fusion and ss3, they still can kill him...
Balance purp? Make them a bit more hard to kill. And General's.

Future Trunks. He's good. Sword gives him some advantage, though advantage to me is not on the attack, but on the stats. Oh well. Improved Sword + uss2 makes him really good, which means he's kinda good (USS2= SS2 + Oozaru). Though he doens't have ss3/4, the double str makes for it. So, it's one of the strongest and easy to use from good. Balance him? Make him a bit more powerful. Maybe on the sword?

Piccolo- Since i'm just now playing with him a bit, I know little about him. But from what i know, he's almost like Gohan, but without the stats bonuses. First, That technique that supposedly only Lord Slug knows, but every namek can use. Same thing as oozaru. Then, we have.. nail. ss without stealing mana. Then... kami. ss2,3 i don't remember without stealing mana. Buuut we still have those same problems.. stats. And though he don't waste mana at transformations, he wastes at regen. But regen is good, so whatevah. One of the most weak at peak in my opinion.

Krillin- (Where do i get the code again? lol That Strange, Locked box perhaps? Never figured a way to open it..) People say using Krillin is noobish. But... Krilin is perhaps one of the best z fighters (though he is a earthling.) First: 3 dmg spells. the only one that have 3 dmg spells on z fighters. And that's not all! The spells are prolly one of the best of the game. Scattering Bullet is unique, and gives a punch. Kamehameha is..well, good n old kamehameha. Destructo Disc? No words. 50% of max life percent is a lot dmg to get those uber hps guys. Krillin is the best saga hunter/ op evil killer at all because of that. First, Solar flare, then, scaterrinig bullet. Then, destructo disc! If the bastard STILL IS alive, finish with Kamehameha Wave!(Original name, lol) One thing that makes me REALLY angry is that Krillin gain same Z fighters power levels just by upping. No mana at all. Just level! So, Krillin almost don't need to be balanced. Maybe just some more stat bonuses is ok, but JUST A LITTLE BIT, really bit.

EVIL ONES!! MAWHwahhawahwaWA

Androids- 3 heroes. With mana shields. If they're pros, then everyone else is fucked. Oh, now just one hero! (With a ss2 power, or ss3 , don't remember.) Then... ultra. something like uss3. They don't have stat bonuses, but 1- no going to hell until fusion or super computer destroyed 2- Scouter assembler and wards 3- uss3 thing, they're a bit op..but they are. Even WITHOUT stats bonuses. Or maybe they have, i don't know right now. Balance Androids? Balancing good guys. Oh, that Atomic bomb is a bit too powerful. Though you can run of it, you can't run forever.

Buu- Babidi have some cool spells, that can really protect him if he's in trouble, and while majin buu is not awaken. Dabura can always kill weaklings, or babidi's same strenght, cause he's stronger than babidi. Hex great for punishment and escaping. Though he doens't have dmg spells at all, Dabura should do it all well. Majin Buu awaken?
2 things: Hold, and chocolate. I already said everything about hold. And chocolate... God saves me. Without the power levels, HUMANS, IN TOWN, gives 6 stats,and monsters give 9... like a stats transmute. But it's more likely to be used in the humans, that don't give stats at all. If a good Buu knows about chocolate and use it well,god save us. Not even fusion, not even fusion. With that in mind, Kid buu is lots powerful. Manking Destruction is one of the best spells too. a Bit OP. Not very good for open battle, but deadly for tourny's/duels, where you can't run. Buu regen takes all mana...right? if does not, make so that it wastes all mana. Balancing buu? balance the hold, the chocolate... Dabura is ok i guess. Chocolate is awesomely stat bonuse, weak chocolate thing a bit... and balancing good guys.

Bebi- before, bebi sucked. Now? Bebi is adorable. Perfectly balanced, and easy to play. He usually owns, not because of OP, but because he is easy to play. And by perfectly balanced, i mean how it should be. Z fighters, normaly, are weakest than him. Without a body, he's kinda powerful. With those guards too.. With a body, he owns. Super? he owns more.he's perfectly perfect. People just gotta know how to use him, since he's kinda a new char, because no one used him cause of bugs. Just balance good guys.

Broly- Power level is ok. I understand Legendary super sayan is awesome, but just because he can transform to legendary super sayan don't give him the power to legendary sayan passive? (nothing, x1.5. SS, 2.5. LSS, 3.5) Maybe too much? Energy punch is way too good, as well as the...forgot the name. Ok, he is killlable. He is perfectly balanced, in many ways. But then... he rez. He rez! at full health and mana! And cd skills no more! You killed him at your peak, you wasted all of u, and he combo u, and then PAM. That makes Broly OP. balance? Something you said before, or fix rez somehow.

Cell- He is in the same shape as Z-Fighters. Ultra Perfect is x3.5... if you balance z-fighters, balance him a bit too. Make him a bit better. Though... cell juniors. Ok, balance him less than z-fighters, or balance cell juniors.

Cooler- He's good. Though Mass Towers makes him OP... but you said that can be countered. So, he's good.

General- I think everyone shud have a way to teleport,or to fly. Maybe another system of flying? Everyone shud sense as well. Not sense someone exactly, but pings all enemy location? Everyone on DBZ can sense energy...Goku can sense more acurrately, that's all. Oh, and good guys don't have good stats bonuses. Only Gohan does. Almost all evils have some way or other to gain stats other than killing/tournys/sagas. So, you should do the same to Z-Fighters. Like.. King Kai Traning just give 3 levels to Goku? Geez, he shud at least have more 40 stats!i Still would love Goku with spirit bomb *-*
same to the others... evil always win in my games because of stats bonuses/op skills D: We have Hiperbolic? Cooler has tower, Buu has chocolate, Androids have wards, assembler, and mana shields, Bebi have guards, Cell have cell juniors, and Broly have rez/power level rising. Hiperbolic is really useful, but it just give faster leveling. About double fast. And that's a thing evil can turn up easily. Is it right that the Dragon Ball radar just tracks 2 balls after the first gathering? If not, fix it. And i KNOW, that's a LOT hard to make, but... could you, maybe, make characters more unique? Maybe give one more skill to everyone. Would be nice too.

few. This took a GOOOD time. about 1 hour.i really hope you take my comments here on account. If you do everything like i said, well, not exactly, but if you get the same idea, (and it, for god sakes, works. Not like utopic socialism and the real socialism. Just an example) the game will be perfect. Or at least i think. well, it will be REALLY, AWESOMELY good. Keep the good work. And with the 8 mbs size? Everything i said can be true now.)


EDIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you, Adam, read this? Anyone? I made a so good analysis, i wanted someone to read it D:
(And again, fix the dragon ball radar. At least, in the anime/manga, it is not supposed to be like that. Thanks again)


EDIT 2: When a game is good... is ok. But when you play a game, and it have a matching soundtrack, boy, it is amazing. I could play some games just to hear the music. Like To The Bitter End maps, Phase Killer, etc... Which means: If you can find a good DBZ music (could be a opening or something. I suggest Super Survivor, intro of DBZ Budokai Tenkaichi 3) It would be AWESOME!!!!!!!!!! If you research for DBZ Soundtrack on wikipedia, it lists all musics DBZ used on all time... then just look somewhere, like 4shared.com or something.

EDIT 3:Forget about the "could you, maybe, make characters more unique? Maybe give one more skill to everyone. Would be nice too.", it is REALLY unique already :O Sorry for misjudging you..though one more skill woulda be awesome :O

edit 4: Re-analyzed. I still have the same opinion... all chars are unique, but... i still think evil have always something OP. Z-Fighters are good, but... Androids always fuse togheter. (They leach exp/stats from each other?) First, what a good micro don't do. Second, transmitters, third, even if they'll be togheter, it still would be OP their fusion to happen... nerf them or something. Maybe modify charge a bit? And Buu. Babidi is good, as i said before. But Buu... man, buu always win. We can't make a spirit bomb to kill him, you know :O Broly. Thawned from ice? :O God, he have a power level like ss4 EARLY, and STILL have rez? Man... and what about his skills!? Man.... Legendary Ultra Super Sayan O_O and rez. God help us. Bebi... bebi is ok. I Guess. Though if he gets bulma, again, god help us. Let me see... Cell... cell... he is the most vulnerable... though if he absorbs all humans... maybe he could share with buu. One get west city and the other get the east city, GOT IT? .-. Cooler gain power level for killing. Get power from dying. It is almost immortal... and can transform! .-. Did i forgot someone? Nope. And... what other skill Buu gets? god, he's good enough like he is, and he still can have a extra skill? lol. (I wonder how you get it...and i'm 99% sure you're not telling.) And i finaly found the use to the Mysterious Box!!! I wonder if you get Krillin that way... or maybe a unlock code for EVIL, well, i don't know, cause i didn't get it. But there is something unusual about that frog... Memory a bit froggy. Or shud i say foggy? I wonder how you recovery it... but of course you're not answering me D: well, anyway. I already made 4 edits, for god sake, read this Ç_Ç
 
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Hello

Adam, I have found a new bug for Cell you might check it out and fix. I was level 130 and died by a Z fighter and became second form with low level. I tried to die again but nothing happends. I think the only way to obtain new power for Cell, is to be killed by juniors. I hope you read this message and fix the bug.
 
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ikcilapmada Cooler is too rigged many is complaining. I really wish if you would delete the stuff that makes him rigged like the towers and stuff, you find out. Everytime I host a game Cooler will be closed because its not normal that he gets 40k stats and 2k armor.
 
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I think u havent played the map really here some points

Adam, i decided to make a complete scanning of your map. Here's what i got.

Your last coment:
Broly: Well, if you're certain of that, you could try it. Though i still think fixing reincarnation could solve it really well. Make like the regen: wastes all mana, like i said before.

first, the recarnation doesnt refresh cd:s and it isn't imba evil needs it to fight back fusion and second none of the regens burn all mana, and it would be stupid if they would. And as It takes some tome from broly to revive Z:s has time to revert and use senzu and be on full hp and mana.

Flesh Attack: "But I have to ask, how often do you see a Buu out-level everyone early-mid game? Most of the time, Buu would die in one or two abilities because of his low level / stats." Actually... today's pinks are really pro's. So, usualy, they have same stats, or even better than most players, for lots of reasons. Which means Flesh Attack get even more powerful, and if Majin Buu don't kill ppl with his own attack (usualy he does... on my games) he does with Flesh Attack.

WTF? flesh attack is only good thing on buu, it's the thing that keeps him alive for the 5 minutes he is under level 90, it would be imbossible to do namek saga with buu if he wouldn't have flesh attack and it's pretty hard even now, and buu needs higher power earlier to absorb Z fighters.

Goku: Main Char....blaa...blaa...

First I dont say anything about Raditz being on earth when Goku is dead and Vegeta is on Z fighters side when he should be with Nappa, i dont care about that they are little things. And Goku does Gain more exp on heaven than you can on earth witch is good but in heaven you gain lesser stats witch balances it just enough, only thing weak on goku is that he has nothing between ss and ss2 but thats how it is and level 85 is easy to reach at namek saga if u can play u'r cards right. ss3 is good the little time before ss4. And wtf? Broly, Vegeta, Bebi, Buu and Cooler all gets the 4x stats, so how Goku is so supa powah? if it really takes fusion from u to kill evils like allways Then i just think u'r pretty noob.

Vegeta- Almost as good as Goku, but can't sense, can't lockon, and don't have kaioken/ss3. But he can train in Gravity Chamber, which is better than ss3 in my opinion. Still, not powerful enough. Fuse and you'll win.(Some times, even fusing is not enough..) Otherwise, evils gotta be noobs! lol. Almost forgot uss and uss2(USS2= SS2 + Oozaru). USS makes (in the anime) slower... but in this double str. Well, nothning against it. USS2 is a bit crazy, but whatever.(Majin influence is not that good. On Anime, it is like ss2 forevah...)Still..............
Balance? General's.

WTF ARE YOU BLABBING ABOUT? Vegeta got as many transformations as Goku and got the sometimes good Time Chamber and Vegeta is stronger than Goku u get good starting place so it's easy to rush, Vegeta has 3 blast gallet Gun (normal pretty weak) Final Flash (a good attack) and Big Bang (really a massive damage attack) and after Turles u should have uss and easy access to kill Slug and others. And on witch fucking version he has USS2? WTF? Vegeta has these:
lvl 30 ss
lvl 50 uss
lvl 75 gravity chamber
lvl 85 ss2
lvl 100 earring
lvl 125 fusion dance
lvl 150 ss4
Future trunks has uss2 witch makes him slower and it's uss+5x str (compared to revert) and the slowed movement speed balances, he would be imba if he wouldn't be slowed, and the Majin's influense's point is to help Babidi not Vegeta so it's good like that

Gotenks- They are good. Permanent fusion, who could ask for more? But... First, Goten and Trunks are easily killed. Which turns into forever heaven, since they would waste tickets if they revive. Which means it takes a LOT more time to reach a good lvl to fuse, and become powerful. And EVEN at lvl 150 with fusion and ss3, they still can kill him...
Balance purp? Make them a bit more hard to kill. And General's.

LOL! Gotenks is so imba, I really begin to think that you'r noob. First it's about skills, best way is to get the other one to heaven and keep other one on earth. even when the kids only have ss u can keep in the level of others and if lucky make some sagas, then to fuse at lvl 75 (both of them) when others will be like at the same levels u get to level 150 and ss3 and like 9k stats when others have like 3-6k stats, so keep him just like that, its really awesome in good players hands.

Future Trunks. He's good. Sword gives him some advantage, though advantage to me is not on the attack, but on the stats. Oh well. Improved Sword + uss2 makes him really good, which means he's kinda good (USS2= SS2 + Oozaru). Though he doens't have ss3/4, the double str makes for it. So, it's one of the strongest and easy to use from good. Balance him? Make him a bit more powerful. Maybe on the sword?

FT is really powerful enough. at start he gets stronger faster than anyone else and can make sagas on with the firsts, but he really sucks at late game so he's jsut a tool what Z fighters can use against evils and he really works. (the high power rush is really almost imba skill)

Piccolo- Since i'm just now playing with him a bit, I know little about him. But from what i know, he's almost like Gohan, but without the stats bonuses. First, That technique that supposedly only Lord Slug knows, but every namek can use. Same thing as oozaru. Then, we have.. nail. ss without stealing mana. Then... kami. ss2,3 i don't remember without stealing mana. Buuut we still have those same problems.. stats. And though he don't waste mana at transformations, he wastes at regen. But regen is good, so whatevah. One of the most weak at peak in my opinion.

Hmm... Piccolo has good skills and power level (i'm not sure is he str hero in this ver only thing not sure at) and he MUST be str hero cos he sucks if he's not str hero. images are good and lvl 90 damage spells are good and koyoda is good but i think it's pretty hard to get him all that grazy so make him str hero (if he already isn't) and he's as good as others.


Buu- Babidi have some cool spells, that can really protect him if he's in trouble, and while majin buu is not awaken. Dabura can always kill weaklings, or babidi's same strenght, cause he's stronger than babidi. Hex great for punishment and escaping. Though he doens't have dmg spells at all, Dabura should do it all well. Majin Buu awaken?
2 things: Hold, and chocolate. I already said everything about hold. And chocolate... God saves me. Without the power levels, HUMANS, IN TOWN, gives 6 stats,and monsters give 9... like a stats transmute. But it's more likely to be used in the humans, that don't give stats at all. If a good Buu knows about chocolate and use it well,god save us. Not even fusion, not even fusion. With that in mind, Kid buu is lots powerful. Manking Destruction is one of the best spells too. a Bit OP. Not very good for open battle, but deadly for tourny's/duels, where you can't run. Buu regen takes all mana...right? if does not, make so that it wastes all mana. Balancing buu? balance the hold, the chocolate... Dabura is ok i guess. Chocolate is awesomely stat bonuse, weak chocolate thing a bit... and balancing good guys.

Have nothing to say about you'r babidi part but Majin Buu hold and chocolate? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. First is to get Majin before Namek saga then at namek saga you can do it with flesh attack and bam your over 80 or already 90 with super buu. Mankind is good for sagas and with ball you can absorb pretty easily to get kid. And why should regen take all mana, it would be shit then.
Broly- Power level is ok. I understand Legendary super sayan is awesome, but just because he can transform to legendary super sayan don't give him the power to legendary sayan passive? (nothing, x1.5. SS, 2.5. LSS, 3.5) Maybe too much? Energy punch is way too good, as well as the...forgot the name. Ok, he is killlable. He is perfectly balanced, in many ways. But then... he rez. He rez! at full health and mana! And cd skills no more! You killed him at your peak, you wasted all of u, and he combo u, and then PAM. That makes Broly OP. balance? Something you said before, or fix rez somehow.

Broly has unwathed ss uss lss and luss and he has 4x stast with the last luss. and as before said reincarnation isn't imba it's his savior.
Cell- He is in the same shape as Z-Fighters. Ultra Perfect is x3.5... if you balance z-fighters, balance him a bit too. Make him a bit better. Though... cell juniors. Ok, balance him less than z-fighters, or balance cell juniors.

Okey WTF? Cell is like the powerfullest bitch in the whorehouse he got reg, 3 blasts and really good cell juniors and if good u get 3x stast really fast. I usually get perfect form on levels between 35-45 when others got only 2x and after ultra perfect on lvl 130 he got lockon and sense WOW he's like the best a human can wish, but dont balance him like you shouldnt balance anyone.


To last: I dont know what fucking game are you playing? usually when i fuse i got 25k-30k stast and they are really hard to achieve with any evil and vegitos and gogetas skills are _really_ good sword of energy WOW! 1 hit to death. it's just like i can win with any char and be imba, cos I havent played full house with all as pro or more pro than me so cant know on that
 
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before that guy babbling and after my first post, i decided to play 10 times with all chars. And i keep most opinions i said. Evil usually win, and Goku and Vegeta are the only ones to reach x4 power (FT uss2 is almost as good as it though) all the rest can go max x3.5 and buu is usually really strong, even as fat version, so flesh attack IS too imba. Savior of broly? God, he normaly is x1.5 AND he becomes a early ss4, for god sake. I still think there is something to be fixed on cell. Though he can use koyoda even at Kami, it is still just 3x power level. Buu gets stats with chocolate, Androids get LOTS of stats/lvl after fusing, Bebi have bulma, Cooler have upgrades, Broly have unthawned, early ss4, and REINCARNATION, and 3 blasts... cell have cell juniors, regen, and can absorb humans at 2nd form,etc,etc. And Cooler/Androids revive till fusion(uber) and new body for cooler (uber). Now, what do GOOD guys have? Aside from Goku, Vegeta that can fuse and have ss4, almost NO ONE reaches the x4 lvl. And every evil reach it before Z Fighters do. Buu can't, but have regen, lots of good blasts, etc,etc. Androids can, Broly can(and have REINCARNATION) Cooler have towers, clones, upgrades, infinite coolers until destroying geti star or new cooler. And he gets better, killing, dieing, doing nothing... Cell don't have x4, but have regen, cell juniors, as you said, 3 blasts... Bebi can reach 4x, and have BULMA. So... nothing more to say.


edit: Fusion or die. Sometimes, evil are strong as fusion. And everytime i play, i don't see anything you said about, ANYTHING. me noob? God, then you just can't give a name to the tremendous ability of gotenks both at heaven, when everyone is lvl 200 they fuse, and wastes tickets... goku staying forever in heaven... gohan using vial to do mystic... and other really great... unnameable's. I really don't know what are you talkinb about, it simply doens't exist. It is like socialism/communism: you're talking about the utopic, but the reality is a whole another thing. Go play a bit, and check reality.

Thanks for your reading and comprehension Adam.

(edit) Again, thanks for your reading and comprehension Adam.

edit 2: Not everytime we're going to have a senzu bean.

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one thousand years later:edit: Still think evils are too op. If androids are pro they can outstand EVERYONE. Except fusion, MAYBE. But fusion takes too much time, z-fighters will lose before that. Cooler too. Buu flesh attack still is op. Broly rez is also op. Maybe rise cost mana? Z-Fighters have HBTC, Senzu Beans, And Afterlife tournament, but evil have fruit, GOOD monsters to kill while dead, and scouters. Nerf cooler, nerf androids, change something about broly, like increase level which he gets something, or cost of mana of rez. Buu, nerf mankind destruction and flesh attack. Also nerf a bit that frenzy Bebi have. Cell nerf a bit too, cause he can absorb ppl. Buu too. Or do something that also allow good ones to get good stats ( increase mystic/potential, give goku and vegeta one more stat per kill (like Sayians like to fight and all you know. Which means you can also give it to Broly.) Pic... like cooler. Everytime he regen, his stats are increased, since it makes a new, shiny arm and all. Future Trunks... he DOES have gohan's training, and lots of early things. Hum... Future Trunks... Also increase stats he gain in the future? Gotenks is ok, since they can make same strategy yellow's can. Though it is potencialized in yellow since there are 3 androids, and gotenks are 2 boys. Or if you don't want to add that saiyan thing, add only to vegeta (cause he REALLY goes to the killing) Broly (same things applies) and ft and goku also gains extra stats at heaven/future. Though I still prefer that every PURE BLOOD saiyan (goku,vegeta, and broly) to have that. Also, the senzu beans don't regen the quantity they say they regen. Please make it that they do so. Cause when we are really powerful, senzu's are good as staying some seconds near a fountain. If you are lucky enough, they can SAVE you from utterly destruction. Only to be killed by a CREEP after it. And that's it.

Release a new version SOON ENOUGH PLEASEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Adam, look for Watcher Kave on youtube. You might get inspired. Or might want to beg him to give you some of his spells. Just a suggestion. Cause he is FIK-FIK awesome. At doing spells. His hands are not human ones. As well as his mind and creativity.
 
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EDIT: How do I use "spoilers"? I want to make it so the post is mostly hidden unless you click the part you want to see. It's mostly a huge wall of text right now...
edit2: fixed :D

Yawn at the post above me.


If androids are pro they can outstand EVERYONE

You mean outstat? Yea if he keeps his droids at 35 the whole game. Doesn't change the fact that he still sucks at killing people if nuke doesn't do the job.

Bebi have bulma

Does Bulma even do anything after you get goozaru? Whatever she does can't help the fact that bebis best move will never hit an intelligent player.

Savior of broly? God, he normaly is x1.5 AND he becomes a early ss4

Yes broly does have a strong game, but he doesn't get his ss4 earlier than goku or vegeta. Yes reincarnation is good, but if the Z has a bean, they both get a full heal. In the mid-late game everyone can outrun Dsphere, stripping broly of his best nuke. This also applies to Buu's vanishing ball. Gohan can stun Buu during MKD with masenko, making him useless. Doesn't big bang also do a ministun? FT can stun buu with his power rush too. Buu gets worse if he absorbs someone because he loses buu beam, so angry explosion is out of the picture.

Cooler have towers, clones, upgrades, infinite coolers until destroying geti star or new cooler. And he gets better, killing, dieing, doing nothing...

It is also easy to keep geti down the entire game. Gohan can nuke all of his workers on the way to get potential, crippling his early game. He can also nuke them on the way back. If a Z fighter uses oozaru on turles, they can ss nuke coolers stuff again. If Z fighters kill slug right when he comes out, cooler is in for a VERY rough game. Cooler only has one nuke that will hit. If Z fighter who did nappa has ss by turles, he can take out turles and wheelo, then oozaru rush geti and no one can do anything about it due to the high stats. If geti is rushed by this, he stays in 1-1.5x until level 150.

Geti is only imbalanced against Z fighters who have no clue what they are doing. It is easy to keep him down. However if a geti does get going, he is the only counter to fusion.

Evil > Z fightars !!11shift+one!
Not exact quote...

tl;dr: I find them to be mostly equal. I almost always win with whatever team I'm on. I think you just aren't a very good player, especially with the amount of evil nukes that wont hit you if you run. Goku can lockon and give instant support. see

You've pointed out a lot of Evil's good points, but perhaps you have forgotten about what Z fighters have too? Goku can instantly back up any other Z fighter that gets attacked, making it a 2 on 1, usually resulting in Evil's death. FT can easily saga rush up to high stats and destroy Geti/Android computer. Only piccolo has a nuke that can be easily dodged, compared to broly, geti, buu, and bebi. Goku can keep cell from getting perfect by ganking him. After cell gets ticket cooldown, goku will likely have his 3x and keep cell out of the game. Can also put buu out of the game by killing Buu when he goes into evil form but before he has a chance to go super. A rarity but big benefit if done because evil buu gets no stats. HBTC. Pikkon rotating - Assuming > 2 Z fighters, one trains on pikkon until the other dies, the one that died trains on pikkon. Z fighters generally have earlier transformations, and less cinematics. Can get dragon balls earlier, can get faster with lockon. The only character that is garbage early are kids, but they are beasts at farming. Z fighters almost always get the first 3-4 sagas.

Revive system: Evils only get 2 tickets per 10 minutes. Evils also have 2 people who are guaranteed to die if they run into a Z fighter, babidi and bebi, and hell is a horrible place to train early game. Z fighters get a view of where they are going to revive, so they know if someone is waiting there for them. Evil does not, so a long awaited ticket might be useless with a few Z fighters around. Z fighters get 6 tickets, that appear to have same refresh rate as Evils, but Goku can buy them all at start so they start restocking even if no one is dying. Z fighters also get a fountain near revive point so they can restore lost mana.

Healing System: Z fighters get mobile full heals for almost every part of the game. They also get a fountain near revive point that they have full vision of. Evils have no way to regenerate mana except for the fountain in Androids area. I concede that evil is generally less mana dependent, but this is still important.


Things I like about Geti: His base is an object of battle. His late game give incentive for Z fighters to attack it as a team, but also for evils to defend it as a team. Some of my most fun/dynamic expiriences in this map have been fighting for Geti's base as both teams. If the Z fighters suck, he is good at ending the game quick, and doesn't have to do much work to secure the endgame. He is the only way of finding Z fighters reliably because scouter assembler can be destroyed, long cd on scouters, and they can break even if the power level isn't that high. Heck, it only broke on 9000 because of vegeta's fist. Geti is one of the few/only character(s) who doesn't rely on chaining after the early game. Can block ramps/restrict Z fighter movement with resource transporters.

Things about geti that could be improved: Armor aura is insignificant, perhaps replace it with a small damage aura or remove it all together.

Towers may be a little too cheap. I would suggest putting them to 7500 gold, but make the first tower built only cost 5000 as to not completely screw Geti's start. Each base generally requires a tower because sagas attack clones. One base doesn't, but it isn't the first one I go after. I say first one at 5000 so Geti can still get his economy up without being too delayed especially with resource harass. However I don't like this suggestion much because Z fighters can easily harass/rush getis resources before geti can do much about it.

Towers should be free to repair. If I successfully defend a tower or have a rough time getting them up, I shouldn't have to pay to keep it up. It also helps Geti survive post-slug if the tower cost is increased.

Research center is fairly empty, and is the only place wood is used. I think it would be cool if Geti could build towers for wood, and a combination of wood/gold. I.E. Towers cost either 5k g, 5k w, or 2.5k g/w. This would also help Geti build towers if tower cost is increased. All towers are of same quality. It takes longer to gather, but could be used as a last resort if the Z fighters are harassing goldmines.

Using one skill in the spellbook triggers cooldown for them all. I can see repair/images being on a linked CD, but I think teleport should have its own independent CD. Perhaps add an option for geti to split the spellbook into two, and then recombine them: "-split" "-c"/"-combine" This allows geti to conserve inventory slots if needed, or waste one for teleport if there is free space. I generally don't bother with the research center because of how important teleport is for base defense around the map. When I teleport to a base, all the other skills are on cooldown so they don't really help for defense. If I use one of the other skills in a random skirmish, it is likely that I wont have teleport the next time a base is attacked, so I have an incentive not to use the skills.

Geti starts near cell and gohan. I can generally get my fair share of the creeps, but this is very imbalanced for early fights. If all three are good players, gohan is forced to leave the area because cell will be chaining down to him from above, and geti will be blocking off the area to the right. He will get nuked by whichever one he runs into, and then the other one will off him with a second blast. Both cell and geti have means of healing early. This would take a major reterrain, but I suggest reworking the startzones. Piccolo also has a pretty bad start zone.

Geti's Final Form: I think Final form should only be 3.5x, but can go to 4.0x if Geti was at 3.5 when the star died.

There is one possible bug I found with Geti, I have it in replay form. I'd like to show you. It also reveals some balance problems. I currently use it as one of my Geti strategies, but I'm not sure if it is considered a bug or not. I haven't seen anyone else use it yet though...

I also found a big glitch with Geti's star. Haretsu no maho will kill it in one hit. A geti stole my fruit so I went in with Dabura and Yakon. I would've killed it anyway but it made my job a LOT shorter :D. I post in the spoiler so less people see.

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Some things that I would like to see changed with Babidi: Pui/Yakkon are based on .5x and 1.0x Bab's stats. This makes them a lot more effective. The drawback is you will have a lower level with buu, but you will get buu faster. Babidi is mostly a free kill early game, so getting Buu fast is a must. Perhaps this isn't needed, but every time I go bab, vegeta sucks dick. Also, when I'm vegeta, I am usually ready to go in HBTC when babidi influences. Oozaru takes the influence off permanently so I don't help him get Buu anyway.

Bebi: Bebi is also a free kill, almost all game. I would like to see him get 2x at level 25 as well as enter body, but getting 2x at 30 is usually too late. Bebi also has a completely dodgeable nuke. However, Does finger blitz do as much damage as all nukes in just one tick or does it do equal damage only if they stand in it the whole time? Currently bebi can only get a body if he gets 2x before someone else, or if another evil helps.

RVDB: This skill should be targetable anywhere. This will for more strategic use, or allow Bebi to use it in front of an injured foe, so the only option of outrunning it is to run into bebi. RVDB should have a longer casting range to support this with its easy dodgeability.

Bebi's summons: I've tried some strategies entailing staying in 2.0x and using summons to farm stats. However sagas hunt them on a priority of heroes. I've also abused this to hide sagas. Given bebi's horrible late game, I think sagas should ignore these summons, unless of course the summons attack the saga. This gives bebi a double edged sword -- risk an easy kill in 2.0x, but get more stats for later forms.

Buu: Monster candy should be slightly nerfed, but buu beam should carry over into kid buu form. I never absorb a Z fighter because I will outstat my 3.5x if I were to just stay in 3.0x and candy farm more. The nerf on candy wont make it too OP, but with buu being sensable, it is still necessary imo. Especially since MKD and vanishing ball is dodgeable, as explained in the first rant.

Future Trunks: FT is mostly useless late game. I noticed burning attack creates some "images" of FT but they do no damage. I think it would be cool if using burning attack made the images controllable, so he could farm with them. If this isn't an option, make uss2 move a little faster. Or make bio research slow the enemy so FT can attack in USS2 if he has it. If that is too OP still, perhaps Power Rush (uss2 only) would slow them after the stun so he can get some more attacks in. I realize his early game potential, but Evils can still overcome his saga stats with the nerfs, and juniors, candy, three droids on patrol.

Piccolo: Like much of the evil nukes, this Hell Zone grenade is completely dodgeable. I suggest making it faster, or buff scatter shot to work like MKD, but be weaker. Currently the only use for HZ grenade is when buu uses MKD, but he can often times regen the wounds easily and you're fucked because scattershot can't compete even with higher stats.

Gotenks: Give victory cannon back to gotenkz and take out shine missiles. I haven't found the shine missiles especially effective, and because of the weak early game, I think the late game should be stronger than it is. All they have to do is run away from ghosts, and if you don't have a significant amount of stats on them, they will just nuke you down.

Goku: Goku should start at the end of snake way with level 4, but if he doesn't train to level 10 in heaven he loses the levels. Currently Goku HAS to revive because starting in heaven is too slow, which is a guaranteed ticket waste. If he trains to level 10 in heaven he gets a free revive. Or could get creative and he only gets kao if he trains in heaven till 10 :D, or can't revive until 10 but has the option to take it free by typing -revive but can't do it after 15 or something.[/hidden]

Glitch: Super garlic can be punched out of lookout by broly, Have replay proof.

Question: I know stats from items give you more if you use in revert, but do you also get more from leveling/killing in revert? Building on this, items should more stats for higher multiplier, or at least equal.

Another quick one: Vanishing ball/Dsphere will go after other things than the target even if you don't tell it to. I also think they should travel faster and perhaps suffer a power nerf. Broly does have 3 nukes like vegeta, so perhaps it should be as strong as big bang.

A long read, but please consider.
 
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FrozenHelFire, creator of vamp beast. Woot, you like dbz. Deja vu: Jesse James ( Werewolf Transylvnia ) Like Naruto SWU xD. Oh well. What you said is true... though it requires the good guys to be pro and follow a specific routine. And BOTH things are way TOO rare to happen. Evil players are much easy to handle with, though as you said, some of their nukes aren't good. And I misjudged early ss4. I forgot broly gets it at 150. And you forgot to mention Cooler Towering Strategy which is way too OP. As you said, maybe change the cost? And yes, adam should REALLY fix Goku starting point. Begin with one ticket in inventory, and 6 on King Yama, so that technically his revive is "free". Everytime I'm goku I buy all the tickets then drop it... And I gotta go, if I forgot something i'll return.
 
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I have a question here, I started playing again this game last week, after a year or so.. first of all I download the last official version (this one, 2.1c), but then I find out another 2.1c (aka 2.2).. one of the main differences are the models, this 2.2 has MUCH more models (actually very cool). so, is that an official one? or mybe a stolen version :eek:

btw, this 2.2 has a SERIOUS issue with Ginyu, let's say a "fatal error" out of 2 games played -.-
 
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I have a question here, I started playing again this game last week, after a year or so.. first of all I download the last official version (this one, 2.1c), but then I find out another 2.1c (aka 2.2).. one of the main differences are the models, this 2.2 has MUCH more models (actually very cool). so, is that an official one? or mybe a stolen version :eek:

btw, this 2.2 has a SERIOUS issue with Ginyu, let's say a "fatal error" out of 2 games played -.-

"Mybe a stolen version"
:eekani::eekani::eekani:

Do you know how many people that have made their own versions?
It doesnt count as stealing anymore since everyone have their own versions.
And its not even sure that the other map your talking about is based on this map.
This isnt the original version either you know :p
 
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"Mybe a stolen version"
:eekani::eekani::eekani:

Do you know how many people that have made their own versions?
It doesnt count as stealing anymore since everyone have their own versions.
And its not even sure that the other map your talking about is based on this map.
This isnt the original version either you know :p

That is relative. If it is about DBZ Tribute Reverted, the first dbz tribute (I think) where everyone based it on, then yes, it doens't really count as stealing cause of the 1000 different versions. Like vampirism or something. Beast is the best though, as well as Elite is the best dbz tribute. But he is clearly referring to a stolen version of DBZ Elite Tribute. The game is clearly a modified version from 2.1c, because of many things that only exist at 2.1c and are in 2.2, etc.
 
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Before DotAs days, when it still wasnt big, EVERYONE and i mean EVERYONE that didnt play TDs playing DBZ Tribute. So its not weird that this is the second most downloaded map.
But nowdays it isnt the most played map, and other maps is getting downloads faster then this, so in a few months, if now more, this map may go down in the list, who knows.

You could get a full house in this map in about 20 sec at the time it was popular, now you should understand how popular it was.

But ofc, if you didnt play wc3 back then, you may not have known :|
 
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Why I didn't played dbz tribute at that time D:

When i said everyone, i mean almost everyone, about 2 years ago (if not more) you could see about 5-10 DBZ Tribute games in the list at the same time, and all games get full house instantly.
People pretend that all maps had its chance before DotA took over b.net, but thats not really true, before DotA it was pretty much the same thing with this map, but not as much people played it.
 
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You would, I can tell you are into books and cartoons containing little kids with oversized breasts.

Oh personal insults I am so afraid of you insulting me, for the record so what if I like Cartoons, books, movies, music, video games, and comics. My personal life shouldn't effect you at all considering this is the internet.

All you've done is act like. "Oh this map doesn't deserve all the downloads and popularity it gets because I think it sucks and my map is better."

You may not have intended to do that but your attitude pretty much screams that. Now if you don't like the map that's fine, but don't go bashing what others enjoy because that only serves to make yourself look like a prick.
 
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Whatever u people say... DBZ Tribute V10b10 is way better than this ..
My opinion ! -emrad mode rocks.
U should add -emrad mode.
 
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@ adampalicki, when are you going to update this? Its been two years and it could use updates/fixes? And if you do what would the updates be?
 
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Thanks for the notice

I suppose now would be an okay time, since it looks like Gotenkz is gone again. I've got a beta map up at http://dbzte.blogspot.com/ that needs some players for testing. I've been updating the map every few days with fixes and new things. Looking to add some new characters pretty soon as well.

Ok thanks for the response adamp not trying to get on your back or anything but DBz trib is a great mod and it shouldn't stop at 2.1c Can you go into details of what will be updated in 2.2. Personally I think the androids buffs at their base should get nerfed, super 13 nukes are too weak now, broly determination cd too long now, can u fix gotenkz duel bug, he can't duel. Kid buu explosion doesn't work in tourney should find a way to make it work w/o bug. Metal cooler tower base and clones should hav a limit get nerfed or be much more expensive later on. Cell mana is bit too low at the start.goku dragon fist should have bigger aoe, the dragon animation doesn't do shit, goku also deserves a third nuke besides Kame and fist, like super kaioken fist or something. That's all I have to suggest for now, respond to this ASAP, adamp or whoever does DBz trib now
 
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