Armageddon AoS v4.04

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18:01, 8th Sep 2011
Vengeancekael:
Status: Approved

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[Dogzo]

yay ,first post , anyways gonna test it and give feed back

if you want your rate to be better, use these clicky

 

[Dogzo]

lich king -.- mini feed back
i liked
good names/models for the heros.
gameplay is fun

somthings wrong
the terrain is to small at the middle, creeps can block your way
make the siege mashine slow, or attack units, because while im fighting with the felguards , the siege mashine is just tanking to the tower.
make 1 archer like in dota, since this is 100% dota.
;(
spells, since i only got to play this with the battle priest and this is a mini guide im still saying, the spells are blizzard made ( for the battle priest)
where are these honor points??? you mean wood?

3/5

 

[Fenrok]

Thanks for the feedback
I'll definitly look into the it!
Unfortunatly most of the spells are Blizzard made since i'm not so good with Jass. As for the "honor points" i am refering to wood

 

[Dogzo]

Thanks for the feedback
I'll definitly look into the it!
Unfortunatly most of the spells are Blizzard made since i'm not so good with Jass. As for the "honor points" i am refering to wood

well, me too, jass is not my business, but see , maps like these shud have custom abilitys. and you shud then say wood not honor points, because this was a lucky guess, or i can help you change it. post a visitor message if your interested.

goodluck

 

[Fenrok]

I have figured the Wood/honor thing out
btw, when you say add archers, do you mean Creeps?

 

[Dogzo]

I have figured the Wood/honor thing out
btw, when you say add archers, do you mean Creeps?

at dota you see 3 treants/ghouls and 1 priest/necromaner. im talking about the priest/necromaner

 

[kevlamin]

Thanks for the feedback
I'll definitly look into the it!
Unfortunatly most of the spells are Blizzard made since i'm not so good with Jass. As for the "honor points" i am refering to wood

Custom spells don't have to be JASS its possible to make very complex spells etc in GUI see here for a good GUI spell tutorial

Edit: and besides theres heaps of premade spells in the spell section of the hive =D

 

[Fenrok]

Thanks, that GUI spell tutorial looks helpful
Iøm aware of the spell section but i haven't really tried to import them yet

 

[light bolt30]

It'd be better if the skills weren't normal Wc3 one's as they will just make the map quality poor. You should make the skills more custom and unique before you upload your next versions. Also Dogzo don't double post, please merge your posts together.

 

[Fenrok]

There, i finally managed to add some simple trigger spells

 

[Magnet199]

map seems interesting, testing (well give gameplay feedback only) *single player

EDIT: ok i tested the map, here is what i got:

The Bad Stuff:
- first of all, the shops are too far, i thought there was no shops -_-
- then comes the towers, they are TOO close and have 700 range.....seriously -_-
- for tower hard to destroy, 100 gold isnt enough imo :S
- range creeps have very similer attack damage as the melee, but low hp, so whats their point :S
- the TP (town portal) its only to teleport to the main building to win/lose game.....i thought i could go to towers -_- (no point of them then)
- murlocs who are standing near rivers are annoying
- ok, you attack enemy base, you reach them, ahaaaa i see i can buy their units , i buy....buy again.....i lost my money for nothing, so how about removing "all" share unit buy :S
- items are pointless -_- (required recipes)
- if i can buy carts, that will be great, i could spam them right? (easy 100 gold (^^))
- the hero revive, requires gold?!?!?!?! what if im broke i have to wait 30 sec to get the gold :S + its a 20-30 sec revive or something like that
- i can attack the barracks without breaking the third tower :S
- the mid-lane is so tight -_- hard for creeps to move including me

The Good Stuff:
- the idea is good
- the spells are new and unique although they are not all made by advanced triggering
- the honor items are not bad
- nice models for heroes

Suggestions:
- useful items
- more heroes
- make mid-lane bigger
- and other stuff on your mind

Map is not bad, and not good,
Rate: 3/5
Rep: 1+ (you deserve it )
Vote: -

Keep up the good work, you never know this map can be better

 

[Fenrok]

Thanks for the feedback
I'll see what i can do about the things you point out

Btw: The shops are place so far away so that the enemy can't purchase items in your base. I placed a region that blocks players from the other faction.

 

[Magnet199]

^ i see, or you could make like dota, move the fountain close to the shops and give it damage, and also make when you choose a hero spawn there

 

[Fenrok]

I'll definitly make heroes summon closer to the shops
You suggested i remove "share unit shop." Where do i do this? Object editor or trigger?

 

[Magnet199]

I'll definitly make heroes summon closer to the shops
You suggested i remove "share unit shop." Where do i do this? Object editor or trigger?

object editor, there is for the barracks a unit share buy something like that, try to make it only for your team, and if you still dont know how to do it, send me a message to give you full info how to do it

 

[Orcnet]

Map Review

"Armageddon" - An AoS map style that depicts the vicious Burning Legion on their rampaging conquest to the world of Azeroth. this map was made by Fenrok.

Map Review

Armageddon v2.3

Rating System

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	5/5	91-100	A

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	4/5	81-90%	B

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	3/5	75-80%	C

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	2/5	70-74%	D

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	1/5	50-69%	F

General:

Gameplay-[5/5]
Note: Were I pronounce your game challenging or a waste of time.

Playability-[5/5]
Note: This part tells me if the game is rather fun and can be played again and again.

Terrain-[5/5]
Note: Were I tell your game's environmental display is either great or terrible.

Managing-[5/5]
Note: This is were I explain the output or outcome quality of the game.

Bug/s
Note: No score, just to tell your map has bugs on it or simply bug-free.


About My Reputations:

My complements for the Maker/s of the map's game.

Were I explain your map needs to get fix or make an improvement of your work.

Overview

Gameplay

The Game went well, but I expect something better, the game is too quick in my occasion, you should atleast add more elements for your game to outmatch every AoS maps, including DotA.

Playability

I played it and what I found out that its great, which means your game can be played many times, keep it up Pal!

Terrain

You got guts on making terrains, it went well, and it looks good, everything is fine until I realize something, your map lacks space! the clash lanes are too small, its hard to push and defend because the lands are too scarce, same way with the creep camps, exit routes, and more, you can spot in and I hope you can fix it.

Managing

Likewise to my observations, you need some serious work for your map, lets start with the items, there too basic and expensive at the same time, worse of it, their so random! I mean the boots of speed is just g150? while the gauntlets of strength exceeds at g500? balance your work dude because its too ridiculous, now for the creep camps, there few, they don't respawn, and the annoying part, there so strong! please make a better one dude, the heroes are good, just keep adding more.

Bug/s

No bugs, but I see a bug that says "More Work!".

Total Score

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	11/20	77%	C

On the conclusions, you passed! but I don't expect that your map ended well, you only need to work more for everyone to like your game, goodluck!.

happy map-making!

 

[Fenrok]

@Orcnet: Thanks for the suggestions i'll see what i can do about the lanes being to tight.
I realized the items are a bit too expensive and maybe a bit random. I've reduced the gold cost on some of the items in the latest version. But i will keep working on them

 

[Fenrok]

There i totally remade the item system. I think the items are balanced now

 

[Mumbis]

Trigger review!

First of all, you shouldn't use wait actions!
I don't know why, but everyone says you shouldn't so.. well, just avoid them x)

Example

• Music List
  • Events
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Sound - Set the music list to DarkAgents <gen>, starting with song 1
    • Wait 65.00 seconds
    • Trigger - Run Music List <gen> (ignoring conditions)

2nd, your map leaks in points
Example and how to fix it:

Example

• Alliance Revival
  • Events
    • Unit - A unit Finishes reviving
  • Conditions
    • (Race of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Human
  • Actions
    • Selection - Select (Triggering unit) for (Owner of (Triggering unit))
    • Unit - Move (Triggering unit) instantly to (Center of AllianceStartZone <gen>)
    • Camera - Pan camera for (Owner of (Reviving Hero)) to (Center of AllianceStartZone <gen>) over 0.00 seconds

This trigger above leaks!

Here is how you fix it:

• Alliance Revival
  • Events
    • Unit - A unit Finishes reviving
  • Conditions
    • (Race of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Human
  • Actions
    • Set Temp_Point = (Center of AllianceStartZone <gen>)
    • Selection - Select (Triggering unit) for (Owner of (Triggering unit))
    • Unit - Move (Triggering unit) instantly to Temp_Point
    • Camera - Pan camera for (Owner of (Reviving Hero)) to Temp_Point over 0.00 seconds
    • Custom script: call RemoveLocation (udg_Temp_Point)

And it's leakless!

All your triggers leaks with points, and unit groups.
Which is the 2 most commonly used actions, therefore the most important ones to fix.

I'll just end with saying Follow this guide I found to help you get rid of all the leaks, it is really awesome, i've looked thru it.

Tell me when the leaks are fixed and i'll rate it and vote for approval.
Untill then, good luck with your triggering!

EDIT:
Wow, found a biggi

Leak

• Spawn Creeps
  • Events
    • Time - Every 50.00 seconds of game time
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Unit - Create 3 Footman for Player 11 (Dark Green) at (Center of MortalSouthSpawn <gen>) facing Default building facing degrees
    • Unit - Create 3 Felguard for Player 12 (Brown) at (Center of LegionSouthSpawn <gen>) facing Default building facing degrees
    • Unit - Create 3 Footman for Player 11 (Dark Green) at (Center of MortalNorthSpawn <gen>) facing Default building facing degrees
    • Unit - Create 3 Felguard for Player 12 (Brown) at (Center of LegionSpawnNorth <gen>) facing Default building facing degrees
    • Wait 1.50 seconds
    • Unit - Create 1 Lesser Voidwalker for Player 12 (Brown) at (Center of LegionSpawnNorth <gen>) facing Default building facing degrees
    • Unit - Create 1 Lesser Voidwalker for Player 12 (Brown) at (Center of LegionSouthSpawn <gen>) facing Default building facing degrees
    • Unit - Create 1 Archer for Player 11 (Dark Green) at (Center of MortalNorthSpawn <gen>) facing Default building facing degrees
    • Unit - Create 1 Archer for Player 11 (Dark Green) at (Center of MortalSouthSpawn <gen>) facing Default building facing degrees
    • Wait 0.50 seconds
    • Unit - Create 3 Footman for Player 11 (Dark Green) at (Center of MortalCenterSpawn <gen>) facing Default building facing degrees
    • Unit - Create 3 Felguard for Player 12 (Brown) at (Center of LegionCenterSpawn <gen>) facing Default building facing degrees
    • Wait 1.50 seconds
    • Unit - Create 1 Archer for Player 11 (Dark Green) at (Center of MortalCenterSpawn <gen>) facing Default building facing degrees
    • Unit - Create 1 Lesser Voidwalker for Player 12 (Brown) at (Center of LegionCenterSpawn <gen>) facing Default building facing degrees

This trigger creates 12 leaks every 50th sec ;o

I'll tell you why you should fix leaks above all this, since I got a little bit frustrated with all the triggers and not even a "Temp_X" variable xD
If you just got 1 leak, it won't be noticable at all, but the thing is that the leak stays in the map untill it's done and played.
So, if you got triggers like the above one, whom creates 12 leaks every now and then, they will add up on eachother,
Creating either alot of lagg or/and players to DC, which ofc is bad for the playing experience.
(Please, correct me if i'm wrong)

Also, Here is an easy custom script to remove triggers which only runs ONCE.

• Custom script: call DestroyTrigger( GetTriggeringTrigger() )

OBS; DO NOT use it on triggers which are supposed to run more than once!
This one will destroy the trigger, saving memory when you play your map, making it run smother

Hope i've been to any help to you!
+rep if I'm not totaly off ^^

EDIT:
Also, please do floating texts like this:

• Alliance Honor
  • Events
    • Unit - A unit Dies
  • Conditions
    • ((Triggering unit) is A Hero) Equal to True
    • ((Owner of (Killing unit)) controller) Equal to User
    • (Race of (Killing unit)) Equal to Human
  • Actions
    • Player - Add 1 to (Owner of (Killing unit)) Current lumber
    • Floating Text - Create floating text that reads +1 Honor above (Killing unit) with Z offset 0.00, using font size 10.00, color (0.00%, 0.00%, 100.00%), and 0.00% transparency
    • Floating Text - Set the velocity of (Last created floating text) to 64.00 towards 90.00 degrees
    • Floating Text - Change (Last created floating text): Disable permanence
    • Floating Text - Change the lifespan of (Last created floating text) to 2.00 seconds

This will make the text float upwards from the point it's created and it will automatically be destroyed after 2 seconds.
If you use wait action and just destroy it like you do now, it could bug and the text may stay on its spot for the rest of the game.
That can't happen if you do like i've done above!

 

[Fenrok]

Thanks for making the effort to check for leaks
I had no idea there were so many leaks. I don't fully understand leaks, so i've been hoping someone would check for leaks. but i'll get right on fixing those

 

[Mumbis]

Not that I wanna sound like a jackass or anything, but all your triggers leaks ;o
Anyways, it's not to hard to fix
Just check how i've done it and try n fix it ^^
If you just absolutely can't fix it somehow, i'll gladly help you out when I got time for it

/Mumbis

 

[Fenrok]

I've fixed most of the leaks if not all
Could you rate the map Mumbis?

 

[Mumbis]

Will do a check in your triggers to see if I find any leaks, If I don't find any i'll rate it 5/5

Found leaks

Leaks

• Initialization
  • Events
    • Map initialization
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Melee Game - Use melee time of day (for all players)
    • Player - Set name of Player 11 (Dark Green) to The Alliance
    • Player - Set name of Player 12 (Brown) to The Legion
    • Set BarracksNorth = Barracks 0061 <gen>
    • Set BarracksCenter = Barracks 0050 <gen>
    • Set BarracksSouth = Barracks 0048 <gen>
    • Set LegionNorthBarrack = Barracks 0062 <gen>
    • Set LegionCenterBarrack = Barracks 0051 <gen>
    • Set LegionSouthBarrack = Barracks 0063 <gen>
    • Trigger - Run Players <gen> (ignoring conditions)
    • Trigger - Run Music List <gen> (ignoring conditions)
    • Wait 2.00 seconds
    • Sound - Play Hint <gen>
    • Game - Display to (All players) for 10.00 seconds the text: |cff32cd32HINT|r - ...
    • Wait 13.00 seconds
    • Wait 5.00 seconds
    • Sound - Play Hint <gen>
    • Game - Display to (All players) for 10.00 seconds the text: |cff32cd32HINT|r - ...
    • Wait 10.00 seconds
    • Sound - Play Hint <gen>
    • Game - Display to (All players) for 10.00 seconds the text: |cff32cd32HINT|r - ...
    • Cinematic - Ping minimap for Alliance at (Position of Barracks 0061 <gen>) for 5.00 seconds
    • Cinematic - Ping minimap for Alliance at (Position of Barracks 0050 <gen>) for 5.00 seconds
    • Cinematic - Ping minimap for Alliance at (Position of Barracks 0048 <gen>) for 5.00 seconds
    • Cinematic - Ping minimap for Legion at (Position of Barracks 0062 <gen>) for 5.00 seconds
    • Cinematic - Ping minimap for Legion at (Position of Barracks 0051 <gen>) for 5.00 seconds
    • Cinematic - Ping minimap for Legion at (Position of Barracks 0063 <gen>) for 5.00 seconds
    • Wait 30.00 seconds
    • Sound - Play Hint <gen>
    • Game - Display to (All players) for 10.00 seconds the text: |cff32cd32HINT|r - ...
    • Wait 10.00 seconds
    • Trigger - Turn off AllianceRepickCommand <gen>
    • Trigger - Turn off LegionRepickCommand <gen>

This trigger leaks!
Following things:

• Cinematic - Ping minimap for Alliance at (Position of Barracks 0061 <gen>) for 5.00 seconds
• Cinematic - Ping minimap for Alliance at (Position of Barracks 0050 <gen>) for 5.00 seconds
• Cinematic - Ping minimap for Alliance at (Position of Barracks 0048 <gen>) for 5.00 seconds
• Cinematic - Ping minimap for Legion at (Position of Barracks 0062 <gen>) for 5.00 seconds
• Cinematic - Ping minimap for Legion at (Position of Barracks 0051 <gen>) for 5.00 seconds
• Cinematic - Ping minimap for Legion at (Position of Barracks 0063 <gen>) for 5.00 seconds

Point leaks.
Also, put this at the end of all triggers which starts with the Map initialization event, since they'll only run once:

• Custom script: call DestroyTrigger( GetTriggeringTrigger() )

To remove point leaks, do like this:

• Your Point Leaks
  • Events
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Set Temp_Point = (Position of Barracks 0061 <gen>)
    • Cinematic - Ping minimap for Alliance at Temp_Point for 5.00 seconds
    • Custom script: call RemoveLocation (udg_Temp_Point)

Also, do NOT use Temp_Player or anything, because it will fuck up your shown messages most of the time..
Can be really annoying

Hope this helped!

 

[Fenrok]

Okay, all those leaks you mentioned above are now fixed

 

[Mumbis]

Will check! Brb! ^^

EDIT:
Found leaks! xD
Just 2 of them though X)

These still leak

AllianceHero

• AllianceHero
  • Events
    • Unit - Defenders of Azeroth 0013 <gen> Sells a unit
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Unit - Move (Sold unit) instantly to (Center of AllianceStartZone <gen>)
    • Camera - Pan camera for (Owner of (Sold unit)) to (Position of (Sold unit)) over 0.00 seconds
    • Selection - Select (Sold unit) for (Owner of (Sold unit))

Point leak

LegionHero

• LegionHero
  • Events
    • Unit - Lords of the Legion 0024 <gen> Sells a unit
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Unit - Move (Sold unit) instantly to (Center of LegionStartZone <gen>)
    • Camera - Pan camera for (Owner of (Sold unit)) to (Position of (Sold unit)) over 0.00 seconds
    • Selection - Select (Sold unit) for (Owner of (Sold unit))

Point Leak

Also, You've forgotten the unit group leaks!!! ><

Example:

Unit Group Leak

• AllianceRepickCommand
  • Events
    • Player - Player 1 (Red) types a chat message containing -repick as An exact match
    • Player - Player 2 (Blue) types a chat message containing -repick as An exact match
    • Player - Player 3 (Teal) types a chat message containing -repick as An exact match
    • Player - Player 4 (Purple) types a chat message containing -repick as An exact match
    • Player - Player 5 (Yellow) types a chat message containing -repick as An exact match
  • Conditions
    • (Number of units in (Units owned by (Triggering player) matching (((Matching unit) is A Hero) Equal to True))) Equal to 1
  • Actions
    • Player - Add 50 to (Triggering player) Current gold
    • Unit Group - Pick every unit in (Units owned by (Triggering player) matching (((Matching unit) is A Hero) Equal to True)) and do (Actions)
      • Loop - Actions
        • Unit - Remove (Picked unit) from the game
        • Player Group - Pick every player in (All players) and do (Actions)
          • Loop - Actions
            • Player - Make (Unit-type of (Picked unit)) Available for training/construction by (Picked player)
    • Camera - Pan camera for (Triggering player) to (Position of Defenders of Azeroth 0013 <gen>) over 0.00 seconds
    • Selection - Select Defenders of Azeroth 0013 <gen> for (Triggering player)

Simply set a "Temp_Group" and then remove it, just like you do with the points, but instead you write:

• call DestroyGroup (udg_Temp_Group)

When you wanna remove it!

So you still got some leaks ^^ Just checked through it fast, but it's Waaay better than the last time I checked
Good job so far, keep it up!

 

[Fenrok]

I'll get right on fixing those
I will mention you in the quest log/credits in the next version, for all the help with the leaks

 

[Mumbis]

@Fenrok
Goodi!
And thanks ^^
Will give you a 5/5 rating as soon as you get this leakless

 

[Railto]

Balance the game we played 3 vs 2 and my team of 3 got owned without chance of wining.
the lich has a massive heal and he makes himself and his allies invulnerable for 15secs i believe. when the infernal uses his ult to blink he heals himself to 100% hp. also add more items.

 

[Fenrok]

@Railto
Fixed all those imbalances you mentioned

 

[Binsu]

I was addicted to Dota and when I played your map, I know it has the possibilities to become a good AoS map. No bugs seen but I want this map to be improved more. Here are some suggestions that you might wanna do to your map:

-The shops are close to each other and that In my first time playing on it, I cant seem to distinguish the recipe shops from the item shops. Maybe, try to make a row for the item shops and another for the recipes to make them in order.

-Try to add some Game Commands like in DoTA. Game Command adds more attraction on your map, I promise!

-When the hero dies, my food returns to 0 and so I can choose another hero. Try to make the list of heroes dissapear when the players chose their hero to avoid multi picking of hero.

-Add more items and maybe heroes! Your items are quite interesting so dont forget to add more and so your heroes too.

-Add AI to the game. A good AoS such as this should have an AI!

That's all. I have suggested you some ideas that you might wanna implement in your game but please dont make the player multi pick heroes as I say on the suggestions and also implement AI on this game. I know AI is quite hard to make by yourself but its worth it, get help from others. Here is a +REP for the great effort that has been put on this map.

 

[Fenrok]

#Hell Master: Thanks for the feed back
I'll make most if not all of these changes. As for the food bug can't belive i haven't seen that before and i'll definitly fix it

I have no plans for adding AI at this moment but maybe later if i get better with triggers

 

[Binsu]

#Hell Master: Thanks for the feed back
I'll make most if not all of these changes. As for the food bug can't belive i haven't seen that before and i'll definitly fix it

I have no plans for adding AI at this moment but maybe later if i get better with triggers

Yes, get better with triggers and Ill be waiting for your AI but you can get help from the members here.... Oh and thanks for the REP too, Im just being specific so you can know what to do to your map.

 

[Ognjen19]

Any criticism is most welcome

Ok,from my point of view you need to change :
-Terrain(So unreal)
-Texture Placing
- Building and Tree placing
- Hero Taverns locations + CoP picker (Place them in the middle of the map,after picks are finished triger their destruction).
- Tower Atack speed (-400 HP in 4 sec -_-)
What you can add :
- Schrubes,rocks......
- More textures (tiles)
- More Shops
And more buildings OFC .
P.S: Found no bugs , whtch is a good thing .
2,9/5 my rate !

 

[Fenrok]

There, fixed the problem with the dead heroes More of your suggestions will be implemented when i have time

Also thanks to Ognjen19 for good advice and i will work on it when i get the time

 

[Ognjen19]

Hope we will see terrain rework on the next release .
I am a big AoS , i can't stand still or be silent when someone is using DOTA parole :
"Terrain is not the most important thing,gameplay is",for me it is Absolutley Rubish.
Terrain + Fun Gameplay - Fascinanting AOS .
Terrain takes time so be patient.
All the best and Good Luck !

 

[-Manuel-]

Review Armageddon AoS

General:
Really nice map, gives the classic experience of an AoS and most new features.
Summoning system: This brings a new capabilities in the game flow, its really nice adding new units to the lane
but this could be chaotic if more players are in the game, adding a little cooldown to important units like Red Dragon, Mountain Giant and Siege Engine would be nice to prevent spaming.
The towers can handle a bunch of enemies, but the heroes not.
The neutral bosses are good i like it. I notice that neutral units respawn separately, and dont together with all camp members, this is not a big deal but makes creeping easy.
Heroes:
Heroes are neat, simple and easy to understand some classic abilities and custom ones, i love the heroes that have abilities which interact with towers.
Items:
Standard items but his low-medium prices is nice. don't require to farm 10 min to get an item. Is nice edited and well organized.
Terrain:
I love the terrain, correct using of Raise technique, good use of tiles and doodads, the environment is not saturated and gives many open spaces to fight, the shape is the classic three lanes but nothing but the terrain design makes up for it.
Best Hero:
Tinker - Rattletrap
The best hero to this kind of map, offers support to his own base and makes tower defense more easy rather than other heroes.
Worst Hero:
Siege Golem - Protagoras
Oks in therms of design is simple and easy to understand but give him two passives, 1 active ability with medium-long cooldown and a out-themed ultimate, i dont like it.
Compared to other heroes this hero is a bit boring.

Overall, my rating 5/5.

Regards.​

 

[K.V.]

The map is really good, don't hesitate to give it a try if you're a fan of AOS maps. The most noticable thing that needs improvement is the balance/dmg output of some heroes.