Clutch Defender v1.1

[Moderator]

Orcnet

00:43, 17th Aug 2013

Comment

Review

Map Approved

Clutch Defender (Version 1.0) Rate Score Percent Letter 5/5 91-100 A Rate Score Percent Letter 4/5 81-90% B Rate Score Percent Letter 3/5 75-80% C Rate Score Percent Letter 2/5 70-74% D Rate Score Percent Letter 1/5 50-69% F Overview: Gameplay "The game idea is cool and very well paced out, although it would be nice if you can do a game board where it counts the total creeps that needs to be killed like XX/XX and so fort." Terrain "Terrain is small yet very decorative, still I find this fair and short since that's how the gameplay did as well." Management "My testings so far, map can be useful." Total Score: Rate Score Percent Letter 9/15 80% C

 

[Kino]

1) description needs to be improved

It says everything you need to know.

2) the game play should be explained more, fore example if you press bad a botton you will destroy your own nest

Ive added that to the level 1 tip.

3) i give like 10 test and the level 3 is imposible to pass, it destroy all nest in 1 sec.

Its now been fixed.

4) The spawn units is always the same, not random, you can memorice the spawn
in level 1:
2 units spawns in D
and then 1 in E
random will be more interesting.

It is random. Its only the same because you were playing via editor and had fixed random seed turned on.

 

[Radicool]

Cool Mini game. Simple, short but fun and well polished.

I suppose you could add a leaderboard displaying how many nests are remaining, or how many rounds remaining or how many seconds until the day ends. Some sort of information to look at. And you could add a preview image.

 

[Orcnet]

Your map is good whatsoever and judging through gameplay and statistics, I approved but you forgot the most important thing on a map, rules or should I say how to play.

Not all of us would understand what is the bad and what is the good, you somehow left players for dead and force them to rely on what to kill and what to do, so I end up killing everything on the map and could understand what is the 'nest'? much to my realization, the 'frogs' are the nest.

I suggest you make out messages explaining what to protect and who to kill, at first I thought both frogs and spiders are the enemies and the whole land is the nest and should not be overrun, and that's the problem so make up a couple of rules before players would really understand what's going on.

Another is that if messages fail and players didn't do a damn about it, make it up on a quest menu, that way they read every vital information on this mini-game. Not to mention what are the coordinates of each QWEASFZXC stands for.

For now need's fix, please make up those revisions I've said, and lastly make at least a decent map description its lacking a row for screen shots, how to play, and any else would suffice.

 

[Kino]

The deed has been done.

 

[Orcnet]

Still no quest menu and how to play stuff.

 

[Kino]

Still no quest menu and how to play stuff.

Its right there in the map.
Press your Quest Dialog key/open it manually

How to play is in the quest menu and also on the load screen.

 

[Twilight]

Comment

Played it, and it seems fun, but I agree what abgm said, the description needs work.
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Rating:
3/5

Terrain

Terrain is good.
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Rating:
3/5

Gameplay

A bit hard on level 3, but still fun.
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Rating:
3/5

Final Rating:

Terrain:3/5
Gameplay:3/5
Comment:3/5

FINAL RATING:
3/5

Suggestions
-Use random point triggers.

Don't Know how:

-First create a variable set it to region, check array, and set it to the number of regions then set the variables [trigger=Random Points]
Events
Map initialization
Conditions
Actions
Set Variable[from 0 to any number]=Select region[/trigger]

then do this trigger

[trigger=Random Points]
Events
Time - Every 5 seconds of game time
Conditions
Actions
Unit - Create 1 (Unit) at Centar of (Random number beatwine X and X)[/trigger]

 

[Kino]

Comment

Played it, and it seems fun, but I agree what abgm said, the description needs work.
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Rating:
3/5

Why on earth would you rate a map based on how its selling speech was written? Are you serious?

Suggestions
-Use random point triggers.

Don't Know how:

-First create a variable set it to region, check array, and set it to the number of regions then set the variables

The point of which is?

No offense, but you give 0 reasons for your rating. As a result its very hard to take you seriously.

 

[Twilight]

Description is very important, and for the triggers, It will be kinda like this

[trigger=Set Variables]
Events
Map initialization
Condition
Action
Set (Variable)[0]=Q region
Set (Variable)[1]=W region
Set (Variable)[2]=E region
Set (Variable)[3]=A region
Set (Variable)[4]=S region
Set (Variable)[5]=D region
Set (Variable)[6]=Z region
Set (Variable)[7]=X region
Set (Variable)[8]=C region[/trigger]

Then the spawn action will look like this

[trigger=Spawn]
Event
Time - Every 5 seconds of game time
Condition
Action
Unit - Create 1 (Unit) at Centar of (Varible)[Math - random number beatwine 0 and 8)[/trigger]

 

[Kino]

Youre not answering my question at all.
Im asking you, why on earth would you want to do that?

Description is very important

Still, its not part of the map.
Rating a map based on its description is stupid.

 

[Twilight]

Well if you want your Map to sound good and have more downloads, and please do these triggers it could be better

 

[Kino]

Well if you want your Map to sound good and have more downloads, and please do these triggers it could be better

Your still missing the point.
How is this better than whats already in place?

 

[Kino]

Twilight and all users are free to rate a map, how to rate it is up to every one, and some users count the description or map info to rate

You are missing the point. Im asking him how his trigger is better than whats already in place.

Maps must have adequate spelling and grammar. Maps must contain a valid author and map name. Maps must contain a proper description of what the map is about.

It is adequete. This is a game with 9 buttons total and very straight forward mechanics. The thee lines in the load screen is more than enough to teach you everything you need to know about this map.

 

[Orcnet]

That is one of the most laziest/unnatural tooltip to bare on such a small scale of a mini-game.

Can't you be more logical? If I were a normal person playing this what would those button will ever do? so add an information for 3 types: 1st that info you did, 2nd how to play and 3rd changelog. it would be better if you say it like this in the how to play part:

Press button upon map coordinates such as:

Q - left top
W - middle top
E - right top
A - left middle etc.

And also show an information about the changelog in-game. What do you think people will just play this once like version 1 only?

 

[Kino]

That is one of the most laziest/unnatural tooltip to bare on such a small scale of a mini-game.

Can't you be more logical? If I were a normal person playing this what would those button will ever do? so add an information for 3 types: 1st that info you did, 2nd how to play and 3rd changelog. it would be better if you say it like this in the how to play part:

Very well then.

And also show an information about the changelog in-game. What do you think people will just play this once like version 1 only?

Probably.

and about Twilight, this is an open forum he is free to state that tiggers can be better, and also he took the time to put decent info, also he can make a mistake, we are all here to learn
(i am not triggerer, is chinese to me, as far i can see Twilight triggers are diferent from yours,and that is interesting, i cant say what is better)
Today 11:04 AM

Except that his triggers are worse and don't do anything different than the current system except create an extra leak every second or so.

 

[Theoden of KoMe]

dude no offence but we are here to advise you on how to make your map better and attractive.If you dont take advises and act inapropiate to other users then just wait until rejection or approvement

 

[Kino]

dude no offence but we are here to advise you on how to make your map better and attractive.If you dont take advises and act inapropiate to other users then just wait until rejection or approvement

You cant give advice without explaining. By saying your description sucks doesn't mean anything if you don't explain how it sucks.

I do take advice, Im merely asking commenters to explain their points so I at least understand them.

 

[Theoden of KoMe]

you are just selfish.orc abgm and twilight asked for a better descreption and your answsr was ‘it sais all you neex to know‘ .Is this a surprise cake or a downloadable map?When you go buy a new pair of shoes or a pc or whatever dont you want to know all about it before you buy it?h
Now you come and deny this right to the users.My opinion is that yku read the rules again and when you grow up and understand them then upload your maps

 

[Kino]

you are just selfish.orc abgm and twilight asked for a better descreption and your answsr was ‘it sais all you neex to know‘ .

You realise this is 40ish kb map with 9 control buttons total. How much of a description can you possibly have without adding tons of useless details.
I am not being selfish, I merely saying that a simple map needs a simple description. If you had seen the links provided yopu would know those templates are far too complex for a map of this scale.

Is this a surprise cake or a downloadable map?When you go buy a new pair of shoes or a pc or whatever dont you want to know all about it before you buy it?h

Except the description does say what the map is about. It may not be colourful or wordy, but it does infact say everything you need to know before you play.

Now you come and deny this right to the users.My opinion is that yku read the rules again and when you grow up and understand them then upload your maps

I havce read the rules, thank you. Its just in the past people actually understood that complex descriptions are uneccesary for a map of this size hence I have a problem.

 

[UndeadImmortal]

Cut it, his description is fine and is acceptable.

For the map, the day timer is too unrealistic, the timer above doesn't even move.
The nests aren't regenerating full hp when the day ends.
There are no victory conditions currently, I presume you messed up the Round Init trigger, you placed Turn On instead of Run Trig?
Maybe add a floating text telling how much hit points the nests have left?
You could also list the mobs statistics at the Quest Info (F9).

 

[Twilight]

Now description is very nice, good work +rep

 

[Kino]

For the map, the day timer is too unrealistic, the timer above doesn't even move.

The rounds are measured by kill count, I could do it such that each kill moves the clock forward a little but it could end up looking very unnatural. Ill give it a go and see.

The nests aren't regenerating full hp when the day ends.
There are no victory conditions currently, I presume you messed up the Round Init trigger, you placed Turn On instead of Run Trig?

Noted.

Maybe add a floating text telling how much hit points the nests have left?

You could also list the mobs statistics at the Quest Info (F9).

I actually decided not to do this for 1 major reason. Its competes for space with the QWEASDZXC tags and as well as makes the nest and monsters much harder to see.

I could measure the whole health/stats thing in number of hits. That would probably be alot cleaner.

1) with credits, thats mean you and a contact stuff (important for bug detection)
2) with the change log as Orcnet recommended
3) maybe some stuff separate, to no put all in one charter
like
4) game play
5) Creeps explanations / hints, the stuff of de description in the f9

Very uneccessary save for the creep stats.

Now description is very nice, good work +rep

I died a little when you said this is better. Its confusing and completely misinformative. Did you even read what it said?

 

[Kino]

No, save load in general is very buggy when used in custom games.
Also, this is a map that you can finish in 5 minutes. I dont see a need to have a save load function.

 

[Orcnet]

Map approved, see moderator comment on top.

 

[The_New_Divide]

Good Mapidea.

But you should use for the Hotkey C a difference Spell then canalize(or whatever you use),
becouz not in every wc3-version c is standarthotkey for this spell. Use a other spell, which hotkey is not c and modified it.

For now, i must click every time on K, when C needed



Also maybe a trigered system for change hotkeys were be cool.

For example to make the hotkey "Z" to a "Y" will be exelent, becouz i have y under A, not Z.


Offtopic: Who know, which version i have(And dont look in my profile)? xD

 

[deepstrasz]

Which should brake first, the keyboard or the mouse?

 

[Kino]

Which should brake first, the keyboard or the mouse?

what?