Allow a hero to choose his abilities?

[Ramsey]

How can I make a system where you can choose a blank hero and then choose the blank spells you want from a selection?

Basically exactly like the game Custom Hero Arena.

I've searched everywhere and experimented myself but i cant figure out the right efficient way to do it.

How can i do it??? or is there already a thread about it? And especially with over 20 heroes and 80 abilities



thanks!

 

[Teelo]

Decide what system players will have for selecting their hero and abilities, then make triggers for the buttons that creates the hero and adds abilities to it when the button is pressed.

Alternatively create 20*80*4 combinations of all the heroes and abilities.

 

[Ramsey]

Decide what system players will have for selecting their hero and abilities, then make triggers for the buttons that creates the hero and adds abilities to it when the button is pressed.

Alternatively create 20*80*4 combinations of all the heroes and abilities.

so that's the only other way huh besides making my own system? To make it legit, i'd have to make a combination of about 4241823 heros.

What do you recommend is a good system then? For leveling up the abilities, seeing how many skill points you have, etc..

 

[Xonok]

Custom Castle Defense used a research-based trick where each ability on the actual hero does absolutely nothing.
Then when the research was done, one of the abilities was replaced with one of those on the hero(probably through engineering update, I'm not sure).

 

[Ramsey]

Custom Castle Defense used a research-based trick where each ability on the actual hero does absolutely nothing.
Then when the research was done, one of the abilities was replaced with one of those on the hero(probably through engineering update, I'm not sure).

what do you mean exactly?

 

[Paulus]

Here is a map where enginering upgrade is used for chosing abilities.

View attachment Simple Ability Leveling System.w3x

 

[Xonok]

Try the map that Paulus provided. If you still need help after that, I'll be glad to explain more thoroughly and maybe provide some map myself.

 

[Ramsey]

I see, thanks Paulus and Xonok but I'm trying to get it to be just like this map

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/maps-564/custom-hero-arena-1-6b-78989/

It's protected though and all the other Custom Hero games are too

 

[Dr Super Good]

Generally done using dummy learnable abilities for levelling (or items if you want a resource cost). Triggers then map these ability slots to real abilities that you gave to the hero with triggers. Remember to make all given abilities permanent so that morphs do not mess them up.

 

[Ramsey]

Generally done using dummy learnable abilities for levelling (or items if you want a resource cost). Triggers then map these ability slots to real abilities that you gave to the hero with triggers. Remember to make all given abilities permanent so that morphs do not mess them up.

What do you mean about the morphs part?

 

[Dr Super Good]

What do you mean about the morphs part?

Metomorphisis, Avatar (I think), Bear form and Crow form will remove all trigger added abilities on use unless you make the abilities permanent.

 

[edo494]

but what about the Ability Draft map made for wc3? You get 3 random heroes out of all melee heroes and you get to choose from absolutly gigantic pool of abilities, I dont think dude went and made 60000 different units just to cover all combinations, yet you learn them normally, and they dont seem to be dummies, because as it seemed, auras arent clickable etc...

So I wonder how that was made(sorry for kind of hijacking this thread, but it is technically the same question)

 

[Xonok]

I happen to have been the one that suggested this in the ability draft thread. The key was engineering upgrade.
Link

 

[edo494]

I really need to experiment with engineering upgrade, and just together with whole wc3 a bit more lol. But thats great, even tho quite complicated

 

[Tal'Rarity]

I see, thanks Paulus and Xonok but I'm trying to get it to be just like this map

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/maps-564/custom-hero-arena-1-6b-78989/

It's protected though and all the other Custom Hero games are too

That's what they had to do if they didn't know about the engineering glitch.

It's even easier to do it the way you requested though I couldn't open the map after a bit of trying however I can easily remake whatever I see.
It's not quite the exact same, it's actually better in terms of you needing to do less work then he did. I presumed you didn't want to have to do it the harder way which is hopefully correct. Hashtables makes data storing a lot easier especially for big systems like this. Sure I could of did more, but I figured to leave the main ability array an array for top speed since its the one used in a loop. Arrays are faster then Hashtables if you haven't guessed yet however the speed difference is the same as GUI VS JASS meaning not much of a difference depending on what it is.

 

[sentrywiz]

You basically want Assassins like system.
I made one from scratch, but its annoying.

You need dummy researches, X possible combinations of the spell for every hotkey and lot of triggers to detect when a unit researches an upgrade and if the unit has the ability or not.

 

[Ramsey]

That's what they had to do if they didn't know about the engineering glitch.

It's even easier to do it the way you requested though I couldn't open the map after a bit of trying however I can easily remake whatever I see.
It's not quite the exact same, it's actually better in terms of you needing to do less work then he did. I presumed you didn't want to have to do it the harder way which is hopefully correct. Hashtables makes data storing a lot easier especially for big systems like this. Sure I could of did more, but I figured to leave the main ability array an array for top speed since its the one used in a loop. Arrays are faster then Hashtables if you haven't guessed yet however the speed difference is the same as GUI VS JASS meaning not much of a difference depending on what it is.

hey thanks for the taking the time to do all that, i looked through it and I understand what you did and it's very clean I like it. I'm going to do the same thing but with arrays and no items since I like arrays better for some reason. And i guess im just going to stick with using attribute bonus as a dummy ability and when a hero levels up and presses hero abilities to upgrade the ability, it wont be the actual icon or description of the abilities he chose, it'll just be a sword for ability 1 (offenseive) shield for defensive etc.. The players can manage I guess
Thanks again

 

[Tal'Rarity]

I already made that for you. . . O-well good luck. =)

 

[Graveworm]

without having read all the answers, i say, i would use "dialogue buttons".
you let you hero have a "empty ability" to learn and if the player clicks it, a trigger starts:

hero skill is learned

skill equal to "empty skill"

actions
"start dialogue", let the first decision be something like "meele, ranged, magical, defensive" and then just go with sub-dialogues that open dependending on what is chosen. at the end of all, make "add skill to hero" depending on what is chosen, declared by a simple if/then/else (multi, with "else - do nothing"). although you could put this all into one trigger, i guess i'd split it basically up after the first decision, just to keep the overview.