AvP Extinction 2 v 1.72b

[Moderator]

19:34, 3rd Aug 2010
ap0calypse: Approved

 

[BlackKnightTGS]

Well...Green Boxes appear once you pause, sometimes when I build/train/summon a unit/structure, they are knockbacked...like, I created a CommTech and he knockbacked a Synthetic. Also fix the descriptions of units (like the Chestbuster's). 3/5.

 

[Cheat sloth]

So you finaly put this on the hive... thats good... you did a nice job whit the decription...
AND THE TRAILER WAS ASWOME!!!!

 

[Bratcipheo]

That knockback bug you're talking about, is a very rare bug, only happens in single player if i remember correctly, but ill get it someday, that bug.

I dont understand the green boxes thing.

Glad you liked it cheatsloth^^

 

[-Kobas-]

And then people say that I am bothering with map description!
Please check BB code and find out how to attach YOUTUBE video to your map description!

 

[BlackKnightTGS]

I dont understand the green boxes thing.

You mean you don't know how to make them be non-green boxes or you didn't understand what I said?

 

[Bratcipheo]

I don't know what you're talking about,thats right.Green boxes...hmm..nope, dont know what you mean.What you're pausing you say?What do these boxes do?

 

[BlackKnightTGS]

You pause, and instead of the custom icon, you see a green box. That's what I'm talking about

 

[-Kobas-]

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Ah always to lazy grrrrrrrr!
Here copy code within jass tag to your map description! Video above is example (you will see it in your map description in that way)

 

[Bratcipheo]

ah thanks, thats a nice feature.

 

[Kl3sk]

ah thanks, thats a nice feature.

Brat boy, you've just earned yourself your first Rep!
I'm giving it away so easily because I've played a similar version of a AvP man a long time ago and the only word that can describe the feeling of playing it was "orgasm"... Now excuse me while I play this baby!

*Expect a review*

Edit : Since there are too many bugs, glitches and so on, I cannot fully review this map, but I can name the problems the map is currently facing :

- Aliens : If the Queen attacks anything before laying eggs, any of the spawned units (Facehuggers and so on) will be pushed to the side, much like the ability to knock-back units (Queen) ... has a pretty large AoE and happened frequently.

- Predators : when self-upgrade as predator, you practically lose your gold or "pride points" (whatever they are) because by clicking on these upgrades, the icon disappears and no visible change occurs. Predator that has the ability to ignite units (flame thrower) can't damage buildings and so forth.

- Marines... just seem like Alien food. No comment.

Edit #2 : Every time you collect a skull with a predator, A PURGE SPELL ICON appears in one of the empty slots...what is this ?

 

[nichawkins]

looks epic ill try it

EDIT
After i get teh Real game xD

 

[Sharingan]

Game looks really good. However it still requires fixes. I hope you will release new version soon.
And these green/purple boxes are just fails. If you imported model wrong etc.

 

[Bratcipheo]

Game looks really good. However it still requires fixes. I hope you will release new version soon.
And these green/purple boxes are just fails. If you imported model wrong etc.

To tell the truth, i still don't know what you mean about these green boxes, i haven't experienced any troubles with models, at all.If you would care do show a screenshot?Im updating the game all the time, so ill look into problems like these asap.

 

[Bratcipheo]

Aaah, well that i cant change, since that icon actually isnt an icon, but skin for the eggsack.I just havent found any icon outthere fitting the queens eggsack yet, sadly.;(

 

[BlackKnightTGS]

Well...why don't you re-import the eggsack's texture, but as an icon?

 

[Taldwin]

Nice terrain

 

[Roy1589]

I don't know if its relivant anymore. But just about a week ago I played this map with two others (clan ARK if it rings a bell). We had a recurring issue where when we started the game either there would be more than 1 of the same race or someone would get stuck with nothing (except for that 1 pod structure... forget the name). Little details with the "nothing". The player who would get the "no units" would have the night elf hud. (considering that for predator you have orc, alien is undead, and marines are human).

 

[Dragonheat]

Things that should be overlooked:

Here are a few things I found:

-If say... 5 Ravagers jump on a Atmo, it dies before changing factions.

-Blaziers/Blazers w/e they're called, should be able to damage buildings with their flames..

I also think that you should make the creeps spawn faster, and the hostile human/predator encampments to respawn too, if they don't already.

A capacity for the Queen should also be made because it's annoying if one dies the person can just keep making another Queen after the other dies and prolongue an already lost game. you should add a command for Carriers like, -carry on/off. And that Drones/Runners should'nt just take the eggs randomly and place them around unless you order them to.

EDIT:

Humans are WEAK and I mean weak in the beggining, any Predator/Alien player can rush them and they die easily. You should make the Gunship have an auto-attack versus enemy units, and make the humans more maneuverable in the early phase of the game. I played against my friend and he had 12 Hunters before I had 5 Infantry units and two Atmos.

 

[Zorrot]

Sounds like good..............but only one look

 

[Rodny]

Dragonheat... that means you suck -.- . By the time my friends where making their first units i had already taken over nearly the entire map and wasn't letting them get out of their start positions....

 

[Dragonheat]

Really? I only play good as Aliens, but I found humans fairly weak in -my- opinion.

EDIT:

Oh, and maybe you played agresively. I played defense the game I lost against predators, I tried to built up units to still have a good military force in any battle. Remember that not everyone plays like you and he/she won't make the same gameplay as you do with humans.

 

[Bratcipheo]

Little details with the "nothing". The player who would get the "no units" would have the night elf hud. (considering that for predator you have orc, alien is undead, and marines are human).

Yes, thats why you choose the race before the game starts, while you still are in the "lobby".

If say... 5 Ravagers jump on a Atmo, it dies before changing factions.

Really?You managed to kill one?That would indeed be a problem.

-Blaziers/Blazers w/e they're called, should be able to damage buildings with their flames..

If thought about, its a bug, but im not sure if i should change it, since they're so strong against light armoured groups of units.

A capacity for the Queen should also be made because it's annoying if one dies the person can just keep making another Queen after the other dies and prolongue an already lost game. you should add a command for Carriers like, -carry on/off. And that Drones/Runners should'nt just take the eggs randomly and place them around unless you order them to.

You have to remember that you only can do that if you have Praetorians, which means you need to spent points for the upgrade, for praetorian itself, and the now 3-400 points to get a queen.So its not an easy thing to get.
Shrines cost 1000 points to revive for predators, while its a bit cheaper for aliens.This is because the killing player gets 750 points for killing a queen, therefore feeding the killer in the long run.

Humans are WEAK and I mean weak in the beggining, any Predator/Alien player can rush them and they die easily. You should make the Gunship have an auto-attack versus enemy units, and make the humans more maneuverable in the early phase of the game. I played against my friend and he had 12 Hunters before I had 5 Infantry units and two Atmos.

I know som players that could fight 1v3 with humans and win with ease.
When i said you play marines defensive, i meant their fighting style.When against close ranged units as aliens, you want to get all the atmos(atmo control is the key to winning the game) and protect the atmos, you want to fight at the atmos.you want to stand still, behind barricades while the enemy is coming.CommTechs can teleport the whole army to an atmo if they want, use this for moveability.
Against predators, play aggressively and get some Synthetics, they can see cloaked units.If they mass spearmasters, do the baricade thing, else just control atmos, and tech up and kill.(Blazers own infantry, be careful with that.)
And also, the upgraded selfdestruct from hunters, tend to own marine armies when massed immensely, thats where you really wanna get SADAR as humans, as they knockback them constantly, they wont even get close.

Give me a pm or something if you want some fun matches, as showing you their potential should be more convincing i guess^^

 

[Bratcipheo]

Edit : Since there are too many bugs, glitches and so on, I cannot fully review this map, but I can name the problems the map is currently facing :

- Aliens : If the Queen attacks anything before laying eggs, any of the spawned units (Facehuggers and so on) will be pushed to the side, much like the ability to knock-back units (Queen) ... has a pretty large AoE and happened frequently.

- Predators : when self-upgrade as predator, you practically lose your gold or "pride points" (whatever they are) because by clicking on these upgrades, the icon disappears and no visible change occurs. Predator that has the ability to ignite units (flame thrower) can't damage buildings and so forth.

- Marines... just seem like Alien food. No comment.

Attacking anything with the queen beforehand, does not trigger the pushback bug.It can also happen as marine or predator.And i've only gotten this bug on single player, can you confirm this?Its the bug i've had much problems with, it could be solved with the new version, but im not betting to much on it.

Im a little confused about the self-upgrade as predators, since...all nearly all units have this feature.Marines do, even aliens have it too.When you click it, it costs points and it is upgraded; with effect.What upgrade had no effect?Brawlers do critical on upgrade + movementspeed.Hunters selfdetruct on death, spearmasters damage return and block, discmasters faster attackspeed etc.
I know the bug with the blazer, i might not change it, since it seems beneficial for balancing its overpoweredness.

"and so forth"

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It seems some of you have problems with marines, i was actually concerned that they were overpowered.
When playing against aliens, its absolute crucial you do not use "move" but "attack-move" they will then auto attack anything in their path (facehuggers).
Minigunners are also the unit of choice, as it does auto target(triggered) and kill facehuggers with its fast attackspeed.
When dealing with nests or larger enemy groups, get some flamethrowers at the front, they wear masks, making them unable to get facehugged, while they deal aoe dmg which burns all the small facehuggers.
Those are the tips i have against alien.

Again, i invite anyone on a game to demonstrate^^.

Read my map development thread for such additional info.

EDIT:
The purge ability you mentioned is the ability the skull taking is based on, and triggered by.The "ripping" itself.

 

[Kl3sk]

Attacking anything with the queen beforehand, does not trigger the pushback bug.It can also happen as marine or predator.And i've only gotten this bug on single player, can you confirm this?Its the bug i've had much problems with, it could be solved with the new version, but im not betting to much on it.

Im a little confused about the self-upgrade as predators, since...all nearly all units have this feature.Marines do, even aliens have it too.When you click it, it costs points and it is upgraded; with effect.What upgrade had no effect?Brawlers do critical on upgrade + movementspeed.Hunters selfdetruct on death, spearmasters damage return and block, discmasters faster attackspeed etc.
I know the bug with the blazer, i might not change it, since it seems beneficial for balancing its overpoweredness.

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It seems some of you have problems with marines, i was actually concerned that they were overpowered.
When playing against aliens, its absolute crucial you do not use "move" but "attack-move" they will then auto attack anything in their path (facehuggers).
Minigunners are also the unit of choice, as it does auto target(triggered) and kill facehuggers with its fast attackspeed.
When dealing with nests or larger enemy groups, get some flamethrowers at the front, they wear masks, making them unable to get facehugged, while they deal aoe dmg which burns all the small facehuggers.
Those are the tips i have against alien.

Again, i invite anyone on a game to demonstrate^^.

Read my map development thread for such additional info.

EDIT:
The purge ability you mentioned is the ability the skull taking is based on, and triggered by.The "ripping" itself.

As I have no time to post the "full story" behind my comments, I'll just post this comment for later editing (tomorrow). Stay tuned.

~ Got delayed ~

2nd Edit : Can't find one or more persons to test the map with and when I do, they play for 5-10 minutes then give up (people aren't that bright)... probably going to wait for the new version, but I CAN confirm the knock-back bug. It happens very often and tends to be annoying. Also : I'm pretty sure the "purge" ability that triggers the Predator's "collect skull" skill is not supposed to show as a 3rd party icon... it should just never be there, PERIOD! Try to fix this. And when I said upgrades "don't work" I meant that by clicking the icon, I should have some form of certainty as to what my character / unit does, and how can I do so if the icon ability for what I'm upgrading it for, disappears ?... Suggestion : Place any and all potential upgrades into one unit / building (such as Queen : you click one icon and a hole menu of upgrades opens)
~ When upgraded, the unit or unit groups that benefit from the upgrade should have a "passive" or "active" icon in its "repertory". Ex : I upgrade -Self-Destruct- when my Hunter dies, passive icon appears telling me "When this unit dies, it will deal -X- damage in a *insert number here* AoE" ...and so forth. This is all I can say for now. Please consider these lines.

 

[Kunfury]

good map

 

[Vendetta282]

Great map, me and my friend played it over and over again. 4/5

 

[Bratcipheo]

~ When upgraded, the unit or unit groups that benefit from the upgrade should have a "passive" or "active" icon in its "repertory". Ex : I upgrade -Self-Destruct- when my Hunter dies, passive icon appears telling me "When this unit dies, it will deal -X- damage in a *insert number here* AoE" ...and so forth. This is all I can say for now. Please consider these lines.

you are right, i will add this to them.Some units have, but im afraid not all.



Ill try to fix the knockback bug.

 

[LostSoul]

Hmm

Love this map, it's completely awesome. Tho i found something a bit Overpowered with marines. If you play them right as we do, you get the big tanks after like 8-10 minutes and not just one of em, tons of em, instant win. all you have to do is build lots of these golden boxes which provides "points" and also play really aggressive, not defensive as the tooltip says I and some of my friends have built up many strategies to try to beat this one. but it's plain impossible. And also the predators are way to expensive, you can nuke em down in the beginning, even as alien. Aliens can get lots of mobs, but the weakness there is they die too easy. really, Marines is just plainly Overpowered if you know how to play them, predator is also a big weakness to all of the teams because of the amount of points needed to even get a few predators. easy kill Well, what im trying to say.. The map is not as balanced as it can be if you play marines as you're "supposed" to

 

[Bratcipheo]

@LostSoul

I know its not balanced, balancing it just gets keeping harder.
The worst part is that, peoplewith different skills are testing it, so i can't change balances based on their experience alone, i gotta test it myself.
I therefore would very much like you to try this strategy on me, with me trying the different races.Do you have a ggc account?Give me a pm when you can play some games.

 

[Zoppojr.]

I really like this map but i think you have to nerf the income of marines by one of these ways:
1. reduce their atmo income massively so they rely on building power generators and guarding them.(maybe improve generator money for this a bit or make them cheaper)
2.take out the power generators what would make them more aggresive in playstyle
3.reduce power gen income by 200+ 150 per atmo and decrease atmo income a bit that wouldn't change playstyle much but makes their money gain not that extreme.
forgot this one: 4. buff other races income but i think this could lead into a fairly fast game play what would be bad for this alrdy pretty quick game in my opinion

at the moment marines can gain far to much money by playing aggressive/base rushing in 1on1
maybe also because they can speed spam units at start lol (550 gold = 3 marines = far to much vs predators if your army is split off your shrine and aliens can't gain mass facehuggers that fast)

It's also annoying that only the marines got scouts (mobile invisble detectors)
the predators got only the predgun which is far to immobile to take over this role and the aliens got only buildings to detect invisible units.
noticed that while playing vs a marine which just spammed snipers with windwalk to kill my blazers -.-
I think you should grant every army a T2 unit with detect ability
For predators maybe the spear master and later the ancient and for aliens maybe the runner or warrior and the preatorian or carrier

 

[Bratcipheo]

Thank you for the feedback,

i've changed quite abit in the balance now, but i didnt want to change it to much at once, but rather do some weak changes that works towards a goal, instead of going back and forthward all the time.

 

[Kl3sk]

Thank you for the feedback,

i've changed quite abit in the balance now, but i didnt want to change it to much at once, but rather do some weak changes that works towards a goal, instead of going back and forthward all the time.

Maybe that would be true, but how about adding some "eye-candy" in the next update ?

- Predators' projectile animation (and I'm not being specific, but they're all an eye-sore) could be changed, per instance. An example : "Blazzer" attack animation : Does he really need the -finger of death- animation?
Why not a simple, aesthetic stream of flames ?... and the Hunter shoots -Frost Novas- , what's up with that ? (I don't see why the models have those awesome "snipe-lazors" if their attack animations have nothing to do with it. Maybe actually make the Hunter fire rocket-type projectiles, to stick to the movie concept of the Predator itself ?)
Also : I feel like the self-destruct ability should be triggered at will too , with a 3 second delay, for example (while still keeping the "blow up after death" passive)

- Aliens : would just rule if they could cannibalise each other or eat another (dead) unit. This ability would destroy the corpse gradually and regenerate the alien's hp , mana, or both. This could also be useful when removing unwanted corpses so nearby "facehuggers" won't automatically jump on the nearest target. (something I personally found annoying when trying to get Pred-aliens, because my facehuggers had a nag for ridding the mamoths on the way...) ; Then , of course, if aliens are such "night lovers" , you could customize the night-elf ability to go into a stealth mode when not moving at night, with a fade-in, fade-out effect / delay. (This would be well complemented by a "pounce" ability that would brake stealth and attack the nearest enemy in a radius, but you be the judge)

In addition, a "Head-bite" or Tail-strike ability would be welcomed as well!
Suggestions : Head-bite - When an enemy is at "X" hp (I'd say 100) health-points or lower, the target is instantly killed and the alien regenerates "X" health points (I'd say 25 or so). This can be an active skill or auto / passive one, depending on user prefferance.
Tail-Strike (passive) : The alien has a "X" % chance to penetrate / strike the target with its tail and ( here, you can go wild) do extra bonus damage / stun the opponent for "X" seconds / damage and slow attack speed / etc.

* The only problem with these two spells / abilities mentioned above is that you'd have to create some realistic attack-animations to fit them, unlike the "Cannibalise" one (basic "consume" ability that Ghouls have, if I'm not mistaken)

* Oh, while I'm ranting : visuals keep the game appealing and all, but I'd appreciate it if you could actually import some alien sounds to make the game more atmospheric. (I don't think you need examples as to what I mean. You know, basic alien sounds, when they're either hit, injured, dying, those kind of things. And don't freak out about the over-all file-size of the map, they'll barely be noticeable. You might also like to add specific taunts to the other races as well)

- Humans : Gotta "<3" those Firebats xD. Not to say this would be cheating, but S][C's marines have the "Stim-pack" ability ; if you know where I'm going with this, there's no need for me to go on right here, heh...
Also : Could it be possible to create a device, either an upgrade or a destructable unit / structure that can sense aliens' and predators' movements in the fog of war from a set distance ? (as seen in the movie, blinking white dots that change frequency the closer the target gets. The "beacon" effect is what I'm interested in)
* This would add a feeling of adrenaline to the human side and make the game more dynamic.

... I've just realised my post is catching epic-proportions and I don't want to sound overly-enthusiastic about a potentially great map with enough room for improvemnt, so...I'll just stop here.

~ If you feel my post didn't bring any good suggestions on actually improving the game-play, tell me, but I personally believe all the things stated above would increase the experience of an AvP map (especially yours). Don't forget, if you'd accept any of my ideas, it's up to you to chose how it would eventually turn out and what units would benefit most from them. Good luck!

 

[Bratcipheo]

I've just realised my post is catching epic-proportions and I don't want to sound overly-enthusiastic about a potentially great map with enough room for improvemnt, so...I'll just stop here.

You're right, i guess ill start my epic scaled answer here then.^^

Predators' projectile animation (and I'm not being specific, but they're all an eye-sore) ....and the Hunter shoots -Frost Novas- , what's up with that ? (I don't see why the models have those awesome "snipe-lazors" if their attack animations have nothing to do with it. Maybe actually make the Hunter fire rocket-type projectiles, to stick to the movie concept of the Predator itself ?)

i've got major problems with that aswell, i've actually changed it back and forth several times in the past before i accepted the current.
I don't believe that anything is better in warcraft itself, i might need to download a spell animation.Or do a shot with an imported explosion.
rocket-type projectiles?Im sure it was more towards plasma, which i tried to make with ice typed spells.

Blazzer" attack animation : Does he really need the -finger of death- animation?
Why not a simple, aesthetic stream of flames ?...

Well, if you watch a youtube video of ps2 AvP Extinction, you'll notice that the Blazer shoots a laser that sets everything on fire.He doesn't actually shoot fire, its a laser.I thought about making it another colour when upgraded...like blue..

I feel like the self-destruct ability should be triggered at will too , with a 3 second delay, for example (while still keeping the "blow up after death" passive)

I'd then walk into a passive group of marines and let them selfdestruct.The difference is that, before the player got warned that somewhere on the map he is attacked, and when checking he sees that hes killing hunters and can react.With it being triggered he just know his army has died, its to overpowered.

Aliens : would just rule if they could cannibalise each other or eat another (dead) unit. This ability would destroy the corpse gradually and regenerate the alien's hp , mana, or both. This could also be useful when removing unwanted corpses so nearby "facehuggers" won't automatically jump on the nearest target

A great idea at first, but i realise that it would destroy the way aliens function, i want to make hiveweb as important for the aliens as i can, which is also hard enough.If they regenerate in another way aswell...no, it woudlnt fit so well.

Then , of course, if aliens are such "night lovers" , you could customize the night-elf ability to go into a stealth mode when not moving at night, with a fade-in, fade-out effect / delay. (This would be well complemented by a "pounce" ability that would brake stealth and attack the nearest enemy in a radius, but you be the judge)

It's a good idea.But every unit?Im afraid it would be to overpowered.Hmm, i guess when its night and they ALSO are standing on hiveweb, it would be fine.
Ill try to see if i can trigger that.

n addition, a "Head-bite" or Tail-strike ability would be welcomed as well!
Suggestions : Head-bite - When an enemy is at "X" hp (I'd say 100) health-points or lower, the target is instantly killed and the alien regenerates "X" health points (I'd say 25 or so). This can be an active skill or auto / passive one, depending on user prefferance.
Tail-Strike (passive) : The alien has a "X" % chance to penetrate / strike the target with its tail and ( here, you can go wild) do extra bonus damage / stun the opponent for "X" seconds / damage and slow attack speed / etc.

The problem with these abilities is, they just sound nice, while in real life, they are just more damage.Maybe with a bit extra animation, but else, its nothing new.
But....with that said, i'd like headbite, extra damage when attacking from behind.
Yeah, that would be nice, but which unit?It's always hard to figure out.Maybe drone, runners, praetorians and predaliens.
Warriors have aoe and do also inflicht aoe acid damage when they die, would'nt fit.
Also, it sounds a bit like hero abilities, and im considering to add heroes at some point, but only if it ever should feel balanced, since balancing with heroes also is so much harder.

Also : Could it be possible to create a device, either an upgrade or a destructable unit / structure that can sense aliens' and predators' movements in the fog of war from a set distance ? (as seen in the movie, blinking white dots that change frequency the closer the target gets. The "beacon" effect is what I'm interested in)
* This would add a feeling of adrenaline to the human side and make the game more dynamic.

Hmm yeah, the original game actually had that.Predators had something similar with heat detection and units that got attacked by some aliens had spores along with them for a while, showing where the were...i might add this.

Oh, while I'm ranting : visuals keep the game appealing and all, but I'd appreciate it if you could actually import some alien sounds to make the game more atmospheric. (I don't think you need examples as to what I mean. You know, basic alien sounds, when they're either hit, injured, dying, those kind of things. And don't freak out about the over-all file-size of the map, they'll barely be noticeable. You might also like to add specific taunts to the other races as well)

try version 1.52-1.59 on epicwar, these versions actually had exactly what you want.
But the big problem with those type of files were, that it was global.Always.You cant change it and make it local, i looked through forums for long.
Also sometimes in some versions, they kept on to stop working sometimes.
Right now, i have only 3 sounds, which a global.Rebirth of a new queen, building a hivetunnel and when selfdestruct activates.But the rest of sounds, i just couldnt let them be global, it was hardcore annoying, everyone appreciated them gone.

 

[Kl3sk]

Oh boy, you've got some things mixed-up :

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rocket-type projectiles?Im sure it was more towards plasma, which i tried to make with ice typed spells.

- First off, I said "rocket-type" projectiles, because such attack animations exist (default ones, but you could use imported ones) and a "plasma" attack, though more realistic and true to the series, are harder to emulate. And if you know the actual definition of "plasma", it has nothing to do with ice and that's why , in my opinion, it just doesn't fit the predator.

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Well, if you watch a youtube video of ps2 AvP Extinction, you'll notice that the Blazer shoots a laser that sets everything on fire.He doesn't actually shoot fire, its a laser.I thought about making it another colour when upgraded...like blue..

- Again : You misunderstood - I'm not saying the Predator doesn't use lazors to ignite its targets, I was specifically against the "finger of death" animation which looks plain silly... also I've noticed it doesn't fit the real damage done to enemies as well (you probably noticed that too)

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I'd then walk into a passive group of marines and let them selfdestruct.The difference is that, before the player got warned that somewhere on the map he is attacked, and when checking he sees that hes killing hunters and can react.With it being triggered he just know his army has died, its to overpowered.

- It's either a language barrier, or I'm a bit slow tonight, since I don't really understand the quote above. Eventually explain it to me a little clearer via a P.M. , would you? Thanks.

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A great idea at first, but i realise that it would destroy the way aliens function, i want to make hiveweb as important for the aliens as i can, which is also hard enough.If they regenerate in another way aswell...no, it woudlnt fit so well.

- Why do you always miss the big picture ?! T_T - I'm not an ability junky, but I like the practicality of choosing if I want my facehuggers to become ordinary drones, pred-aliens, etc. - Without this, out of a whole control of facehuggers, I'd probably be left with 4, maybe 5 to morph in soldiers or anything else, just by walking through a creep-filled field. But yeah, maybe this isn't necessary.

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It's a good idea.But every unit?Im afraid it would be to overpowered.Hmm, i guess when its night and they ALSO are standing on hiveweb, it would be fine.
Ill try to see if i can trigger that.

- Jesus Christ! - I clearly stated at the end of my post that it's up to you if you'd want to apply any of my suggestions, and if so, to the units or unit groups YOU think would be wise! ; So it's okay for a predator to become invizible at ANY given time,be it night or day (as long as it has enough mana) , but Aliens don't have the luxury of being cloaked (though they're motionless and at night) even in specific conditions ? ...wow...don't know what to say to that...

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The problem with these abilities is, they just sound nice, while in real life, they are just more damage.Maybe with a bit extra animation, but else, its nothing new.
But....with that said, i'd like headbite, extra damage when attacking from behind.
Yeah, that would be nice, but which unit?It's always hard to figure out.Maybe drone, runners, praetorians and predaliens.
Warriors have aoe and do also inflicht aoe acid damage when they die, would'nt fit.
Also, it sounds a bit like hero abilities, and im considering to add heroes at some point, but only if it ever should feel balanced, since balancing with heroes also is so much harder.

- ...Why aren't you keeping an open mind ? ... Pred-aliens have the upgradable ability to regenerate half of the damage they deal, this costs 750 gold if I'm not mistaken... why would my idea be "just more damage" ? '_' ... making a unit or units more versatile isn't in any way a bad idea. Think of it this way : make the ability COST, as an upgrade for one aline-type or more. Want an ability? BUY IT! This would keep the game balanced and have a higher-replay value. What do you think ?

~

Hmm yeah, the original game actually had that.Predators had something similar with heat detection and units that got attacked by some aliens had spores along with them for a while, showing where the were...i might add this.

- Good to hear! Let's see how it turns out! ^ ^

~

try version 1.52-1.59 on epicwar, these versions actually had exactly what you want.
But the big problem with those type of files were, that it was global.Always.You cant change it and make it local, i looked through forums for long.
Also sometimes in some versions, they kept on to stop working sometimes.
Right now, i have only 3 sounds, which a global.Rebirth of a new queen, building a hivetunnel and when selfdestruct activates.But the rest of sounds, i just couldnt let them be global, it was hardcore annoying, everyone appreciated them gone.

- I have to agree, most people would be pissed to hear some sounds loop over and over again... but I didn't say add 100 custom unit sounds or anything. Hell, I'd love to know when there's any action going on, and an alien scream or a predator growl would be a great sound that there's something happening on the map! - gets my blood "pumped up"
If I'm not being convincing enough and you think custom sounds when attacking are a bit too much... a little moan, or something when a unit dies? (It's strange how people aren't annoyed when zergs and marines get slaughtered and every individual unit screams its lungs out in Starcraft, but people are so sensitive in W3)

~ Well... I guess that's it...waiting for your reply.

 

[Bratcipheo]

Well, ill look into better animations for the blazer and plasma.

It's either a language barrier, or I'm a bit slow tonight, since I don't really understand the quote above. Eventually explain it to me a little clearer via a P.M. , would you? Thanks.

Heck, i didnt even understand so well myself after reading it again.
It's just overpowered, thrust me.

Why do you always miss the big picture ?! T_T - I'm not an ability junky, but I like the practicality of choosing if I want my facehuggers to become ordinary drones, pred-aliens, etc. - Without this, out of a whole control of facehuggers, I'd probably be left with 4, maybe 5 to morph in soldiers or anything else, just by walking through a creep-filled field. But yeah, maybe this isn't necessary.

Then you play aliens wrong.Don't think in the term: that you're nearly filled up with supply, which is why you'd rather have predaliens, than some extra drones.
You have to get all the corpses, no matter what, you should never run out of facehuggers.Drones and Runners, never really wins you the battle for real, but they damage and give you income.Just send them to the enemy without your main army, they may kill or damage something, and when they die they produce many points, your biggest income actually.You can "store" comatose units on hiveground now, i always get the triple chestburster split and use it as income. For frequent attacks, because their life doesnt matter.

- Jesus Christ! - I clearly stated at the end of my post that it's up to you if you'd want to apply any of my suggestions, and if so, to the units or unit groups YOU think would be wise! ; So it's okay for a predator to become invizible at ANY given time,be it night or day (as long as it has enough mana) , but Aliens don't have the luxury of being cloaked (though they're motionless and at night) even in specific conditions ? ...wow...don't know what to say to that...

They can become invisible, because they're balanced towards that.Without it, they'd be weaker.The reason why the same ability for aliens would be overpowered is this:
Predators have a fair amount of strong ranged units, and marines only have ranged.Aliens are trying to get close to their targets, if marines wouldnt have baricades they woudlnt stand a chance against aliens in most fights.But invisibility for aliens would mean that they could come into close range and attack from there immediatly.Runners and warriors deal acid damage on death, something which marines often dont feel because a good portion of these aliens allready die before they get close to their targets.
If aliens were invisible on hiveweb, players would fear hiveweb more aswell as alien players using it more.That is what i want.

Why aren't you keeping an open mind ? ... Pred-aliens have the upgradable ability to regenerate half of the damage they deal, this costs 750 gold if I'm not mistaken... why would my idea be "just more damage" ? '_' ... making a unit or units more versatile isn't in any way a bad idea. Think of it this way : make the ability COST, as an upgrade for one aline-type or more. Want an ability? BUY IT! This would keep the game balanced and have a higher-replay value. What do you think ?

Because it sounds flashy, but just is upgradeable damage.Like there allready is.I admit that headbite and tail attack would be good names for upgradable damage.

I have to agree, most people would be pissed to hear some sounds loop over and over again... but I didn't say add 100 custom unit sounds or anything. Hell, I'd love to know when there's any action going on, and an alien scream or a predator growl would be a great sound that there's something happening on the map! - gets my blood "pumped up"

The problem didn't arise when people fought, but when they fought with neutral creeps etc.You knew what your enemy did and it became confusing.

 

[Roy1589]

Yes, thats why you choose the race before the game starts, while you still are in the "lobby".

We didn't have that option...

 

[warblazer]

I noticed a while back that you said you might have heros if you get the map balanced enough, i was thinking maybe the heros could be like a specialized unit, like an alien queen could become a pred-queen? giving increased health, 25% lifesteal and the ability to get more health through fighting (like the predaliens in the game? and would it be possible or OP to make that for the normal predaliens, i thought that was an important part of them)

 

[Zoppojr.]

Good heroes would be:
Clan Leader:
A bit like the predators of the movies.
He is well equipped and knows his weapons.
He should be agility type and should have skills like plasma shot,disc throw,cloak (who thought about that?),self destruct or plasma rocket barrage should be ultimates.
He would be a good agility Hero.

The Commando:
A well trained Marine equipped for every possible situation.
He is a pretty tough guy and fast enough to scout for the army.
He should have skills like shoot rocket launcher,grenade,use minigun (searing arrow spell),orbital strike (ulti)
the grenade should be AoE the rocket launcher not

can't think of a good hero for aliens right now >.>
maybe something like a gene modified experiment
but i think this game could be moar fun without heroes they would ruin it abit espicially because predators are alrdy much micro and aliens are moar macro than watch out for your units
it would make the game less noob friendly

oh and I noticed a bug at 1.69 (as far as i know not changed yet) the upgraded marine flamethrowers (maybe also unupgraded) are perfect teamkillers because the AoE damage hurts allys

 

[Bratcipheo]

Yeah, i had the idea to make heroes, they would be like this:

2 type of heroes for each race, a defensive and an offensive.

Predators:
Wolf.
Close range:Shuriken, aoe.Normal damage is also aoe.His ulti would be an avatar.+cloak.
Scar.
Ranged:Spear, singletarget pushback, netgun with damage, invisible + extra speed.

Marines:
Offensive:
Aoe rockets, Dmg aura, fast movement speed, 2x times attackspeed ultimate.
Defensive:
Group heal, armor aura, slow movementspeed, maybe something with traps.bombs.

Alien.
Defensive:
Young predqueen.
Lays eggs in killed units, creating aliens on the battlefield.Aoe dmg, it also gets stronger per kill.

Offensive:
Nethead.
Invisibility with movement, huge backstab. Critical and miss chance. Acid spit slow.Maybe jump?

Those were my ideas.
Also, i'd like only 1 hero per fight, and not both.Your hero should represent your playstyle.

 

[Zoppojr.]

I think the young predqueen is not rly defensive as it also supports a very offensive gameplay

 

[Bratcipheo]

I think the young predqueen is not rly defensive as it also supports a very offensive gameplay

Yeah i know what you mean, lets say it'll become the strength surviving hero, while nethead is the agility hero that is good for kills.

 

[Zoppojr.]

Oh i got good names for the human heroes:
Dutch for the offensive hero
Ripley for the defensive one

classic names for classic heroes

Oh and you should make ATMOs have 100000 hp and you have to reduce them to 99% of their max HP to conquer them.
They should be undestructable.Or make them atleast respawn if they die

Oh guys and if you want i can host some games of AvP Extinction for you want to train for the tournament and it's hard/bad to play with ppl which dunno the map just PM me
I play at Northrend
Nickname:
Zoppojr.


pretty IMPORTANT BUG: dead aliens are still under player control which means (for predators) no trophy if you made your army using attack move because your soldiers kill the already dead bodys lol

Edit: Ranged Drones should gain a slight nerf because they got the same fighting stats as melee drones but they got the first strike bonus and they are much better at aiming single targets whats very annoying for predators ;....;

 

[Dynamiczx]

My first post and i really want to review this map
in 1 word:AWESOME
esspecially for AvP fans like myself,the Alien lifecycle and the predator 1 is scripted very well
And now with the gameplay,well i saw no bugs with it,only minor ones,but it is a map with very great gameplay
Well i admit that at the first time you need to read the help (f11) but after 1 or 2 plays,this map can be really enjoyable
And again,you saved me from buying a PS 2

And nethead?you mean Gridalien?sorry but that's how i heard of him,its that alien from AVP1 wich was netted by a pred but eventually escaped and killed it but with the net mark on its head right?

 

[Zoppojr.]

Oh i also noticed that alien holes spawn the troops even if the hole got killed (bug?) pretty annoying because you can't stop the attack and they can easily base rush you


(duh double post >.<)

 

[Bratcipheo]

Im not sure about that bug actually, since i have seen it myself, yes, but it stopped after 5-10 sec. im not sure how it looked with your bug?

 

[Zoppojr.]

it usually was a mob spawning at the summoned hole after that here came nothing anymore.
And pls nerf the ranged drones and do something about the dead alien bug i lose much money because of that >.<
You don't know how much anger you gain if you killed the dead body of that alien queen which would grant you 5000 gold ;....;

 

[Bratcipheo]

Range drones get a slight nerf, but wont do it to much ,since predators do get some buffs in the next update.Ill see if i can fix the dead alien bug, by making the money available by just killing them.

 

[Zoppojr.]

okay great
but find a way to make ATMOs unkillable because for me it's a great tactic versus marines to decrease their income by killing their main ATMOs and their G.ATMO lol
As i said maybe grant them 100000 HP and make them change their user by losing 1000 HP (1%)