[Comic Preview]:"Desert Raiders Volume 3"

[Dr00d]

Can you say mech fight?!?!?11/one1!?!!?slash/!/1?

I hope some of you are looking forward to this, even with all of the Elenai comic hub-bub out.

 

[Elenai]

Its incredible...Was this hand drawn?

 

[Dr00d]

That's not funny.

 

[Elenai]

I found it quite hilarious.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

uh... what the heck?

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

I'm tired of this "comic preview" bullshit...

Elenai can get away with this, because, as he said, he hand draws his stuff. You, on the other hand, slap a couple models on a backdrop and add a title.

This is the equivalent to that guy on XKCD featuring a "comic preview" where there's a stick figure with a caption above saying "COMIC #356 COMING SOON!"

...No, come to think of it, it's worse than that, because this happens all the time, and you're raising your post count with each session.

 

[Kaitech[SanD]]

People have their hobbys...

I quite like the look of it!

 

[Dr00d]

I'm tired of this "comic preview" bullshit...

Elenai can get away with this, because, as he said, he hand draws his stuff. You, on the other hand, slap a couple models on a backdrop and add a title.

This is the equivalent to that guy on XKCD featuring a "comic preview" where there's a stick figure with a caption above saying "COMIC #356 COMING SOON!"

...No, come to think of it, it's worse than that, because this happens all the time, and you're raising your post count with each session.

The last one I put out was over a month ago. o.0

I could see your point if it happened every other week, but in the months I've been hear I've only posted 5 in total (Pyrities Gone Bonkers, Scooby Doo and THW, Power of the Horde, and 2 Volumes of Desert Raiders), some without this little announcement thread. And I'm not sure how long it was between Power of the Horde and the announcement of Desert Raiders, but I know it was a good while.

And I've said it before, please, if you think the way I do my comics sucks, try it yourself. Eleani's will get old after a while, their one panel, and in the case of the one with the bunny, didn't make me laugh. The X-mas one did, but if you had shown that to someone that wasn't at the Hive, they wouldn't have gotten it, it was a bit TO inside.

I'm trying to make my comics more involved into Warcraft, as demonstrated when I put out Power of the Horde.

One last point, the hard part of the comics is not placing the models. It's coming up with a story people would like to read and jokes they would laugh at. Elenai might have come up with those one framers in a few minutes. I'd like to see him try a 30-framer with a plot to it. -.-

 

[Jacek]

FINALLY! I was looking forward to this comic!!

 

[DaedraEater]

FINALLY! I was looking forward to this comic!!

As am I jacek, As am I...

Seems interesting...

 

[Elenai]

The X-mas one did, but if you had shown that to someone that wasn't at the Hive, they wouldn't have gotten it, it was a bit TO inside.

It is at this point that I would like to say something in my defense...

First of all: I made the Christmas comic to be an inside comic.

The rest of them are more outside.

I'm trying to make my comics more involved into Warcraft, as demonstrated when I put out Power of the Horde.

Blood Elves, High Elves, Orcs, Tauren, Draenei, Tuskarr Santa, and ect....Seems Warcraft involved to me...

the hard part of the comics is not placing the models. It's coming up with a story people would like to read and jokes they would laugh at. Elenai might have come up with those one framers in a few minutes.

Do you know exactly how hard it is to HAND DRAW, paint, and create a mood ALL WITH A MOUSE!? Its not cake, and it certainly is much harder than CnP even with one panel.

Try instead of a few minutes...Try about a days worth of drawing the single panel alone! And the plot...It didnt take a few minutes either...It took a while of thinking, processing, considering, cutting out...and tweaking.

And also, Single panels are usually better than THIRTY!!! Thirty is usually too long, and bores the audience. And I try to make my plots simple, fun, easy to get, and something that gives the audience time to react and have a chuckle. You try too hard to be funny.

Your comics were pretty good at first...but then they started to get stale.

It's coming up with a story people would like to read and jokes they would laugh at.

If thats the point of your comics, then I appologize but..YOU FAIL!

I'd like to see him try a 30-framer with a plot to it.

Your Jealous! GET OVER IT! I'd like to see you hand draw a quality comic, that isnt stale, and has a good joke behind it.

Eleani's will get old after a while

Thats when you get the hint to TRY SOMETHING NEW!!!

For a final statement:

You LOSE! GOOD DAY SIR!

-Willy Wonka-

(I appologize if I told you how it is, and it offends you)

 

[donut3.5]

You LOSE! GOOD DAY SIR!

-Willy Wonka-

QFT
Dr00d, if you don't like people flaming you, you either have two options:
Stop posting them, or actually follow their suggestions so they wont flame you.
--donut3.5--

 

[Gilles]

I like the guy on the right. That's about it. They aren't mech enough, not in the least.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

Ok, I'm not going to patronize you more than Kaitech anymore, Dr00d. Especially because of the arrogance you must have to even consider your comics to be of the same caliber of Elenai's.

The last one I put out was over a month ago. o.0

I could see your point if it happened every other week, but in the months I've been hear I've only posted 5 in total (Pyrities Gone Bonkers, Scooby Doo and THW, Power of the Horde, and 2 Volumes of Desert Raiders), some without this little announcement thread. And I'm not sure how long it was between Power of the Horde and the announcement of Desert Raiders, but I know it was a good while.

You're so vain
You probably think this song is about you
You're so vain
I'll bet you think this song is about you
Don't you? Don't you?

And I've said it before, please, if you think the way I do my comics sucks, try it yourself.

And I've said it before as well, I don't have to be a chef to know when food tastes like shit. A piece of shit you worked hard on is still a piece of shit. Come to think of it, I wasn't even criticizing your comics then. I was criticizing comic previews.

Eleani's will get old after a while

As opposed to yours, which has gotten old 5 seconds after you made them.

their one panel

Because clearly, with great examples from xkcd, cyanide and happiness, vgcats, penny arcade, and basically any sentient being capable of making a comic, the length of a comic defines its quality.

and in the case of the one with the bunny, didn't make me laugh.

Yes, they're not hilarious. Funnier than yours? Shitloads.

The X-mas one did, but if you had shown that to someone that wasn't at the Hive, they wouldn't have gotten it, it was a bit TO inside.

BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HE INTENDED. Do you think xkcd can be shown to anybody that's not a nerd that still get the same reaction we do? Or expect some middle aged person to be chuckling as hard as a diehard gamer at some vgcats comic? ELENAI IS KEEPING HIS AUDIENCE IN MIND. And coming from you, who includes hive characters IN his comics, this sounds really fucking ironic.

I'm trying to make my comics more involved into Warcraft, as demonstrated when I put out Power of the Horde.

That'd be a good idea, considering you're using WOW models, but what does this have to do with the price of tomatoes?

One last point, the hard part of the comics is not placing the models. It's coming up with a story people would like to read and jokes they would laugh at.

OBVIOUSLY. You honestly think that I, of all people, do not know that?

Elenai might have come up with those one framers in a few minutes. I'd like to see him try a 30-framer with a plot to it. -.-

For the sake of finding common ground, I'm going to pretend that's true. If it's the 30 frames that's challenging, DO A 1 FRAMER. DID IT EVER OCCUR TO YOU THAT THE BEST COMEDIC WEBCOMIC MAKERS DO A SINGLE STRIP?

 

[Kaitech[SanD]]

Not all of us have artistic talent, you can tell Elenai went through media studies and art classes...

Anyway. Half of the positive feedback is only 'cause he's popular. And no, I ain't jealous about that, what I am jealous about is your saying ours blow when I have not even bothered with art, dunno about Dr00d and I plan on taking Media Studies when I start year 10.

The greatest chefs still try food and get it wrong, but they just look at WHAT is wrong with it and then start over. So, please, stop saying "Oh, Chefs won't make anything shit" cause they probably do, on a daily basis, and as I said, THEY SEE WHAT IS WRONG AND IMPROVE IT. It may be too salty, too sweet, too sour, too spicy, too bland. There is room for improvements in everything, but you can't just walk around saying "Oh yeah, you blow donkeys"

Let people have their hobbies, we let you sit here criticising us, don't we, it seems to be the only talent you have, overlooking people and then wriggling out of crap you can't do.

But yes, as MSBB or someone else said but politer, "Can we have more than one frame as a preview?"

 

[brad.dude03]

Elenai doesn't have any form of training at all, to my knowledge.

Media Studies can't save you now, I take it and I can't draw for shit.

If you're comparing yourself and Dr00d to Chefs, wow... We've given you more than enough for ideas on how to improve your comics (both of you) but you've taken it all and ignored it, and then gotten all offended when we point out that your shit still fails because you didn't listen to any of the suggestions.

And then, when a decent comic-maker finally comes around (in the form of Elenai) you deny his success blaming it on his popularity, rather than talent. If you can't look at one of his comics and notice where his talent stands out, then you can never be an artist.

Hell, I could give you a list of why his comic is (not just better than both of yours comined) but great in general.

The whole point of this rant is, you guys will never improve if you can't listen to what we're telling you. Your work is so bad that it makes many people angry, and the REAL artists don't even bother posting in these threads at all.

Take photography. To be a good photographer, you don't have to be an artist, you don't even need to learn how to draw. All you need to know is how to capture the moment.

With a comic, you're capturing a moment. In one frame you can establish the characters, the setting, the basic story, and make a joke based on all of these details. The more details you add, the more wealth there is for the eye to take in.

You have to make a comic based around a point. One day you come up with an idea: "Oh, it'd be a cool idea if I made a comic about Arthas getting his ass frozen to that Throne of his".

So, you go, establish the setting, you either hand-draw, or by some other means, get a background image of the Frozen Throne itself. You then create a number of characters in the foreground, in this case we'd have Arthas struggling frantically to free himself, and Kel'Thuzad with a kettle of hot water and spatula, frantically attempting to free the remains of the Lich King's buttocks.

Now, the image itself can be funny enough, but the dialogue is where the good "punch" of the humor can be derived. You can have an image that will make people chuckle, but it's the dialogue that will get them to laugh out loud.

Creating a short and witty conversation between Kel'Thuzad and Arthas is the key here, something that is small enough to fit into one speech bubble each, but something that is humorous enough to make the reader laugh.

Dialogue should be relevant to the siutation at hand, referring to background details, the present situation, or, if the comic was designed with this in mind, an inside joke.

This isn't the greatest example, yes, but i'm using it to illustrate a point. You can't create a comic as you go, just on the fly, with very little point or purpose. You come up with a good idea, refine it over time, and then execute it through your comic. That's how you make it successful.

This is the last bit of advice I will ever offer you. You need to listen to comments to learn how to get better, and in your case, you need to drastically rethink your methods in order to succeed.

 

[Dr00d]

The reason I don't hand draw them is because I started these to try and break into MACHINAMA. I got nothing aganist hand drawing, but for what I'm doing and what I'm using, it's not gonna work out for me.

Plus I'm sure you'll all be happy to know I'll be putting out movies soon. -.-

 

[brad.dude03]

You don't need to hand-draw to make good comics. Did you even read my post? Quality of art is inferior to genuis design. You can't have stick people, but you don't need to be Davinci to make a good comic.

 

[donut3.5]

Not all of us have artistic talent, you can tell Elenai went through media studies and art classes...

Anyway. Half of the positive feedback is only 'cause he's popular. And no, I ain't jealous about that, what I am jealous about is your saying ours blow when I have not even bothered with art, dunno about Dr00d and I plan on taking Media Studies when I start year 10.

The greatest chefs still try food and get it wrong, but they just look at WHAT is wrong with it and then start over. So, please, stop saying "Oh, Chefs won't make anything shit" cause they probably do, on a daily basis, and as I said, THEY SEE WHAT IS WRONG AND IMPROVE IT. It may be too salty, too sweet, too sour, too spicy, too bland. There is room for improvements in everything, but you can't just walk around saying "Oh yeah, you blow donkeys"

Let people have their hobbies, we let you sit here criticising us, don't we, it seems to be the only talent you have, overlooking people and then wriggling out of crap you can't do.

But yes, as MSBB or someone else said but politer, "Can we have more than one frame as a preview?"

We have offered two suggestions over and over again:
1.) Hand draw them. If you're too cheap for that,
2.) Make them entertaining for once. They have not been funny since the first one, and that one barely passed. They're stale now.
We criticize you because you ask for criticism, although I see it now, you should really say,
"LOL JUST SAY ITS GOOD AND BOOST OUR EGOS!!!!111"
You don't want criticism, you want mindless praise.
And no, the positive feedback isn't because he's popular.
YOU joined before Elenai, and Dr00d didn't join that much after.
If you think its because you are not well known enough, MAKE YOURSELF KNOWN.
And guess what the best way to do that is?
Well I'm gonna guess it isn't showing previews to CnP'ed comics, which, I'm surprised after all this time, are pure flamebait.
Here's another hint:
The best way to get better at hand drawn art isn't to bitch and whine about how you can't do it unless some magic class teaches you. It's to actually DO IT.
Now, I know you're going to blow this off as mindless flaming, but that's my point.
You don't like flaming, yet you refuse to do what the people are telling you to do in order to not get flamed.
--donut3.5--

 

[DarkDenizen]

The reason I don't hand draw them is because I started these to try and break into MACHINAMA. I got nothing aganist hand drawing, but for what I'm doing and what I'm using, it's not gonna work out for me.

Plus I'm sure you'll all be happy to know I'll be putting out movies soon. -.-

Umm... I would SERIOUSLY suggest making comics that most people enjoy before trying movies.

 

[brad.dude03]

Yeah, a movie takes a greater amount of skill, and if you can't manage to make a single image funny, you're gonna have a hell of a time at 30 images per second.

 

[Dr00d]

When was my last funny one?? Like August??

Besides, movies seem like a better media for what I'm trying to create. -.-

 

[Gilles]

Meh, give movies a shot. People don't seem to like your comics, so move on to something else. Maybe you'll find a hidden talent!

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Which reminds I have to post my first comic soon.

Not that I'm stealing on on Elenai/Drood/Kaitech's ideas, because I've had the idea of starting my own "webcomic" for a LONG time now...

 

[TheDivineBoss]

All comics of Dr00d are weird, to be honest. Soo weirrddd, dude.
Try put more humor in it, people love humor.

 

[Dr00d]

I'll put this last comic out, and see how it goes. It has jokes and action and stuff, so we'll just see how it goes over. If it bombs, it'll be the last one and I'll movie to movies.

 

[Kaitech[SanD]]

So brad... We come to this again...

You assume that we are going to get better at making comics by saying "Fail. 15charlimit"?

Also, can't you see I already TRIED a hand drawn comic and it was worse than the CnP ones...

The ones we TRY to make just don't come out funny to anyone, what do you want us to do? Make a collection of what everyone finds funny and finds stupid? Lets start now.

Point Proven?

 

[brad.dude03]

You had your chance. If your not going to bother reading my posts, then I wont bother trying help you to stop making epic fail.

 

[Elenai]

"Oh, it'd be a cool idea if I made a comic about Arthas getting his ass frozen to that Throne of his".

HAHAHA!!! This my friend is PURE gold! I might use this in an upcoming comic (with your permission of course).

And WILL: Congradulations on breaking ground into the comic genre. I bid you good luck.

And also after reading this thread...I feel loved and flattered actually.

Kaitech: I have had no media studies...or official training...aside from an art teacher, but he never taught me how to draw on the computer.

 

[brad.dude03]

Elenai, if you can make it happen I would love to see my idea put to work

I would also like to see where WILL goes with his, and whether or not it is made of epic fail.

You should feel flattered, you have talent and you put it to good use.

Dr00d, good luck with Volume 3 and I pray that it doesn't suck.

 

[Elenai]

Indeed..If it doesnt suck, then there is a good chance that you will redeem yourself.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

I would also like to see where WILL goes with his, and whether or not it is made of epic fail.

I've done some humour before.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

Not all of us have artistic talent, you can tell Elenai went through media studies and art classes...

I never said you had to. I said your comics are stupid and unentertaining.

Anyway. Half of the positive feedback is only 'cause he's popular. And no, I ain't jealous about that, what I am jealous about is your saying ours blow when I have not even bothered with art, dunno about Dr00d and I plan on taking Media Studies when I start year 10.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE AN ARTIST. Furthermore, it's not because Elenai is popular, it's because Elenai is INTERESTING. Can you show me which comic he did that incorporated cliched pot-smokers?

The greatest chefs still try food and get it wrong, but they just look at WHAT is wrong with it and then start over. So, please, stop saying "Oh, Chefs won't make anything shit" cause they probably do, on a daily basis, and as I said, THEY SEE WHAT IS WRONG AND IMPROVE IT. It may be too salty, too sweet, too sour, too spicy, too bland. There is room for improvements in everything, but you can't just walk around saying "Oh yeah, you blow donkeys"

We HAVE given you constructive criticism. Did you change? When you go back to your first comic, is there a difference? NO. If a chef serves crap the first, second, and third decade they do their stuff, are you going to lose your patience somewhere in there? As long as you're not Siddhartha Gautama, it sounds pretty fucking reasonable to me.

Let people have their hobbies, we let you sit here criticising us, don't we, it seems to be the only talent you have, overlooking people and then wriggling out of crap you can't do.

No, the crap YOU can't do.

 

[Kaitech[SanD]]

I never said you had to. I said your comics are stupid and unentertaining.

Alright! The first bit of useful crit from MSBB!

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE AN ARTIST. Furthermore, it's not because Elenai is popular, it's because Elenai is INTERESTING. Can you show me which comic he did that incorporated cliched pot-smokers?

*Whistles innocently*

We HAVE given you constructive criticism. Did you change? When you go back to your first comic, is there a difference? NO. If a chef serves crap the first, second, and third decade they do their stuff, are you going to lose your patience somewhere in there? As long as you're not Siddhartha Gautama, it sounds pretty fucking reasonable to me.

Meh, I see...

No, the crap YOU can't do.

 

[brad.dude03]

What do you think we've been telling you ALL ALONG? It's not our fault you suddenly decide to listen for a change.

I told you from the start that you don't need to be a fucking artist, I gave you an elaborate example of EXACTLY what you needed to do to stop failing so epicly, but you ignored it entirely.

Looks like you finally got a wake up call as at least ONE of us seems to have got through to you.

 

[Elenai]

*Whistles innocently*

Out of curiosity...why are you whistling?

 

[Kaitech[SanD]]

I made a cliched pot-smoker comic...